Not all of it. There is a fast growing traditionalist movement that is fully red-pilled on globohomo and run by men.
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Louis IX
Pelican
From my own experience traditionalist movement is very appealing to a lot of young people in West Europe. All it takes is to explain to them what Vatican II is / was (even if Vatican II is not the only reason) . Cannot recall the source but mainstream catholicism is losing in numbers while traditionalists are growing.
Can this movement be quantified in any way?
Any good site out there for quick Vatican 2 explanation for such purpose?
Any good site out there for quick Vatican 2 explanation for such purpose?
NoMoreTO
Ostrich
The Traditionalist movement? Well you would probably add up:
Diocesan Latin Mass Community
FSSP
SSPX
Institute of Christ the King
Sede Vacantes (although perhaps should be considered outside)
To me, this is the "trad movement". The largest component is probably SSPX.
The simplest way to identify a TRAD, is whether they take communion on the tongue and on their knees, whether they go to a latin mass. Communion on the tongue is currently outlawed in most diocese in my area due to Corona. You could also start to dig down on their beliefs and generally you would find the parish to be more congruent with tradtiional Catholic teaching. Modern Examples: Use of Contraception, Views on Divorce, Death Penalty, etc.
I do hold that someone could go to the New Mass, and be a more devout follower than a Trad, based on how they live, proper understanding of Catholic teaching, But there is a difference between being holy and devout and "trad". In my mind Trad's need to keep this in mind - myself included.
2 Right Hands
Robin
I saw on of the SSPX channels that their numbers in Poland doubled over the last year. Their churches were the few ones that never closed and never imposed any restrictions. I have some issues with SSPX but can't really fault them for doing what Church is supposed to be doing, especially during hard times like these!
From what I'm hearing, this is true at most (if not all) TLM parishes, worldwide.
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Understand that the Catholic Church is currently under online attack by Chabbad - the Russian Jewish Mafia. As well as being responsible for funding multiple conservative influencers, their shills are all found in any forums where Traditional Christians gather, selling Russian Geopolitical Thinker Alexander Dugin's propaganda in an attempt to shift a person's spiritual thinking into what is known as the Social Regeneration or 'Crusader' Mindset.
But rather than a healthy golden mean, the intention is to push you into the Extreme of this: Pharisee Moralism, Cultural Condemnation (Western Spirituality is responsible for Western Decadence), and Aggressive Action against it (see the Capitol Riots). This is also being used against the Catholic Church, as per Dugin and (Socialist) Russia's desires.
In particular, they want to make you mistrust the hierarchy of the Catholic Church:
Dugin, on Poland, in 1988:
- In a word, from your point of view, all anti-Catholic activities in Poland are beneficial?
- Frankly speaking, the opinion that is more widespread in Poland is that if there are forces decomposing Catholicism in Poland, they are closer to the West than the East.
- If this is how the New World Order is presented in Poland, it is almost always added that only Catholicism can be a salvation from total secularization.
Further in the interview, he lets the Cat out of the bag:
- To tell the truth, it is somehow difficult for me to imagine communism as a fight for the sacred in the world. Especially in the times of Stalin, so praised by Lord Stalin, it was a deeply anti-Orthodox movement: churches were demolished and closed, bishops were tortured and murdered, the faithful were imprisoned and sent to Siberia, forced atheization was carried out …
Putin, ex-KGB becomes President, and uses Dugin's 4th Political Theory as his geopolitical model to bring Neo-Socialism to unite Asia. This would be the New Eurasian Project.
Why do you think Kek was pushed so hard on 4Chan? Why do you think member Davis Aurini was banned from Youtube so early in the piece for correctly pointing out Kek was a Satanic Prank?
Here's a recent manifesto by Dugin that lays out exactly what Eusebius is coincidentally saying. Notice when Dugin refers to Trump in the White House, he says 'We'. Who is 'we'? Chabbad.
The Manifesto of Great Awakening. Against Great Reset.
"The Great Reset" wants to make the world unipolar again in order to move towards a globalist non-polarity, where the elites will become fully international and their residence will be dispersed throughout the entire space of the planet. This is why globalism brings about the end of the US as a...www.geopolitica.ru
Here's the sort of increasingly anti-Catholic screed you see by the Orthodox Communist Church:
The Distortion of Man in the Post-Schism West
Ever since the West made Augustinianism its theological foundation, with its roots in Plotinus’s conception of God as an absolutely simple, impersonal Monad from which all of reality emanates, there has been an ongoing destruction of the human person
A lot of their writing stresses any kind of Catholic progression into Contemplative Prayer as 'Prelest'. They don't want you being taught directly by the Holy Spirit through Infused Knowledge, or you'll realise something is very wrong with them. They distort the teaching in this manner:
Prelest - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Like Trump, the Russian Orthodox church is controlled by Chabbad. Here's Kirill accepting a golden apple - a symbol of Forbidden Esoteric Knowledge by Chabbad Rabbit Arthur Schneier. Who is Shneier?
“Klaus Schwab, was having breakfast with Rabbi Arthur Schneier at his Park East Synagogue in New York when the two jets struck the World Trade Center.”
From the Jerusalem Times:
Patriarch Kirill, who was elected at a session in Moscow last week and enthroned Sunday, has ties to the Jewish world going back decades.
His predecessor, Patriarch Alexy, traveled to the United States to speak to the Park East synagogue in New York City shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union removed restrictions on the church. Since then, Patriarch Kirill, who served as the church’s interfaith and international liaison, has visited New York multiple times.
Note Kushner, Trump's Chabbad handler.
Chabbad funds both Left Wing and Right Wing Extremists to generate the required state of chaos to collapse both institutions and countries, which is why BLM and Antifa both only got stronger under Trump. This is also happening to the Catholic Church. All the viciously anti-Pope Francis sites, such as The Vortex, Lifesite News, Dr Taylor Marshall, From Rome, The Remnant, Holy Family Monastery, and Archbishop Vigano amongst others, are simply Chabbad plants to distort the news or outright lie to turn you against the Vicar of Christ and make you sin against the Holy Spirit, cursing you with a darkened intellect.
They very much pushed the idea that Putin and Trump are 'secular messiahs', chosen by God to destroy the Satanic Liberal Order. Here's the origin of Q, who started a few months later, with the goal to radicalise the Conservative Right, whom, admittedly, are some of the dumbest individuals alive, who never once research anything they're told, which is all it takes to see through their lies. "These people are stupid."
Alex Jones And Aleksandr Dugin Praise Vladimir Putin For Standing Against ‘Satanic’ ‘Globalists’
On a recent episode of InfoWars’ The Alex Jones Show, Russian political theorist and Putin adviser Aleksandr Dugin made an appearance to praise the Russian leader’s efforts at fighting …angrywhitemen.org
This is all it takes to programme your thinking - a process known as Hypernormalisation, where you have no idea what the truth of any situation is - is paying off a handful of conservative influencers to push their narrative. If they're suddenly everywhere, even though they should be simply banned by the media, and are using the term 'Logos' rather than Christ, they're Duganists. This is why Jordan Peterson went to Russia to Detox.
In Search of the Dark Logos
Alexander Dugin, In Search of the Dark Logos: Philosophico-Theological Outlines (Moscow: Academic Project/Department of the Sociology of International Relations, Faculty of Sociology, Moscow State …eurasianist-archive.com
The usual suspects in Catholicism are laid out here.
How QAnon and Trumpism Have Revealed a Deep Church Schism Among Catholics
Catholicism’s increasingly powerful political right reflects fringe America, fueled by paranoia, conspiracy, racism, and the threat of apocalypse.www.vanityfair.com
So, with the Pachamama fuss, the article clearly lays out this was due to the actions of Alexander Tschugguel, whose video was promoted by Dr Taylor Marshall, unsuprisingly praised by Trump. (Chabbad loves these kind of stupid stunts - see Laura Loomer disrupting a play in NYC, or all the drama Milo used to generate).
Knowing how Chabbad funds Right Wing Extremists, it took a minute with Google to find this:
The One Who Threw The Pachamama Idol Into the River Caught On Tape Refusing To Denounce Nationalist Neopagans in Europe - Walid Shoebat
(Shoebat Sunday Special) Jesus says to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. But when it comes to European wolves, American sheep are completely credulous. They are like Red Riding Hood, not recognizing the wolf who dressed up as her grandmother. Recently the Western Catholic world found a new...shoebat.com
What a coincidence that Tschugguel is tied to Right Wing Activist Groups, particularly Dugin's preferred Neo-Pagans groups, as he wants to shift Eurasia back to its esoteric pagan roots.
This is how easily your post-conversion self-righteousness allows people to be conned by Russia's Neo-Communism. This is why the left screeches about Russian Collusion, and all Trump ties lead back to Russia. Chabbad has convinced those on the right that any semblance of this truth is 'fake news'.
These fake Catholics are everywhere. Here's E. Michael Jones at the 2019 anti-Western/pro-Eurasian Project ‘New Horizons’ conference. He claims to be unfamiliar with Dugin's work, even to this year.
Why did members here choose the Orthodox Church? Did God guide them? Or did some online Conservative Influencer constantly recommended by Youtube convince them that it was holy and true and your own culture was evil to the core?
Here's Putin stressing that Nationalism is actually Civic Nationalism. Sound familiar?
Putin’s stern condemnation of ‘caveman nationalism’ strongly contradicts Western attempts to paint him as Russian ultranationalist
Commentators have attempted to compare Vladimir Putin to various fascist political figures from the past. In reality, the Russian president embodies a state-centred patriotism that celebrates Russia as a multiethnic community.www.rt.com
It's very, very familiar. This is what the Soviets pushed.
I believe all of this is what Our Lady was talking about when she prophecised the West's destruction by Russia, who 'surprises the world'.
Lastly, don't look to Roosh to guide you. He is one of them - hence interviews with Dyer, Jones and Benjamin, and Torba promoting his book, and why he allows abuse of Catholics on here, and frequently would post anti-Francis articles. This is why the media barrage against him evaporated, he can brag about being unbannable on Twitter, and wrote an strangely instantly-popular book of Cultural Condemnation very early into his faith journey, despite making the beginner error of fearing sex enough that he believes all women are potential sources of danger sent by the devil to tempt him, when the problem is only psychological: a fear-based respressive disorder. Ironically, it's the same issue that poor old Rob Banks had, whom Roosh was very uncharitable to about his problems, making me see God's hand in his affliction.
This terrible advice:
How To Control Your Lust – Roosh Valizadeh
If you believe in the secular lies that underpin Western culture, you probably see yourself as an animal that should not be denied pleasure. You believe that sex is one of the principal features of life, perhaps its only joy, and so we should all succumb to it whenever the mood strikes us. Besides,www.rooshv.com
... generated this mental illness:
The Dangerous Women Of Wisconsin – Roosh Valizadeh
The following is an excerpt from my new book American Pilgrim. Madison was also full of attractive and naïve-looking young women thanks to the University of Wisconsin. My first experience with one was in a supermarket. I asked the female clerk for a bonus card to save a few cents on my shopping.www.rooshv.com
He is now sexually obsessed with every woman he meets, all of whom obviously are sexually interested in him. Creepy.
This is my last word on the subject, as I have no desire to ever return to this hellish, godforsaken place. If you are united to Rome, get out now. You cannot say you weren't warned.
This is a train wreck of a post. It contains many truths, and interesting information like the well-documented link between the Spencer crowd and Dugin, and the nature of Dugin as an outright evil figure, to make it an interesting read.
However it totally misreads the current situation. Dugin has been a marginal figure in Russian politics, kicked out of his post at Moscow State U, and today it's quite clear that Putin and Russia have steered far away from that kabbalistic deeply flawed vison, leading a Christian revival in Russia, standing up for Christians in places like Syria and Armenia (which would have been COMPLETELY overrun if it weren't for Russia!) against the deep state and zionist world order. Instead of sowing kabbalistic chaos, Putin has been stabilizing the region.
The mindset and policies outlined in the above post are on the other hand fully compatible with the current anglo-zionist deep state, while they pretend to be against it. The author of this post, while well-meaning, is clearly being misled. Which is also the case for good guys like Adam Green that are taking the bait from classic gatekeepers like that Fitzgerald dude, who is definitely a glowie (much like Spencer and the bearded sidekick of that idiot horned shaman shill from the January 6 psyop at the Capitol).
augustinus
Pigeon
Good morning! I hope everyone is doing well. I entered the Church last year during the initial outbreak, and since then I managed a decent rookie prayer routine (Rosary and prayers in morning/night), and I'm looking to get further in it. It seems to me like the spiritual opposition I find myself wrangling with has ramped up hard, and I feel the need to fight back more. I'm stuck with a long commute to and from college and time has narrowed for as much of it, but I was curious how you guys were able to get to where you are now, since I can imagine you all have equally busy if not busier lives. What do you think is probably the logical next step for a convert to develop in his prayer life?
More importantly I suppose, how did you manage to develop a rigid prayer routine? I always struggle with keeping up a steady routine with prayer and devotion. I figure it works like any other habit, but there have to be ways to help cultivate it and keep it, just like any other.
Pax Christi.
More importantly I suppose, how did you manage to develop a rigid prayer routine? I always struggle with keeping up a steady routine with prayer and devotion. I figure it works like any other habit, but there have to be ways to help cultivate it and keep it, just like any other.
Pax Christi.
NoMoreTO
Ostrich
One small thing I did seemingly by accident, was buy the CD Requiem Aeternum by FSSP Priests at the Church Bookstore. I've logged more hours listening to this CD then I have any book I bought, perhaps save the Bible - but it'd be close. The vocals are unbelievable and every song is indeed a prayer. I found this helpful when I was driving in heavy traffic in the morning, rather than listen to the AM radio chatterbox, or skip between channels for a decent song, I would put this on and it really relaxed me. I lost alot of road anger too, it's funny how the music you listen to affects your driving. I still listen to the normal radio, but on a long country drive it can be nice too.
It is the Requiem (Funeral) Mass and has about 20 tracks on it.
Despite your busy schedule, how often and how much do you meditate? Are you regularly doing spiritual reading?
augustinus
Pigeon
Thanks, I had no idea that such a thing existed. Thanks for the heads-up, I'll definitely check it out.
augustinus
Pigeon
Unless you count the Rosary, not really at all. I'm not exactly certain of what meditation entails, it wasn't something that has ever been explained to me. As for spiritual reading I keep up the best I can, but lately it has decreased from a chapter or so a night to a few pages.
Sometimes under pressure of time I use e-books while driving or do car Rosaries, though I don't feel either has the same effect as reading or praying in a quiet and secluded place.
OK, go ahead and listen to Fr. Ripperger teach about meditation, I think that should be a good start:
I believe this to be a great sign of strength. It is heartening to see SSPX back within the fold. Hopefully this will drive many back to the Church. We need unity.
At the same time I would urge us not to try and forge our own way too much within the Church. I would argue there is much Pride/rebellion in the method of trying to use your intellect to find the most "pure" path within the Church. For me what helped a lot was submitting to the ways of the Novus Ordo, in spite of the parts I thought toothless, or lacking in masculinity, or aggression. What do I know? I have to trust in the decision of my superiors, and if I truly have faith in God, I will trust in His Church, whatever the consequences.
Of course, this precludes obvious sin, but I hope what I'm saying is clear. Those who go to SSPX/Latin Mass are not more holy or pure than the rest of us "ordinary" Catholics, and their Mass is not somehow more authentic than the Novus Ordo, even though I despise innovation for the sake of it, and modernism. Obedience is as important as intellect.
I would hope the SSPX and Latin mass men will continue to buttress the Church and hopefully one day the direction will shift back towards the old ways. Until then I will show up on Sunday and put my ass in the seat, and continue to support my bishop and the pope.
FiatVoluntasTua
Robin
I think praying the respective Rosary every day is already quite the routine to be following. To relax and meditate, some Gregorian chants may help you focus on prayer and your spiritual connection to God. You may even want to chant them yourself or join a choir. I find that just keeping up the routine of (daily) church visit and praying the Rosary makes it easier every day to follow our Saviour. Of course prayers can be "work", but it is always worth it. What is absolutely necessary is daily Bible reading. Only this will give you a good understanding of your faith. Everything you are confronted with now has been already discussed in the Holy Scriptures. These are only my two cents. Good luck, brother.
Happy Sunday!
Here's a fantastic resource I recently stumbled on:
Here's a fantastic resource I recently stumbled on:
Being Catholic
Everything you need to know to practice Catholicism in the traditional way
www.fisheaters.com
This was a fantastic read on the website you posted -- https://www.fisheaters.com/TLMintroduction.html
Can anyone elaborate on FSSP or SSPX for traditional Latin Mass? Any recommendations either way? We have one of each in our area.
Can anyone elaborate on FSSP or SSPX for traditional Latin Mass? Any recommendations either way? We have one of each in our area.
All things being equal - FSSP. I don't think the SSPX are schismatics or evil, like many do, but I've found the SSPX culture can be detrimental to the faith (can be!). Especially when you consider that many SSPX "priories" pop up without their bishop's approval, FSSP is the clear choice in my eyes.