The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

Paracelsus

Crow
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Easy_C said:
“Mafia bosses consider their cities as their own fiefdom,” Gratteri said. “The bosses know very well that in order to govern, they need to take care of the people in their territory. And they do it by exploiting the situation to their advantage. In the people’s eyes, a boss who knocks on the door offering free food is a hero. And the boss knows that he can then count on the support of these families when necessary, when, for example, the mafia sponsors a politician for election who will further their criminal interests.”
So....Let me put on my dusty old Military “Advisor” hat here.

This is bad news. VERY bad news.

The reason why the Afghan government failed had a lot of factors but it came down to one end result: they were unable to take care of their population even remotely as well as the Taliban did which meant that people, villages, and tribes would almost always side with the Taliban if forced to choose and were far more loyal to the Taliban.


So cross of one more pre-requisite condition needed to reach the “Western civilization collapsed” state of affairs. Said condition is: People are more loyal local strongmen than they are the society.
It's more re-emergence of a phenomenon in Italy and Sicily because the Mafia - in either its Italian or Sicilian forms - has been filling the role of situational strongman for around for a hundred years if not more.

In the first half of the 19th century, Italy had its chaotic and disorganised version of the French Revolution in what was called the Risorgamento, the fusing of all the small Italian duchies, city-states, and the Papal States into the single nation of Italy, mainly out of the fact they'd had about enough of being ruled by the Austrians.

It wasn't anywhere near as clean or simple a process as, say, the US breakaway from England, or the French revolution, because Italian provinces were much more independently-minded and had their own cultures to some extent. That's why you can go across Italy and find literally fifty different ways of doing a pasta sauce; it's because the bonds between people of the same province override wider patriotism, ask an Italian what the word paisano means and you'll get a sense of it.

As said, it wasn't clean, and it took the fall of noble houses which had been in authority over different areas for hundreds of years. (see the Sicilian novel The Leopard for a good look at the period). And there was chaos. Out of this chaos came the Mafia: the Cosa Nostra as they call themselves in Sicily, groups of former bandits and criminals hired to keep order when nobody else could, or who formed to keep order when no one else could.

So if the Mafia is back in business as foodrunners, that is not too different from how they originated back in Western Sicily.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.tag...ten-lehren-der-heinsberg-studie/25730138.html

Article in German about a representative survey amongst 1000 inhabitants of Heinsfeld, one of the first ans hardest hit regions in Germany

About 15 percent of the general population came out with antibodies in their system. Which means that they have already been infected

Which with the current numbers in place that puts the death rate in this town at 0,37 percent


It turns this was overhyped from the start.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Paracelsus said:
That's why you can go across Italy and find literally fifty different ways of doing a pasta sauce; it's because the bonds between people of the same province override wider patriotism, ask an Italian what the word paisano means and you'll get a sense of it.
Reminds me of this:

"How can anyone govern a nation that has 246 different kinds of cheese?"
- Charles de Gaulle
Sorry for the off-topic.
 

Paracelsus

Crow
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La Águila Negra said:
https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.tag...ten-lehren-der-heinsberg-studie/25730138.html

Article in German about a representative survey amongst 1000 inhabitants of Heinsfeld, one of the first ans hardest hit regions in Germany

About 15 percent of the general population came out with antibodies in their system. Which means that they have already been infected

Which with the current numbers in place that puts the death rate in this town at 0,37 percent


It turns this was overhyped from the start.
The very fact that study involves roughly 1,000 participants from one isolated part of a single, roughly homogenous culture says to me that you can pretty much use the results of that survey as toilet paper.

I notice that despite them saying they had "over 1,000 participants", the same bloody article says "The data had been collected in the past ten days. The interim results of the representative study now presented are based on evaluations of 509 people to date."

p values, anyone? Law of Large Numbers? According to what brain-dead theory of statistics is this a "representative" group? Or are we going for linear regression of IQ as well as of statistical results?
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
@ Paracelsus

You are right, studies with more participants are needed. But until those studies are being held we'll have to go with methodically impure and therefor possibly biased studies

To me this study is a clear indication that Covid19 is not nearly as lethal as has been said before

But before that there is legislation to be passed! The ESM bailout fund, a yet to be named emergency fund and the European Investment Bank are already there. Much more is to come..
 
Coronavirus: Face Mask Mandate Goes Into Effect In Los Angeles

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) — The mandate to wear face masks and coverings is now in effect at all Los Angeles essential businesses.

Non-medical grade masks or face coverings are now required in order to visit an essential business, such as a grocery store. The order also applies to front-line workers who continue to work at restaurants and other businesses that remain open during the coronavirus outbreak.

Under the order, people must cover their noses and mouths while still keeping a distance of 6 feet from others. Business may refuse entry to anyone not wearing a face covering as of Friday.
The CDC, however, says children under the age of 2 should not wear cloth coverings on their faces.

The use of masks, even non-medical grade ones, has become more widespread as health experts have found COVID-19 continues to spread because many people are infected, but are asymptomatic.

Riverside County was first to mandate that members of the public cover their faces. Masks are also being ordered worn in public in San Bernardino County, but while Orange County’s top public health officials strongly recommend their use, they are not required in Orange County.

Face mask requirements will also go into effect at midnight in Burbank and Beverly Hills, where the face coverings are even mandated for residents simply walking through the neighborhood. Carson voted Tuesday to require them in public and USC is also requiring masks in all of its campus’s public areas.

Los Angeles City Councilman Herb Wesson is offering free face coverings to his constituents in the South LA area at herbwesson.com/masks. They will be distributed on a first come, first served basis.
 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member
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After a viral video shows a man being dragged off a bus, SEPTA reverses its coronavirus face mask requirement
by Patricia Madej, Updated: April 10, 2020- 5:23 PM

SEPTA says it will no longer enforce a short-lived policy requiring riders to wear facial coverings after a widely shared video showing a man being dragged off a bus, allegedly for not wearing one, prompted confusion about whether masks were mandatory while riding public transit.

The video shows several Philadelphia police officers forcibly removing the man, who is later heard saying he was taken off the bus for not wearing a mask.

Philadelphia police responded to “calls of a disturbance” near 11th and Market Streets about 8:25 a.m. Friday after a passenger was repeatedly asked to leave the bus and refused. The passenger was not arrested or cited, according to police. The incident is under investigation.

“The police were responding to the fact that the person was asked to leave the bus and refused,” Managing Director Brian Abernathy said during the city’s news conference Friday. “I would expect my officers to continue to do that and support our SEPTA workers.”

SEPTA said it’s no longer enforcing a facial covering requirement that went into effect Thursday, and will not deny entry to passengers who are not wearing a mask or covering. When it announced its new “lifeline” schedule this week, SEPTA said it was asking all riders to wear masks or facial coverings for the safety of riders and employees.

“We didn’t do a good enough job notifying the public about this,” SEPTA spokesperson Andrew Busch said Friday.

The video was quickly spread on social media, where users sought clarification.

Health Commissioner Thomas Farley said at a news conference earlier this week that the city “would strongly recommend” riders wear masks when taking public transportation.

“Remember, wearing a mask is about really protecting the people around you, and you’re around people when you’re in a bus or in a subway,” he said.
https://www.inquirer.com/transportation/septa-face-masks-requirement-coronavirus-20200410.html
 

The Wire

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Not surprised. As I stated earlier America is far from totalitarian state compared to the past as evidence that you can get change like this with a simple cell phone video.
 

Horus

Ostrich
Gold Member
The Philippines is facing rice shortages within a few months after Vietnam, which is their main supplier, stopped rice exports. This will be a bigger disaster for them than the virus itself. It won't be long before many more countries are in the same situation, despite all the current assurances that for supplies are secure.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/03/27/2003632/philippines-rice-inventory-peril-vietnam-reduces-exports

If you don't have enough food in your cupboard to last a few months, you're a damned fool.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
USA now the world leader in coronavirus deaths with over 2000 deaths per day and almost 19,000 total:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-coronavirus-death-toll-passing-italy

A pretty grim study came out in Nature journal positing that COVID-19 attacks the immune system as well:

Nature said:
SARS-CoV-2 infects T lymphocytes through its spike protein-mediated membrane fusion

To address this question, we evaluated the susceptibility of T lymphocytes to SARS-CoV-2 infection. To accomplish this, pseudotyped SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 were packaged based on methods described previously.7 The pseudoviruses could infect permissive cells (293T/ACE2 and Huh7 cells) expressing the ACE2 receptor, but could not infect nonpermissive cells (HeLa cells) (Fig. 1a). We used pseudovirus with equal infectivity to 293T/ACE2 cells (Fig. 1c) to infect two T lymphocyte cell lines, MT-2 and A3.01, with very low, or close to negative, expression level of hACE2 mRNA (Fig. 1b). Surprisingly, over several replicates, we saw that the T-cell lines were significantly more sensitive to SARS-CoV-2 infection when compared with SARS-CoV (Fig. 1c).

In other words, these results tell us that T lymphocytes may be more permissive to SARS-CoV-2 infection and less permissive for SARS-CoV infection, similar to the findings in a previous study.6 Therefore, it is plausible that the S protein of SARS-CoV-2 might mediate potent infectivity, even on cells expressing low hACE2, which would, in turn, explain why the transmission rate of SARS-CoV-2 is so high. It is also possible that other receptors mediate the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into T cells, such as CD147, present on the surface of T lymohocytes,8 which was recently reported to be a novel invasive route for SARS-CoV-2.9




Based on the results of pseudovirus and live virus infection, here we proved that (1) SARS-CoV-2 could infect T cells, (2) SARS-CoV-2 infected T cells through receptor-dependent, S protein-mediated membrane fusion, and (3) infection could be inhibited by EK1 peptide. However, we observed a very low expression level of hACE2 in T cells; therefore, we further proposed that a novel receptor might mediate SARS-CoV-2 entry into T cells. Similar to MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2 infection of T cells is abortive. A recent study reported that viral reads barely displayed in PBMC samples from COVID-19 patients through transcriptome sequencing of RNAs. Thus, it was inferred that SARS-CoV-2 could not infect PBMCs.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9
 

Johnnyvee

Pelican
La Águila Negra said:
https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.tag...ten-lehren-der-heinsberg-studie/25730138.html

Article in German about a representative survey amongst 1000 inhabitants of Heinsfeld, one of the first ans hardest hit regions in Germany

About 15 percent of the general population came out with antibodies in their system. Which means that they have already been infected

Which with the current numbers in place that puts the death rate in this town at 0,37 percent


It turns this was overhyped from the start.
Agree that it`s somewhat overhyped, but I still think it`s gonna get quite bad in the US and UK. Mostly due to the prevalence of obesity/metabolic derangement. The combination of;

-High inflammation/high insulin levels and the resulting immune suppression. (NLRP3, NAD+, Sirtuins, FOXO, autophagy and other things)

-Glycated (by sugars) hemoglobin (oxygen carrying protein) and a nutrient poor diet. Including a lack of heme-iron which is knocked out of red blood cells by the virus, and also reduced in nutrient/animal product poor diets like with diabetics, adds to the risk of severe disease and death. Red meat/organ meat is rich in heme-iron btw.

-In addition to that you have things like drug use, homelessness and vaping to add to the problem. No doubt that this will be used for what it`s worth in order to replace Trump with a senile old(er) man. Of course these issues can`t be blamed on any one President/administration alone, but must be seen as a more systemic problem that has existed for a long time.
 
MRAll134 said:
One of the biggest meatpackers has gone down in Colorado. A 6k employee facility is having trouble staying open, after several workers get sick. If the food supply goes down, civilization is not far behind:

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...s-pence-and-trump-acknowledge-outbreak-at-jbs
I dont think the food supply will go down in the US. The workers can start to wear hazmat suites/goggles/n95 masks if anything or hire people who already recovered from the coronavirus to meatpack. I am reading articles that they are dumping milk out in pastures and farmers are tossing crops because the restaurants aren’t using anywhere near the food supply they did before so it’s way over produced.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html

Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic



" ...weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.

The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.

The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week

Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb."

https://departabroad.com/2020/04/du...plowed-vegetables-food-waste-of-the-pandemic/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
 
Question: Does anyone have a brand/model recommendation for a blood Oximeter? It seems like a very helpful tool to have in the home. I want a high-quality, accurate one. I don't want to take the risk and get a bad reading on a crappy one. Suggestions are most appreciated.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
TravelingBodybuilder said:
MRAll134 said:
One of the biggest meatpackers has gone down in Colorado. A 6k employee facility is having trouble staying open, after several workers get sick. If the food supply goes down, civilization is not far behind:

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...s-pence-and-trump-acknowledge-outbreak-at-jbs
I dont think the food supply will go down in the US. The workers can start to wear hazmat suites/goggles/n95 masks if anything or hire people who already recovered from the coronavirus to meatpack. I am reading articles that they are dumping milk out in pastures and farmers are tossing crops because the restaurants aren’t using anywhere near the food supply they did before so it’s way over produced.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html

Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic



" ...weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.

The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.

The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week

Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb."

https://departabroad.com/2020/04/du...plowed-vegetables-food-waste-of-the-pandemic/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
I agree, lets not get crazy here. Food, in America, may get more expensive but its not going to run out. Here in Wisconsin farmers are pouring out thousands of gallons of milk on the ground. American farms run a huge export market, if it was only required to serve the domestic supply, we could still handle a lot more farms going out of business.

If you are concerned, buy into a local farm coop or farm share. It reduces the supply chain down to 1 link...the farm, and you.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Just when we thought we knew all the Wuhan Virus symptoms. To be fair, though, what kind of plague lacks skin eruptions? Yea, just like the flu. :tard:

Dermatologists in France Report COVID-19 Symptoms on Skin
By Lynn Allison | Thursday, 09 April 2020 04:57 PM

We know fever, fatigue, a dry cough, and shortness of breath are the most common symptoms of the COVID-19 virus, but now dermatologists in France have found the virus can cause unusual manifestations on the skin that might signal infection.

According to the New York Post, the French National Union of Dermatologists-Venereologists (SNDV), found dermatological signs like pseudo-frostbite, hives, and persistent redness have been associated with COVID-19. The sudden redness can be painful, said the doctors.

"We are alerting the public and the medical profession in order to detect these potentially contagious patients as quickly as possible," the SNDV said in a press release.

The doctors advised patients to seek medical consultations in the event they experience such symptoms.

According to The Hospitalist, skin manifestations were also observed in one-fifth of a group of patients with COVID-19 in the Alessandro Manzoni Hospital in Lecco, in northern Italy.

Dermatologists were pulled from their regular duties to observe the unusual symptoms in 148 COVID-19 patients. They found 20.5% developed skin manifestations, according to The Hospitalist.

Some patients exhibited skin eruptions at the onset of the disease while others developed them after hospitalization. The doctors found that 78% of the patients with skin symptoms had red rashes while others had widespread urticaria — round, red welts on the skin that can itch intensely. The trunk of the body was the most commonly affected area.

In the U.S., Randy Jacobs, MD, an assistant clinical professor of dermatology at the University of California, Riverdale, confirmed we have seen similar symptoms here in America, says The Hospitalist.

"Many have wondered if COVID-19 presents with any particular skin changes," he said. "The answer is yes."

Jacobs had a 67-year-old patient come in with a painful purple ulcer, called a livedoid vascular eruption on his right thigh, and blood in his urine. His COVID-19 test came back positive and then he developed the typical signs of dry cough and hacking.

According to the Post, if you are experiencing any sort of skin issue, you should contact your doctor because all dermatological matters need to be treated regardless of other medical conditions.
https://www.newsmax.com/health/heal...=DM103191_04112020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101024ft383
 

Mountaineer

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Although I'm no prophet to predict what this virus will turn out to be but for now I call bullshit. France first to notice this, riiiiiiight. This could be an allergic reaction to anything they're using. I want to know what they gave to this patient.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
The moment that everybody knew would come: the vibrants in Brussels have started smashing up police cars. Two days ago a 19 year old guy died in an accident that involved a cop car. Apparantly he sped away from a police control and was hit by a police car approaching from the other side whilst overtaking a van

Ramadan is just around the corner. I strongly suspect they will ease the nationwide restrictions just before the start of Ramadan, or they will silently turn a blind eye to any social gatherings in vibrant areas

 
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