The Consume Product (Consumerism) Thread

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Seen a new meme pop up recently: consume product.

The Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ConsumeProduct/

It's a criticism of consumerism, from a conservative, Christian position, borrowing from other memes, such as The Coomer (porn addict) and soy boys/face.

It mocks consumers and venerates those who live frugally, with higher values.

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It seems the counter-culture is developing rapidly, from the areas that are not corporate controlled, particularly 4Chan. We are entering a world where the the culture war is through almost exclusively on a corporate (left) and distributed, grass-roots (conservative) divide.

The themes emerging are:

Chastity and life-long marriage vs. promiscuous and open relationships
A mate for everyone vs. hot dick for women and mandatory porn for incels to stop mass shootings, soft polygamy
Banning and abstinence from pornography vs. promotion and to be subsumed in pornography
Some form of physical improvement vs. be a cute little soy boy
Israel is on it's own vs. Israel is the only democracy in The Middle East....
LGBT back in the closet+ vs. turn more kids into even more obscure sexual preferences
Do not sexualise children vs. sexualise children
Support property rights, but oppose consumerism and atomising corporations vs. oppose property rights, make a few criticisms of consumerism, while rabidly consuming tat
The good book vs. comic books etc.
Rarely watching entertainment vs. binge watching films and TV
No computer games vs. computer game playing dungeon
...
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
Posting this again here as it's highly relevant and I think everyone here should watch it as a paradigm shift is indeed occurring.
As an aside I think they'll start going after the new wave of non-alcohol drinkers next (but not Muslims). Give it a year tops. Sobriety is the new counter culture.
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator
Consumerism is running rampant but it's more of a symptom than a disease. American culture has been killed. Consumerism (physical and spiritual) has rushed to fill the voice.

Ask yourself, what is "American culture" ? Talk with any American and their interests are buying things, watching TV, dining out, and hooking up. All consumption, no growth. That's it, a culture based on "new".

I don't think it's a worthy cause to rally against consumerism. It's a hard sell. Instead, focus on what you can replace it with. When people shift their attention to church, family, and relationships, suddenly consumerism feels empty.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
redbeard said:
Consumerism is running rampant but it's more of a symptom than a disease. American culture has been killed. Consumerism (physical and spiritual) has rushed to fill the voice.

Ask yourself, what is "American culture" ? Talk with any American and their interests are buying things, watching TV, dining out, and hooking up. All consumption, no growth. That's it, a culture based on "new".

I don't think it's a worthy cause to rally against consumerism. It's a hard sell. Instead, focus on what you can replace it with. When people shift their attention to church, family, and relationships, suddenly consumerism feels empty.

It's not enough to 'replace' consumerism with something meaningful - we have to ask why we have such a need for it in the first place. Church, family and relationships were never, and will never be, places of escape from your daily life - they were always complements to, and nicely imbedded into, your daily tasks.

People escape to consumerism and entertainment because their daily lives aren't fulfilling - they work meaningless jobs, doing meaningless tasks for meaningless purposes; they know they can (and will) be replaced by migrants, people in other countries and automation. Especially the middle class - which is now the majority - working in service jobs, takes no meaning from their work - quite the opposite: they can't wait to get out of there and run home to escape into the fantasy world of entertainment, to buy a plane ticket to the next destination, because their daily lives are so empty and pointless. Most people will not simply replace consumerism and entertainment with the Church, and if they do, they are doing it for the wrong reasons and will be frustrated with the result.

In other words, we can't change the consumerist mindset if we don't abolish the service economy and the meaninglessness of modern life, with its offices, its fast food and its hours of commuting - the two things feed off each other and it's why cuckservatives always want to 'improve' the economy without changing it, without giving people meaningful work again, imbedded into communities, where your production is connected to your survival. If this is done, pretty quickly people will regain a sense of what's important: including God and tribe. No one finds God in an open-space call center.
 

Horus

Ostrich
Gold Member
Own a few things. Only own things which are indispensable to your life. Take pride in the few things you own and look after them. Spend money on quality things that will last a lifetime. 500 dollars for a pair of shoes you will wear to your grave is not expensive. Get some tailor made clothes. You won't have many clothes in your closet, but the clothes you own will look and feel great, and will be much better value than the clothes you bought on a whim and won't wear often. Only buy something new when you're sure it will add value to your life. If in doubt, it's probably something you don't need.
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
The insights from some of you guys is astounding. Honestly, this forum attracts amazing men. We really ought to move this to the real world in some way.:grouphug:
 
The cause of Comsumerism has a lot to do with peoples working lives today.

Traditionally, people worked a lot less and in conditions and at a pace they felt more comfortable with. Work was a lot more stress free. Therefore, people were generally more relaxed (normal) compared to today. In todays West, people (men esp) are much more stressed at work. They try to compensate with consumerism, buying crap to make up for feeling miserable day-to-day. Consumerism goes with the territory of 9-5 jobs and a steady paycheck. That job has to pay for itself.

It also affects relationships. Many men are miserable day-to-day, and hence feel they are doing society a favour by doing those jobs. Then, they feel society (women) owe them by being good and obedient wives. Only no one cares.

People are miserable at work but are too dominated to be able to do (or even think) anything about it. You see them taking it out on the rest of society. Modern men are cunts out in society but little bitches at work. It will get worse and these countries will implode from Capitalism and the Right will be blamed.

The 'controlled' working conditions that lead to this are caused by dominance of the economy by large corporations, all centred around and ultimately controlled by the financial elites.

This may just be the price the West pays for being the richest and most powerful society on Earth.
 

Brother Abdul Majeed

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I'm sure most of you will have seen this video (it's the first in a series of 6). Those of you who haven't, it might be an eye opener.

The series is called The Century of the Self, and the first video is called Happiness Machines.

Sigmund Freud's nephew, Ed Bernays, opened up the first "public relations" firm in New York in the 1920's, and used the teachings of Freud to help corporations to market products to people, products that people didn't necessarily want or need. He is responsible for many things that you take for granted today. It's remarkable that he's not one of the most famous men of the 20th century.

What is the difference between "public relations" and propaganda? None that I can think of. In Panamanian elections political parties call their information leaflets propaganda leaflets, the word doesn't have a negative connotation here.

Anyway, enough blather, if you have an hour to spare and would like to find out about the roots of consumerism, I'm sure you'll find this an interesting video.

 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Propaganda only became a pejorative in Europe/US in the 20th century. It stems from the same word as propagate - to disseminate information.

Nazi Germany had a Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. The US had an Office of Censorship. A relative of mine was Controller of Press Censorship.

They've just changed the names, after these words were burned during WWII.

Propaganda used to be putting out your information and letting people decide. But these campaigns were hyper-targeted and informed by psychological research.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
I like some products and their manufacturing has created jobs and income for someone somewhere. However, things get freaky with all the cheap/disposable clothing, fast food and other grotesque market manifestations. The guy from "Zara" is one of the richest in the world, playing to womens' whims for a new dress any other day.

I am definitely behind the ethos of owning less but quality "products". From leather shoes to the food from the local farmers. In Eastern Europe these things are still great.

Make wise choices or be stuck in a credit card debt loop. There were some stats that most of the food stamps in the US get spent on Coca Cola and other sugary crap.
 

Aizen

Kingfisher
Consumerism is for mindless idiots. Anyone that buys disposable crap to fill a hole in their life has their work laid out for them. The biggest problem is that people are hooked on buying new things and the dopamine of anticipating the arrival of said new things. To be fair, I've consumed a lot of cheap crap in my life, but it generally served a function, and I tried to make it last. I reckon most people don't give a hoot about this, and will shop til their credit score drops. So how does one fix this crisis?

Simple: Buy high-quality things, and only own a few things in each category. You can buy a $60 H&M jacket that isn't warm and breaks after a season, or you can buy a $600 Moncler jacket that's warm and lasts 20+ years. Not only do you save money when buying high-quality things, you also starve sociopathic corporations - such as H&M, Zara, etc. - who use slave labor and regularly dump toxic waste into the environment. Make quality a priority, and the frequency at which you need to make purchases drops. Can't remember the last time I stepped inside a clothing store - I have everything I need, and I know it'll last.

Clothing is just an example, as this principle applies to everything. Quality over all.
 
$600 somebrand Jacket sounds a lot like the Gucci, Prada etc designer hype. There are people out there who think they are better than others cos they wear expensive clothing, have expensive cars etc. That's just consumerism to me. Dont think I would feel comfortable around someone spending that much on a Jacket, would probably exclude from social gatherings and such if I could.
 
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