The Coming War with Iran

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Woodpecker
From my perspective, Turkey has better chance of creating its own currency than Libya or Iran ever did. As much as I loathe to admit this, it could be successful. No way NATO could attack Turkey without major collateral damage. So if it wanted to do that, thered be absolutely nothing West could do about that. Question is if Turkey has major banking to do that.

Answer is most likely no. Not even close to capabilities of Libya (I think)

So we have nothing to talk about.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
He should have learnt from Gadaffi and Sadam. But I can’t see Turkey going through what Iraq and Libya did. War with Turkey? Taking Constantinople back?
It'll happen, and we may be seeing bizarro world within the next 3-5, or perhaps 20, years. It'll be a short period of time, though.

I think I asked this within the last 6 months ago, though, so I'll ask it again --- is the war with Iran still coming?
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Maybe not, the US/Biden people are worried about the $400 billion Iran-China deal, they need a bit of carrot to go along with the stick in order to prevent Iran from completely going into China's lap.

It's going to be hard to reverse that though, because Iran is a very strategic ally for China, being able to supply half their oil through land, with a future pipeline across Pakistan. Pakistan is the only country between them, and it's squarely in China's fold. China can, in a pinch, get all its oil from land sources (Russia + Iran), which reduces their dependency on sea routes through the Malacca Straight, which are very easy to choke off by either the US, India (which owns islands near the area) or even Indonesia. As things are now, China can be crippled and its economy be brought to a halt through the closing of the Malacca Straight, or even just shutting down their tankers out of the Persian Gulf.

Iran needs China as well for its infrastructure which is badly underdeveloped, as well as for military tech and even more importantly, a source of financing that is impervious to the US/EU embargo.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
From my perspective, Turkey has better chance of creating its own currency than Libya or Iran ever did. As much as I loathe to admit this, it could be successful. No way NATO could attack Turkey without major collateral damage. So if it wanted to do that, thered be absolutely nothing West could do about that. Question is if Turkey has major banking to do that.

Answer is most likely no. Not even close to capabilities of Libya (I think)

So we have nothing to talk about.

I'm not sure to what extent Turkey and Erdogan are truly independent, the guy has a definite Muslim Brotherhood masonic vibe. The MB was set up in Egyptian lodges connected with British freemasonry. According to some reliable sources like David Livingston and Youssef Hindi, their eschatology lines up with kabbalistic themes, much like evangelical endtimer beliefs, which were also formulated from the same source (London Rothschilds, funders of the Scofield Bible).

This is the presidential emblem of Turkey, which was created relatively recently by Erdogan:

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Notice the star at the top of the emblem is upside down - not very kosher... Very similar to the logo of the Clinton Foundation, where the most prominent star in the circular ring of star (a masonic symbol, see the EU flag) also is upside down:
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Generally speaking, Erdogan's policies have fit quite well with the "ordo ab chao" (order through chaos) kabbalistic mindset of these political/religious orders, his vision looks like a wide arc of destabilization, from Libya to Xinjiang and across Turkic Central Asia. In Syria for instance Erdogan could have easily stabilized the country and even took over from Assad as the ruler had he shown a desire to be a fair ruler instead of someone who is activly destroying that country, his clan being personally involved in the traffic of looted goods from Syria, including oil (sold to Israel at a discount), machinery and even archeological artifacts, in addition to funding nihilistic jihadis out to rape and plunder that country.

This could also explain the wider berth given to Erdogan by the globalists, although they did attempt a coup against him and are also invested in the Gulen network, a rival organization that is a similar islamic underground network with deep state roots.
 
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Jünger

Ostrich

911

Peacock
Gold Member
One big downside to the US having had a huge edge in air superiority over the Soviets pretty much from the 1950s on (with a few exceptions) is that Russia is one or two decades ahead in missile technology, especially in hypersonic and AA systems.

The Patriot missiles are something like $1 million a pop and they only work 20%-25% against large scud-like ballistic missiles that are easy to spot and track. They're not much use against a bunch of small $15k drones...
 
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cowboy

Sparrow
This topic has been a big subject of discussion among the us military. 911 is spot on, the US Military has neglected its AIr Defense Artillery (ADA) because of the dominance of the US Air Force. During the whole Iraq and Afghan campaigns the US Army scrapped their short range air defense (SHORAD) battalions. This happened 2006-2008. Most of the SHORAD units consisted of stinger equipped soldiers. SHORAD units were in Light Infantry, Airborne, Air Assault, and Armor/Mech outfits. Armor/Mech units had a Bradley Fighting Vehicle equipped with Stinger Pods that could actually fire while moving. However, these were the same Stingers supplied to counter the Soviets in Afghan. Nothing that sophisticated. Additionally, their was no motivation for SHORAD ADA to further develop. The focus was on high altitude systems and “big picture” missile defense.

The lack of SHORAD ADA didn’t appear to be an issue until Turkish drones decimated the Armenian Army. Now the US Army is trying to kick it into high gear and re-establish ADA units. A new platform that is a Stryker vehicle with you guessed it.... stinger missiles is being manufactured. So between all of the woke sensitivity training the focus is on countering drones through old fashioned ADA. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 

BiggNastee

Woodpecker
This topic has been a big subject of discussion among the us military. 911 is spot on, the US Military has neglected its AIr Defense Artillery (ADA) because of the dominance of the US Air Force. During the whole Iraq and Afghan campaigns the US Army scrapped their short range air defense (SHORAD) battalions. This happened 2006-2008. Most of the SHORAD units consisted of stinger equipped soldiers. SHORAD units were in Light Infantry, Airborne, Air Assault, and Armor/Mech outfits. Armor/Mech units had a Bradley Fighting Vehicle equipped with Stinger Pods that could actually fire while moving. However, these were the same Stingers supplied to counter the Soviets in Afghan. Nothing that sophisticated. Additionally, their was no motivation for SHORAD ADA to further develop. The focus was on high altitude systems and “big picture” missile defense.

The lack of SHORAD ADA didn’t appear to be an issue until Turkish drones decimated the Armenian Army. Now the US Army is trying to kick it into high gear and re-establish ADA units. A new platform that is a Stryker vehicle with you guessed it.... stinger missiles is being manufactured. So between all of the woke sensitivity training the focus is on countering drones through old fashioned ADA. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Be confident.. don't get cocky
 

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ralfy

Robin
Maybe not, the US/Biden people are worried about the $400 billion Iran-China deal, they need a bit of carrot to go along with the stick in order to prevent Iran from completely going into China's lap.

It's going to be hard to reverse that though, because Iran is a very strategic ally for China, being able to supply half their oil through land, with a future pipeline across Pakistan. Pakistan is the only country between them, and it's squarely in China's fold. China can, in a pinch, get all its oil from land sources (Russia + Iran), which reduces their dependency on sea routes through the Malacca Straight, which are very easy to choke off by either the US, India (which owns islands near the area) or even Indonesia. As things are now, China can be crippled and its economy be brought to a halt through the closing of the Malacca Straight, or even just shutting down their tankers out of the Persian Gulf.

Iran needs China as well for its infrastructure which is badly underdeveloped, as well as for military tech and even more importantly, a source of financing that is impervious to the US/EU embargo.

Not only that, but we're looking at BRICS and over forty emerging markets engaged in bilateral relations, and when they grow stronger, that threatens U.S. geopolitical dominance.

In short, we're looking at most of the world doing business and politicians like Biden and his U.S. Wall Street masters being threatened by that.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
This kind of highlights the weakness of Turkey, they have to resort to using Syrian jihadis in places like Armenia and Yemen because Turks won't die for these dubious causes. Millions of them would readily fight if their country was in a direct war at its borders, but their soldiers aren't going to die for half-baked NATO schemes all over the place.
 

On the rocket attack in Dimona.

Pretty big escalation. Makes you think ponder on whether the Iranians already have that nuclear deterrence..
At the least, the leaders of Iran must see the internal turmoil in the USA and realize if they are to strike the time is now before Israel drops the USA and becomes more friendly with China. Israel is working to get in close with China, this past Sunday's Fash The Nation covers this in good detail.
 
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