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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr Mantis Toboggan" data-source="post: 1276353" data-attributes="member: 14493">I find Catholic churches tend to vary wildly in terms of congregation makeup. Even in places like the northeast and Midwest that traditionally are heavily Catholic there tend to be Irish churches, Italian churches, Polish churches, etc although it isn't as formally delineated as it is in the Orthodox church. Went to Mass this morning, second time we went to this church we found in our city, and it was about 90% white (mainly visibly Irish) with a scattering of black and Hispanic (and most of the latter were speaking English among themselves). We had gone to another Catholic church in our city and even the English language mass was 90+% Hispanic and African. When we went to the Spanish Mass at that church (I'm also engaged to a Latina) I was the only white guy there. Haven't been to the Spanish mass at the new church yet. But, the new one is in an upper-middle class, heavily white neighborhood and the other one is in an area with a huge immigrant community. So I think that's the main difference. I'm torn on the refugee thing in the church. I do think  church leaders in the west need to be more cognizant of the left's goals and realize that initiatives that may be in line with the church's mission could end up hurting it. That said, the church and its leaders have a responsibility to the faith before the country, so while I am an American nationalist I don't expect the Church to put that as its highest priority, although I think the best interests of the Church and the country are aligned far more often than not.I also draw a huge distinction between helping immigrants who are already here and actively pushing to bring more over, which I don't see most Catholic leaders in the US doing (there are exceptions). The more pozzed Protestant churches are the worst offenders in that regard.</blockquote>

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