The Catholic Church thread

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
bucky said:
This might be a topic for another thread, but how do those of you who are American nationalists and Catholic square your beliefs with the current state of your church in the US? I'm referring specifically to how the RCC pushes for open borders and mass immigration from Latin America and the rest of the third world. I attend mass with my Latina devout Catholic wife and even when it's the rare English mass (there are more in Spanish in our area now) no more than about 20% of those in attendance were born in the US. Last Memorial Day we sang "America the Beautiful" as the last hymn. The Asian couple behind us laughed audibly and stood up and left, as did most of the congregation who, again, were mostly foreigners.

At my wife's community celebrations of the Eucharist they go through the motions of having it mostly in English, but we could just switch into Spanish and almost everyone would be more comfortable. I imagine we will eventually switch into Spanish with interpreters for the few, aging heritage Americans who still show up. We get Mexican priests preaching about the need for "immigration reform" and I don't think they're talking about Trump's wall. On a larger scale, there are the current pope's statement about not building walls.

Is any of this a concern to those of you who are Catholic and dissident right and against mass immigration into the US?

I find Catholic churches tend to vary wildly in terms of congregation makeup. Even in places like the northeast and Midwest that traditionally are heavily Catholic there tend to be Irish churches, Italian churches, Polish churches, etc although it isn't as formally delineated as it is in the Orthodox church. Went to Mass this morning, second time we went to this church we found in our city, and it was about 90% white (mainly visibly Irish) with a scattering of black and Hispanic (and most of the latter were speaking English among themselves). We had gone to another Catholic church in our city and even the English language mass was 90+% Hispanic and African. When we went to the Spanish Mass at that church (I'm also engaged to a Latina) I was the only white guy there. Haven't been to the Spanish mass at the new church yet. But, the new one is in an upper-middle class, heavily white neighborhood and the other one is in an area with a huge immigrant community. So I think that's the main difference.

I'm torn on the refugee thing in the church. I do think church leaders in the west need to be more cognizant of the left's goals and realize that initiatives that may be in line with the church's mission could end up hurting it. That said, the church and its leaders have a responsibility to the faith before the country, so while I am an American nationalist I don't expect the Church to put that as its highest priority, although I think the best interests of the Church and the country are aligned far more often than not.

I also draw a huge distinction between helping immigrants who are already here and actively pushing to bring more over, which I don't see most Catholic leaders in the US doing (there are exceptions). The more pozzed Protestant churches are the worst offenders in that regard.
 

Mage

 
Banned
I think we need to distinguish two things:

a) Is Catholic Church (or orthodox or protestant) teaching the Truth in highest instance? - No!

b) Is Catholic (or orthodox, but not most protestant) Church good for your marriage and morals of society, or at least better then 99.9% of everything else you can hope to find in modern world? - Yes!

Now it's up for each man on his own how to combine tolerating a few lies to make almost the best traditional and Natural Law abiding life possible in modern times.

By all means lie to your priest and the good Catholic girls that you are a firm believer to all that mythology in order to build that traditional family and to be accepted in that Church. But if you come to this anonymous forum still claiming that you take all that historically debunked Catholic dogma fully serious then you deserve to be made fun of. If you cannot be honest here and talk about both pros and cons freely then where else can you do that?
 
Honestly, I might come across as Jordan Peterson-esque, but consider the following:

Is it only the Church and society at large that are sick? Or is it entire masses of individuals that are diseased as well? Does the former happen due to the decline of the latter ONLY?

I see great wisdom in most Catholic teachings, was brought up Catholic though in more of a nominal way in Portugal. Had an atheist phase and laterally have been pondering more about this issue.

However... Despite all that... Have I practiced masturbation, viewed pornography and had casual sex? Yes on all counts! I am reducing masturbation and want to completely eliminate porn (so far so good), but what about casual sex? If a hot girl is willing, would I rebuke her? HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Is this behaviour "evil" per se? I wouldn't say so. Is it against Catholic doctrine and somewhat degenerate? Absolutely.

The point here is not speaking from a position of supremacy. Depending on our beliefs, we often adjust them as we see fit in order not to feel inadequate with our actions. But deep down we know this is a sham. Christianity when approached seriously is NOT easy. It should NOT be easy.

Christ came to Earth to make us new Men, not good or nice people. I am generally a good person, kind and respectful and caring. Am I a "new Man", worthy of the mantle espoused by Christ? I am not. May I ever be? Perhaps.

And then, there is the "Is vs Ought", let us imagine someone with good advice for current times for young men, Coach Red Pill per example. Is most of his advice sound and resonates within many in a good way? Absolutely. Is it in line with the Church and the moral law of the Bible in most cases? Ha. Fat chance.

What shall we compromise on? Follow the advice of our times or lead a pious life in hopes of an afterlife?

Safe to say, I am confused about the state of the world and the signs of our times. And I have more questions than answers, but one thing I know.

How can I holler at the degradation of religious institutions when I myself cannot keep myself from not commiting acts that I KNOW to be in the wrong within my supposed faith?

I can't. Not in good faith.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Everyone gets to choose their level of participation in the Church and the support they offer it. They get to choose their parish to the extent they're willing to travel at any rate. They get to choose whether they allow their children to be in the company of a priest unaccompanied or whether they give money for the church or the priest during mass. You're not obligated to report to your nearest church, pay fifty bucks at the ticket booth and surrender your sons to father Gaylisp every Sunday.

You may feel disinclined to judge the wicked among the Church but perhaps you can think of being picky about who in particular you support and where you support them as "rewarding good" rather than "punishing evil".
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
Modernism is the enemy of the Catholic Church today, and all the world. Modernism has infiltrated the Catholic Church and society at large. It is not a coincidence that it was removed at the time of Vatican 2. I read that it was a HUGE thing for Pope Pius X to implement this Oath at the time, and an equally large move to remove it.

Pope Pius X described Modernism as the synthesis of all heresy. The Oath against modernism was instituted on 1 September 1910 by Pope Pius X in his motu proprio Sacrorum antistitum and rescinded on 17 July 1967 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith with the approval of Paul VI

THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM
To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.

I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:19), that is, from the visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that, therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated:

Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time.

Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time.

Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely.

Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our creator and lord.
Furthermore, with due reverence, I submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili,especially those concerning what is known as the history of dogmas.

I also reject the error of those who say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are irreconcilable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a well-educated Christian assumes a dual personality-that of a believer and at the same time of a historian, as if it were permissible for a historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting Sacred Scripture which, departing from the tradition of the Church, the analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm.

Furthermore, I reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority, and with the same liberty of judgment that is common in the investigation of all ordinary historical documents.

Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact-one to be put on a par with the ordinary facts of history-the fact, namely, that a group of men by their own labor, skill, and talent have continued through subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way.

I promise that I shall keep all these articles faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way deviating from them in teaching or in any way in word or in writing. Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .

For more information on the modernists, and Pope Pius Xs' insights into their evil see details below:
On the Doctrine of the Modernists - 1907
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
Mage said:
I was raised as a Catholic from birth and have participated in many Catholic activities, and organizations.

Not a Catholic by faith anymore, but I still have many Catholic people in my life and participate in some events.

I know the practical life of Catholicism inside and out.

1. Attend mass every Sunday AND on days of obligation.
2. Confession once a year
3. Receive communion once during Easter
4. Observe days of fasting
5. Support material needs of the church according to your ability


This is not accurate.

A Catholic is asked to make Confession and receive communion at least twice per year - around Christmas and Easter, that is. But this is the very low bar.

A real Catholic who takes his faith seriously will make confession monthly and receive communion every Sunday at mass,...
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You should be careful correcting a priest on Doctrine.

You are confusing a 'practicing' Catholic with a 'Devout' Catholic. These are the minimum requirements.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, each faithful of right discerning age is “bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.” (CCC 1457).

Also note: no one can take communion if they have committed a mortal Sin with confession since the previous Easter. Similar to confession, it is not required to receive communion at mass each time.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Mage said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
Mage and others are as confused as I used to be.

Why is a church responsible for stepping in and assuring the survival of your country or your peoples any more than a fireman is responsible for capturing criminals if the policeman declines to do so.

They are there for your salvation everlasting. If they started sending priests to the borders with machine guns then you lot would be the first to clutch your pearls and scream about the descent into a theocracy.

Nobody is saying that Catholic priests need to be protecting countries from immigration with machine guns, but they have to testify truth in all matters, even ones not concerning their Church. And when immigration is allowed on the levels of gradual occupation ,they should be able to call it that. If you claim to represent the Truth then you should say the truth in all matters.

The priests of Latin America should have the integrity to preach to their congregations, not to covet US riches, to work hard on their own land, to defeat their drug trafficking and Santa Muerte worshiping problems and to build a prosperous nation rivaling that of USA with their own work, prayer and ethics.

Leonard D Neubache said:
I suspect many of you hate organised and strict religions also for the same reason I used to. Suffice to say the willful spiritual self indulgence Jews have taught you to love about yourself is little different from how they teach thots to self regulate their spirituality by getting "live, love, pray" tattoos and doing yoga.

Keep on projecting Leonard.
True yoga is very demanding. It's a pity you have the idea that yoga is what tatooed thots do at fitness centers. I will not go off topic to debunk it in this thread. If you had integrity to research contrary opinion you would understand that a true yoga practitioner would be obliged to do observe all the same moral acts as prescribed in ten commandments and more. No lying, stealing, murdering, abortion, adultery e.t.c. Adding to that goes non-agressive vegetarianism and bodily training and ascetics, much more fasting then standard Christian. Also added in comes respect for Nature, Earth and not polluting. The one thing yogis are not supposed to do is sing songs to some Savior and expect him to do all the heavy work of saving your ass from consequences of your bad deeds in your place. Although there are Yoga based sects that do that too, but I do not recommend that.

Leonard D Neubache said:
No matter what kvetching you contrive, it is a fact that Orthodox still lead the way in morality for the East and Catholics in the West. Casuals bitching about the church sound to me like the fat neckbeard who refuses to go to the any gym because the Chad running the nearest one is a dick.

Duh. That is because Catholics and Orthodox have the largest numbers. No other spiritual group has the numbers to offer organized resistance to the secularist imposed degeneracy.


Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.

Being true to your avatar means deceiving your audience to achieve power and control. Pure satanism, and the worst, most evil form of spirituality.

Here is the truth about yoga from the horse's mouth:

Yoga means “union” and its origins are Satanic. The spiritual cannot exist without the physical and visa versa. What the enemy is teaching is not true yoga. Without desire and will, one is nothing. Yoga is a threat to the enemy as it endows practitioners with spiritual and physical power. Because it cannot be completely suppressed, the enemy works to control it with false teachings for those who practice, and for those who don’t, there are powerful subliminal messages to frighten the ignorant away.

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/False.html

This satanist website's position on yoga is exactly the same as Mage: yoga is great, but it's being misused and its popular form is diluted...


Yoga is one of the main trojan horses to pollute the West with new age luciferian doctrines, offering spiritual "enlightment" wrapped in a shiny package to fill the spiritual void in the West, along with drugs and mass media cultural programming.

https://www.naturalnews.com/049612_Vatican_exorcist_yoga_Harry_Potter.html

At its roots, yoga is said to have originated from the ancient worship of Hindu gods, with the various poses representing unique forms of paying homage to these entities. From this, other religions such as Catholicism and Christianity have concluded that the practice is out of sync with their own, and that it may result in demonic spirits entering a person's body.

Others contend that yoga practice is really more focused on advanced stretching moves and physical exercise, and that it can bring about healing and improved well-being such as improved core strength, better circulation and reduced stress. The intent of the person doing yoga, rather than yoga itself, in other words, is what defines the extent of how the practice influences a person's being and soul.

But Father Truqui sees yoga as being satanic, claiming that "it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter." And in order to deal with the consequences of this, his religion has had to bring on an additional six exorcists, bringing the total number to 12, just to deal with what he says is a 100% rise in the number of requests for exorcisms over the past 15 years.

"The ministry of performing exorcism is little known among priests," stated Father Truqui to The Independent. "It's like training to be a journalist without knowing how to do an interview."

At the same time, Father Amorth admits that the Roman Catholic Church's notoriety for all kinds of perverted sex scandals is also indicative of demonic activity -- he stated that it represents proof that "the devil is at work inside the Vatican."

"There's homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, IVF [in vitro fertilization] and a host of other things," added Monsignor Luigi Negri, the archbishop of Ferrara-Comacchio, about what he says is evidence of the existential evil in society. "There's the clamorous appearance of the negation of man as defined by the Bible."

Very good, intelligent and detailed testimnoy by a former yoga adept from Scotland, long but worth a read, here is the intro:

It is the purpose of this short testimony to show that yoga is a spiritual deception.

If you think that you can use yoga only for physical training and not be affected by its spiritual side, you are wrong. You are wrong if you believe the many websites and teachers in the West who declare that yoga is just a harmless physical exercise.

The Bible warns of such spiritual seduction: “"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"” (1 TIMOTHY 4:1).

Speaking from my own experience, I am convinced that yoga is one of the seducing doctrines God expressly warns about in the above scripture.

...

https://www.cai.org/testimonies/spiritual-deception-yoga
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
MrLemon said:
The Catholic Church is the most powerful, most insidious conspiracy in the modern world today.

The Catholic Church has existed for 2000 years so I am missing the 'modern conspiracy'.

MrLemon said:
At one point [[[they]]] controlled all of Europe with corruption and greed unparalleled in history. [[[They]]] have their tentacles everywhere.

The good old days. I'm not sure how this is corruption though. Babies being baptized, families going to Church, Beautiful architecture, rejection of usurious loans, faith in God.

MrLemon said:
Priest abuse of children is just one tiny hint of what's really going on. They used to be more conservative and now just being shown as part of the globohomo communist agenda.

- The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clearly anti communist. Fatima is an approved apparition from 1917 which specifically warns of communist threat.
- Prots love capitalism, loans, and usury. America is Rich because its a nice piece of real estate. Wealth doesn't indicate Godliness, you've got too much Judeo in your Christian.
- Priest abuse is real, but has been overblown by the (((Media)))
- Catholics never used to be conservatives, Conservatives used to be Catholic. Conservatives are scared to have kids and use contraception because of their budget, Catholicism prohibits contraception.


MrLemon said:
My ancestors, the English and Scandinavians, were the first to throw off the yolk of Cathlocism and point out it's descent into sin. Here in the USA Cathlocism has always been frowned upon by the Prostestant majority. Many nations, like Australia and Bolivia, are still trapped in bondage.

US Prots frown on Catholicsm, oh my, I didn't know we were so bad!


MrLemon said:
Most Catholics nonetheless are great people who love God.
Maybe you are Donn Lemon from CNN. Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae then call Catholicism cute.

Nah, do the Joel Osteen prayer and get saved right there on your couch at home. Who needs a day of obligation.

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People should go slander the Catholic Church on the protestant thread. Funny thing is, if there was one, Catholics wouldn't bother even going there, but you guys would keep lingering on here. Everybody wants to come home to the True Church.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
NoMoreTO said:
MrLemon said:
The Catholic Church is the most powerful, most insidious conspiracy in the modern world today.

The Catholic Church has existed for 2000 years so I am missing the 'modern conspiracy'.

MrLemon said:
At one point [[[they]]] controlled all of Europe with corruption and greed unparalleled in history. [[[They]]] have their tentacles everywhere.

The good old days. I'm not sure how this is corruption though. Babies being baptized, families going to Church, Beautiful architecture, rejection of usurious loans, faith in God.

MrLemon said:
Priest abuse of children is just one tiny hint of what's really going on. They used to be more conservative and now just being shown as part of the globohomo communist agenda.

- The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clearly anti communist. Fatima is an approved apparition from 1917 which specifically warns of communist threat.
- Prots love capitalism, loans, and usury. America is Rich because its a nice piece of real estate. Wealth doesn't indicate Godliness, you've got too much Judeo in your Christian.
- Priest abuse is real, but has been overblown by the (((Media)))
- Catholics never used to be conservatives, Conservatives used to be Catholic. Conservatives are scared to have kids and use contraception because of their budget, Catholicism prohibits contraception.


MrLemon said:
My ancestors, the English and Scandinavians, were the first to throw off the yolk of Cathlocism and point out it's descent into sin. Here in the USA Cathlocism has always been frowned upon by the Prostestant majority. Many nations, like Australia and Bolivia, are still trapped in bondage.

US Prots frown on Catholicsm, oh my, I didn't know we were so bad!


MrLemon said:
Most Catholics nonetheless are great people who love God.
Maybe you are Donn Lemon from CNN. Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologiae then call Catholicism cute.

Nah, do the Joel Osteen prayer and get saved right there on your couch at home. Who needs a day of obligation.

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People should go slander the Catholic Church on the protestant thread. Funny thing is, if there was one, Catholics wouldn't bother even going there, but you guys would keep lingering on here. Everybody wants to come home to the True Church.

Solid work +1
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Mr Lemon fell in love with what he perceives to be Jewish supremacism as it related to the modern American culture of worshiping "rich winners". As such he claims to have undertaken passage into becoming a Jew. The jury is still out on whether his slavish love of Jews is just boomer indoctrination or that he's always been Jewish and was afraid of simply coming out with it (as if we're all sitting around with a box of yellow stars waiting to sew them on peoples avatars).

In any case Mr Lemon is about as spiritually centered as a shopworn hundred dollar note. Granted I personally appreciate NoMoreTo setting the record straight for the onlookers but he needn't bother thinking it will stick with Lemon himself. He rates your spiritual success by how many zeroes you have in front of the decimal point on your bank statement.
 

Mage

 
Banned
NoMoreTO said:
Mage said:
I was raised as a Catholic from birth and have participated in many Catholic activities, and organizations.

Not a Catholic by faith anymore, but I still have many Catholic people in my life and participate in some events.

I know the practical life of Catholicism inside and out.

1. Attend mass every Sunday AND on days of obligation.
2. Confession once a year
3. Receive communion once during Easter
4. Observe days of fasting
5. Support material needs of the church according to your ability

Mage said:
This is not accurate.

A Catholic is asked to make Confession and receive communion at least twice per year - around Christmas and Easter, that is. But this is the very low bar.

A real Catholic who takes his faith seriously will make confession monthly and receive communion every Sunday at mass,...

You should be careful correcting a priest on Doctrine.

You are confusing a 'practicing' Catholic with a 'Devout' Catholic. These are the minimum requirements.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, each faithful of right discerning age is “bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.” (CCC 1457).

Also note: no one can take communion if they have committed a mortal Sin with confession since the previous Easter. Similar to confession, it is not required to receive communion at mass each time.


You see while in theory there is a difference between a "practicing" Catholic and a "devout" Catholic, in practice you are either devout and practicing or you are only nominal and not practicing.

This priest is speaking theory, I have lived Catholic life and I know how it stands with practical non- clergy Catholics.

If you want to make sure the person is a real Catholic who will stand by his faith, like when looking for Catholic wife or other reason then look for person who goes to confession every four weeks, or more often if happens to fall under heavy sin, and therefore is almost always in state of grace to receive communion, which she does every Sunday or even more often.

Everyone who goes to receive a communion once a year is either living too away from civilization to do it more often or is just larping as a Catholic and should decide to become properly devout or stop being Catholic. It's not a good place to be stuck in for a long time.

Also there is difference between west and east on how often you should go to confession at minimum. At west you have this new generation of priests teaching once per year is enough. In Eastern Europe priests are still teaching the old message that twice per year on Easter and Christmas time is minimum.

Also please use quotation brackets properly next time.
 

Mage

 
Banned
911 said:
Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

Ultimately everything is Satanic but whatever denomination of Christianity you believe is true.

Satan hides everywhere, in a can of beer, in a can of Cola, in a secular song, in a holiday without going to Church, in a fun without guilt, in a savage without forceful conversion, in a child without installed fear, in an art piece without a religious motive, in a primordial land not raped by a man, in everything new, in everything not approved by your pastor, in everything that makes you laugh, in everything you have not payed taxes and tithes about, in everything funny, in everything different, in everything strange, in everything sexy, in everything weird, in everything non-European, in everything empowering, in everything smart, in everything spicy, in everything red, in everything black, in everyone who holds one hand higher then other, in every number 6, in every Friday, in every Saturday, in every Monday, on everything left, in every goat, in every star, in everything older then first gospel, in everything newer then dogmas of church fathers, in everything. He is the Lord of this World.

Go and sit in your Church praying and pouring ashes on your head daily for 16 hours and sleep the rest 8. That is the only way you are going to escape the Great Satan that is everywhere, while your puny god is only in your Church.



Only he who sleeps never sins.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
There are many things to criticize about the Catholic Church, and especially nowadays (but which institution in the West is imune?). Coming from a Catholic country, I too was devoured for a time with the prejudice against the Roman Church - and while now I realize its faults, I think it's much more important to keep and resurrect the good it has done. What stands to be lost with our doing away with it is much bigger than what stands to be gained.

So I'd rather focus on those 2000 years of amazing spiritual and intellectual tradition. One example I found recently is Bishop Fulton Sheen, a truly eloquent and deep speaker. The video below is from a television show he used to do in the 50s. It's clear from his topics, the examples he chooses, that society was already lost the same way it is today, it was only in the first step of the ladder - but the foot was already firmly on it, destroying completely the myth of the 'holy and orderly 50s'. It was a lie sold by cinema. It didn't exist.

This video in particular is so important in our days as it speaks against pride - and perhaps even more important for us, lest we forget among the decay around us, that we shouldn't ever consider ourselves above reproach for simply recognizing the evil around, as that may derail our work and dedication in purging it from our own hearts.

 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Mage said:
911 said:
Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

Ultimately everything is Satanic but whatever denomination of Christianity you believe is true.

Satan hides everywhere, in a can of beer, in a can of Cola, in a secular song, in a holiday without going to Church, in a fun without guilt, in a savage without forceful conversion, in a child without installed fear, in an art piece without a religious motive, in a primordial land not raped by a man, in everything new, in everything not approved by your pastor, in everything that makes you laugh, in everything you have not payed taxes and tithes about, in everything funny, in everything different, in everything strange, in everything sexy, in everything weird, in everything non-European, in everything empowering, in everything smart, in everything spicy, in everything red, in everything black, in everyone who holds one hand higher then other, in every number 6, in every Friday, in every Saturday, in every Monday, on everything left, in every goat, in every star, in everything older then first gospel, in everything newer then dogmas of church fathers, in everything. He is the Lord of this World.

Go and sit in your Church praying and pouring ashes on your head daily for 16 hours and sleep the rest 8. That is the only way you are going to escape the Great Satan that is everywhere, while your puny god is only in your Church.

Weak word magick, mage. This is the rhetorical equivalent of the California cancer label, where a spoonful of asbestos and a sprayed apple will both get the same cancer warning label, which has for effect to dilute and obfuscate the real hazards and relative risks.


Reductio ad absurdum

In logic, reductio ad absurdum is a form of argument which attempts to disprove a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or impractical conclusion


When you come up with ridiculous sweeping statements like "all philosophy is satanic" or "all science is satanic", you're trying to obscure the fact that the basic core of your "as above so below" occult religious doctrine is satanist.

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Brother Abdul Majeed

Kingfisher
Catholic
Gold Member
Mage said:
911 said:
Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

You have a very basic and childish idea of what Christianity encompasses. You have a most basic understanding of the nuances that any serious Christian would have when contemplating other religions or spiritual paths. How on earth can you claim " for a proper Christian" etc. etc. when you have no clue what a "proper Christian" believes in the first place?
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
ilostabet said:
There are many things to criticize about the Catholic Church, and especially nowadays (but which institution in the West is imune?). Coming from a Catholic country, I too was devoured for a time with the prejudice against the Roman Church - and while now I realize its faults, I think it's much more important to keep and resurrect the good it has done. What stands to be lost with our doing away with it is much bigger than what stands to be gained.

So I'd rather focus on those 2000 years of amazing spiritual and intellectual tradition. One example I found recently is Bishop Fulton Sheen, a truly eloquent and deep speaker. The video below is from a television show he used to do in the 50s. It's clear from his topics, the examples he chooses, that society was already lost the same way it is today, it was only in the first step of the ladder - but the foot was already firmly on it, destroying completely the myth of the 'holy and orderly 50s'. It was a lie sold by cinema. It didn't exist.

This video in particular is so important in our days as it speaks against pride - and perhaps even more important for us, lest we forget among the decay around us, that we shouldn't ever consider ourselves above reproach for simply recognizing the evil around, as that may derail our work and dedication in purging it from our own hearts.



Great post. Unfortunately, I think Roosh will have to make another thread, as this is turning more into a Catholic bashing thread instead of a Catholic appreciation/discussion thread. But lets see how it plays our the rest of the week.

E Michael Jones goes in depth as to how the church became corrupted and how to solve it. Simplest answer he gives on how to correct this is for all of us Catholics to get involved in the church again. Admittedly, I am a "Cradle catholic", that is, I was baptized only, but never did confirmation and communion. I'm going to be attending RCIA classes finally in the very near future.

Is it fair for anyone here to complain about what is going on in the church when none of you were seriously involved for the past few decades? Be real with yourselves. Of course the church got corrupted, people stopped going, everyone ate up the globohomo propaganda (you and your GenX/boomer parents included) and became extremely relaxed when it came to social norms. What did we think was going to happen when you stopped going to church every sunday? we allowed fornication before marriage? Birth control to women? and now in 2019, thinking Sodomy is ok? We got distracted by sex and other pleasures, while turning a blind eye to our Religious lives. But no, lets not blame ourselves. The blame solely lies on the Church.

Think about your own lives and those of your parents before solely blaming the RC church for their corruption. Where you all saints during the time the church was corrupted? There's a reason why priest in Poland and other Slavic countries are sought for, because their culture still holds some sort of normalcy and moral standards, unlike America and the rest of the West.
 

Mage

 
Banned
911 said:
Weak word magick, mage.

Seriously dude? You are seeing Satan and magic everywhere even unusual manner of writing is magick for you?

Just proves my point that for likes of you everything unusual comes from Satan.

Once likes of you start seeing Satan, they never stop. You have this paranoid idea that I am a Satanist and you will stick with it even if I change tomorrow my profile pic to Jesus pic and proclaim I believe in Jesus. You will still claim it a ruse or whatever. There is no point in trying to win favors from people like you. You are the medieval witch burner, the inquisitor, were you born in Middle East you would be the one who promotes Jihad maybe goes to Jihad himself. You are a host for an agent of the system, a slave who works to keep others ignorant, fearful and enslaved with him, a disgusting creature.

911 said:
Reductio ad absurdum

Nothing wrong with reducing to absurd that which is absurd indeed. Being paranoid of Satan is absurd. The whole Christian idea of dualistic world is absurd. It's just easier to think in binary opposites rather then see the world for the complexity it truly is.

Brother Abdul Majeed said:
Mage said:
911 said:
Yoga is satanic by nature, as are your "as above so below" dogmas rooted in magick (derives from "mage"), which is the occult art of deception and alchemy.
For a proper Christian Yoga is Satanic, Buddhism is Satanic, Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Shintoism, Paganism are satanic. Science is Satanic because it contradicts literal interpretation of Bible. All philosophy is Satanic. Music and art is Satanic. For Protestants Catholicism is Satanic and for Catholics all Protestant reformers like Luther or Calvin were deluded by Satan so although they are too polite to say that but ultimately Protestantism is Satanic.

You have a very basic and childish idea of what Christianity encompasses. You have a most basic understanding of the nuances that any serious Christian would have when contemplating other religions or spiritual paths. How on earth can you claim " for a proper Christian" etc. etc. when you have no clue what a "proper Christian" believes in the first place?

I was ridiculing a special kind of Christian that sees Satan everywhere. Poster 911 being one of them.

There are other Christians who are not seeing Satan everywhere but as in every aspect of life, it often happens that the loudest and stupidest set the tone.

It's perfectly fine to be a polite Christian who simply thinks that other faiths are just wrong or not as correct as your own for any reason and can have a polite conversation about pros and cons of different faiths and level of truthfulness in each of them. But if you resort to calling other views demonic, there is no polite discourse with you anymore. You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.
 

An0dyne

Robin
Other Christian
The most engaged, young members of the Roman Church I know today are very traditional (Latin Mass, many children, etc.). The upper escehelons are still entrenched with Boomers, which will take a while to phase out. But I think change is coming there one way or the other.

The real issue is the long-range effects of Vatican 2. The reforms of that era had a ripple-effect throughout Western Christendom. The adage goes, "When the pope sniffs, Protestants sneeze." It's very true. The reality is that over the past decades/centuries, Protestants have been mimicking the Roman Church. It started liturgically, with abandoning our unique/ethnic forms for the Roman rite, fully realized in Vatican 2. In the most recent sense, Protestants see the media campaign about a liberalizing Catholic magisterium and try to emulate accordingly.

Of course, Rome is self-reforming and not at all as liberal as the media would have you believe. Some of the Vatican 2 liturgical reforms are being rolled back. And I suspect there will be a magisterial purge soon as well. But the damage to the rest of Western Christendom has already been done. Rest assured, there are traditional elements in the denominations pushing back against the trends. But the mainline denominations, unlike the Roman Church, will fizzle and die before these smaller sects rise to prominence.
 

Bolly

 
Banned
Other Christian
Mage said:
You have proven yourself an aggressive fanatic and deserve nothing but ridicule.

Oh please. This is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. You get pretty emotionally unhinged and agressive in your posts when debating. Namecalling and belittling and such.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
There is an upcoming Amazonian Synod of Bishops. You may have heard in the media that this is being pushed as an opportunity to allow Priests to marry due to the sparse population and difficulty in travel, providing sacraments etc. This would be bad enough, but it is worse than this.

Many Catholics are concerned that this Synod and the Bishops selected could attempt to inject heresies into the Church.
(1) Pantheism
(2) Pagan Superstitions as sources of divine Revelation
(3) Aboriginals have already received revelation
(4) Catholic priests need to conform to native customs of amazon
(5) A new approach is needed for what it means to be a human being
(6) Tribal Collectivism

In the attached document, Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke & Bishop Schneider explain the situation with respect to a working document put forward 'Instrumentum Laboris' for what is in laymans terms could be described topics of discussion for theol.
""A CRUSADE OF PRAYER AND FASTING: TO IMPLORE GOD THAT ERROR AND HERESY DO NOT PERVERT THE COMING SPECIAL ASSEMBLY OF THE SYNOD OF BISHOPS FOR THE PAN-AMAZON "
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The requested fast and prayer is very simple, and it begins today Sept 17th for 40 days:
During the forty-day crusade of prayer and fasting, we propose to pray daily at least one decade of the Holy Rosary and to fast once a week for the above mentioned intentions. According to the tradition of the Church, fasting consists in eating only one full meal during the day, and additionally, one may eat up to two smaller meals. Fasting on bread and water is also recommended to those who are able to do so.


 

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