The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

Emancipator

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Blade Runner said:
The Stanford antibody test is a death blow to the narrative. See my post on the criticisms thread. These facts combined with the not-even-close predictions and constant revisions of all the models, the incentives to call covid19 the contributor or frank cause of death, and the actual flat out presumption (kind rendering) or lying about sars-cov-2 as the attributable agent, show that if you aren't convinced you care nothing about logic or evidence.

Given what we have always said about this being a respiratory illness akin to bad (at worst) seasonal influenza, and the draconian measures taken to ruin people and increase central planning/control, this is easily the biggest nothing burger or hoax arguably ever perpetrated on the peoples of the modern world. Global warming/Climate change never even sniffed these levels of disruption and centralized tyranny.
I brought up attention and issues to the Sanford study just a page earlier:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782-post-2081547.html#pid2081547

I've said before

In some ways governmental responses to coronavirus mirror the immune systems of people who die from the disease.
They are so slow to respond in the beginning that the virus establishes a strong foot hold that is difficult to eliminate, and then they overreact causing most of the damage with their own immune system.


Of course for a novel virus a great deal of caution should be exercised. The same "Wuhan Protocols" as Simeon put it is exactly why, they threw the kitchen sink since no one knew how to deal with it. Italy (since Iran has been useless) panic and acted on the data available, and other countries worked and improved on their success and failures.

Very good presser by Trump and Birx so far, good move to have Birx address the China numbers, the left wouldn't dare criticize their beloved SCIENTIST
Same thing pointing out that Dems have been way too authoritarian "People shouldn't be forced what to do, they'll do the right thing"
Trump is on fire today
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

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The whole "Wuhan protocol" theory is just a fantasy that Simeon cooked up after his ridiculous theories that no extra deaths were happening were thoroughly demolished by the data. Patients that enter the ARDS stage already have a 40% base mortality rate, meaning that if they were miraculously cured of whatever caused ARDS right that second, they would still have a 40% chance of dying (usually from multiple organ failure caused by disrupted breathing). Add the virus which continues to cause damage along with the ARDS it already caused, and it climbs to 100%.

The survival rate of patients on ventilators is poor - ranging from 15% to 50% depending on the study - but it's certainly much better than the baseline 0%.

“If you’re sick enough to be on a ventilator, you’re automatically in a critical situation,” said Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer for the American Lung Association. “The chances of you surviving that event are limited. But they’re not necessarily as limited as people are talking about.”
As Doubting Thomas put it earlier, the survival rate of patients on ventilators is poor, but if you get to that stage and there's no ventilator to help you, you're doomed anyway.
 
The Wuhan protocol is real as even in Germany doctors report higher survival rates of elderly patients who refused intubation, but they sparingly use antivirals there. What kills them exactly remains to be seen - they will likely not even report on it years later.

There are even expert MDs going out saying something else than a virus is causing all of it - this is the most logical I saw:


Even if they find this to be true, then you won't see the truth unless the globalists are toppled in decades or centuries and historians care to go into the gist of things.

But please do continue to go into the series of compliance tests while cowering in fear.
 

Going strong

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As I suspected weeks ago ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782-post-2076410.html?highlight=Dogs#pid2076410) , #orangeCorona dogs are indeed coming into play, soon.

Probably starting this Summer, the police will reportedly send their dogs to sniff your backsides in the streets, "to determine who's a hidden coronavirus super-spreader" :s Because, like, the dogs can smell the tiny #orange virus from within our cells :tard:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dogs-may-help-solve-the-virus-testing-problem
Labradors and spaniels can sniff out malaria in humans, and scientists say we may be just weeks away from unleashing them to spot virus superspreaders.
"sniff out unwitting carriers at airports and rail stations. Capable of screening thousands of people per day, the dogs could be a key tool for getting daily life back to normal quickly and safely."

The Establishment is indeed tripping on humiliating us. Locking us all under house arrest, forcing masks unto our faces, and now, we can be stopped at any time, and dragged to a hospital just because some dog smelt #orangeCorona on us.

Police dogs used to be for sending drug mules to jail, now they shall send "coronavirus spreaders" straight to hospitals!
 

Emancipator

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Others will revise Coronavirus death tolls like China: WHO

The World Health Organization has said that many countries would likely follow China in revising up their death tolls once they start getting the coronavirus crisis under control. Wuhan, the COVID-19 epicentre, admitted missteps in tallying its death toll, abruptly raising the city’s count by 50 percent — following growing world doubts about Chinese transparency over the outbreak.

The WHO said on Friday Wuhan had been overwhelmed by the virus, which emerged in the city in December, and the authorities had been too swamped to ensure every death and infection was properly recorded.


“This is something that is a challenge in an ongoing outbreak: to identify all of your cases and all of your deaths,” Maria van Kerkhove, the WHO’s COVID-19 technical lead, told a virtual press conference in Geneva.

“I would anticipate that many countries are going to be in a similar situation where they will have to go back and review records and look to see: did we capture all of them?” She said the Wuhan authorities had now reviewed their databases and cross-checked for discrepancies.

Wuhan added 1,290 deaths to its toll, raising the total to 3,869, and added a further 325 cases, bringing the number of infections to 50,333. Van Kerkhove said that because Wuhan’s healthcare system was swamped, some patients died at home; others were in makeshift facilities; and that medics, focused on treating patients, therefore did not do the paperwork on time.

So-called wet markets in China have been in the spotlight since the virus emerged, with some blaming them as the source of COVID-19
Wet markets are popular venues to buy fresh meat, vegetables and fish across Asia — most selling common, everyday produce to locals at affordable prices, with some selling live animals, and sometimes wildlife.

Tedros said they were an important source of food and work for millions, but they were too often poorly regulated and maintained. “WHO’s position is that when these markets are allowed to reopen, it should only be on the condition that they conform to stringent food safety and hygiene standards,” he said.
“Governments must rigorously enforce bans on the sale and trade of wildlife for food.” An estimated 70 percent of all new viruses in humans come from other species, he added.

https://www.financialexpress.com/li...ronavirus-death-tolls-like-china-who/1932324/
:mindblown2:

They are still going out of their way to defend China and Dear Xi
 
Going strong said:
As I suspected weeks ago ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782-post-2076410.html?highlight=Dogs#pid2076410) , #orangeCorona dogs are indeed coming into play, soon.

Probably starting this Summer, the police will reportedly send their dogs to sniff your backsides in the streets, "to determine who's a hidden coronavirus super-spreader" :s Because, like, the dogs can smell the tiny #orange virus from within our cells :tard:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dogs-may-help-solve-the-virus-testing-problem
Labradors and spaniels can sniff out malaria in humans, and scientists say we may be just weeks away from unleashing them to spot virus superspreaders.
"sniff out unwitting carriers at airports and rail stations. Capable of screening thousands of people per day, the dogs could be a key tool for getting daily life back to normal quickly and safely."

The Establishment is indeed tripping on humiliating us. Locking us all under house arrest, forcing masks unto our faces, and now, we can be stopped at any time, and dragged to a hospital just because some dog smelt #orangeCorona on us.

Police dogs used to be for sending drug mules to jail, now they shall send "coronavirus spreaders" straight to hospitals!
It's bullshit - malaria is caused by a parasite that may emit a certain odor, but viruses are thousands - and covid mutates. Even the claims of a vaccine against this is bullshit, let alone virus sniffing dogs.

Utter and complete bullshit....

They will change and impose controls forever. Congrats to anyone believing in that bullshit.



Roosh compares it to a medical gulag and it's a fitting description.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

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Simeon_Strangelight said:
The Wuhan protocol is real as even in Germany doctors report higher survival rates of elderly patients who refused intubation, but they sparingly use antivirals there. What kills them exactly remains to be seen - they will likely not even report on it years later.
So I searched and searched and searched and searched and searched and searched... and found exactly 2 mentions of "Wuhan protocol" related to COVID-19 on the entire internet:

1) An article from India which refers to "Wuhan protocol" in the context of testing, contact tracing and mandatory isolation - nothing to do with ventilators or antivirals
2) A cardiology article discussing best treatment (thrombolytics) in cases of heart failure caused by COVID-19 - nothing to do with ventilators or antivirals

There is zero indication that China is somehow forcing countries to intubate patients, let alone that this treatment is killing anyone.

As for Germany, every single article that I've read about their COVID-19 treatment states that their low mortality rate is due to Germany managing the spread better with effective testing and contact tracing, and having more beds and - imagine the irony - ventilators.
 

Emancipator

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Guys can we please keep this thread focused on the Pandemic, those type of posts can go in the other one.

WHO Blocked Doctors From Urging Border Controls to Stop Spread of Coronavirus
https://summit.news/2020/04/15/who-...order-controls-to-stop-spread-of-coronavirus/

The World Health Organization blocked doctors from urging countries to impose border controls to stop the spread of coronavirus, it has been revealed.

While the organization was demanding countries impose zero border controls, it was also campaigning against the profiling of international travelers in order to prevent the “stigmatization” of Chinese people (hurt feelings).

We first reported on the WHO telling countries not to impose travel bans back at the end of January, when the organization released a statement urging against “any travel or trade restriction” while demanding countries not engage in “discrimination” in their handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

In early February, Director-General of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus re-iterated this in a statement in which he said that travel restrictions “can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma.”

Right up until the end of February, the WHO continued “to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks,” despite the rapid spread of the disease.

It has now been revealed that medical experts who were urging countries to impose border controls were silenced.

“[WHO] actually decided not to go ahead with [travel ban recommendations] and not declare a global health emergency but there were a few dissenting voices,” reported Sky News Australia.

“So the official meeting records say there was a divergence of views but they won’t actually go into detail about who was trying to block it. But there were doctors there who wanted to issue travel bans and the World Health Organization blocked it.”

The effort to silence medical professionals from urging countries to enact travel bans was made on January 30 during a meeting of WHO bureaucrats and health experts in Geneva, Switzerland.

A Mount Sinai study found that New York City’s record-high coronavirus cases and deaths were “predominately” due to travel from Europe, meaning that many more lives could have been saved if borders had been closed down earlier.

But instead, the WHO insisted that maintaining the globalist principle of the international traffic of people was more important than stopping a global pandemic.
 

CynicalContrarian

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The quasi-religion of vaccines won't want to hear this... :

Here's Why A Coronavirus Vaccine Might Not Happen Within 18 Months

With much of the world under some form of lockdown to slow the spread of COVID-19, and debates rage over when, and how, to reopen the global economy in order to avoid the next great depression, the light at the end of the tunnel has been top-down predictions of a vaccine within 18 months.
JPMorgan, for example, makes a core assumption that "it could take 12-16 months for a vaccine to be under mass production," and that the US will go through cycles of increased distancing measures followed by virus flare-ups, which require more lockdowns.

Yet after bold predictions and vaccines rumored to be 'just around the corner,' Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease who sits on President Trump's coronavirus task force, offered a less enthusiastic view - saying in early March that a vaccine might be available in 12 - 18 months.

"The whole process is going to take a year, a year and a half, at least," said Fauci.

And while Fauci has been accused of fear mongering - relying on wildly-pessimistic models while advising President Trump on lockdown measures, he may have been wise to downplay the vaccine timeline.
According to a new report by Australia's ABC, the creation of a vaccine may be incredibly difficult for several reasons, as this particular coronavirus is 'posing challenges that scientists haven't dealt with before.'
According to Ian Frazer of the University of Queensland - who was involved in the creation of the HPV vaccine, coronaviruses are particularly difficult to create safe vaccines before because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't particularly adept at protecting.

There are several reasons why our upper respiratory tract is a hard area to target a vaccine.
"It's a separate immune system, if you like, which isn't easily accessible by vaccine technology," Professor Frazer told the Health Report.
Despite your upper respiratory tract feeling very much like it's inside your body, it's effectively considered an external surface for the purposes of immunisation.
"It's a bit like trying to get a vaccine to kill a virus on the surface of your skin." -ABC News
In other words, because the upper respiratory tract is effectively "outside" of the body, and the outer layer of (epithelial) cells in the tract is our natural barrier to viruses, it's difficult to produce an immune response which can reach them.
Complicating matters is that if a vaccine causes an immune response that doesn't benefit the target cells, the result could potentially be worse than no vaccine at all.

"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," said Frazer. "So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."

Antibodies, meanwhile, don't last forever
The human immune system releases antibodies to neutralize threats such as viruses. With the coronavirus, those who have been infected have shown varying degrees of antibody production - with some weak and some strong. That said, antibodies don't last forever.
"Yes, you get antibodies after a [cold] infection, and yes it lasts for a while, but it's not lifelong... sort of months rather than years," said Frazer. "I think it would be fair to say that the natural immunity that you get after infection from this coronavirus is probably going to turn out like the coronaviruses we've seen in the past."

That said, "The good news is that if you get reinfected with the virus a second time some months down the track, there will probably be enough immunity there to stop you becoming seriously ill."

Vaccines under development
Current efforts to find a cure have ranged from the use of deactivated virus fragments like we do with influenza, to using mRNA to induce an antibody response. Many will fail before a successful treatment is found, according to the report.

Professor Frazer's prediction is that the most likely candidate will be a vaccine that uses a part of the virus attached to a chemical to induce an immune response, or "subunit" vaccine.
"That [vaccine type] has been successful in animal models for coronaviruses in the past and that is of course where the money is being put in large measure at the moment," he said.
"Another sort of vaccine would be just antibody transferred from somebody who had been infected already and had got rid of the infection.
"Which would be an immunological means of preventing infection, and could probably be more quickly developed than an actual vaccine."
This sort of vaccine was tested with SARS in 2003 and resulted in reinfected lab monkeys having a nasty immune response, which is why many groups working on a vaccine for Sars-CoV-2 are going for a very specific antibody response.
Professor Frazer said the narrow, targeted approach is fine, unless you pick the wrong specific antigen — the substance that stimulates an immune response which antibodies bind to — in which case you could end up with the same problem. -ABC News
Perhaps the best minds in the world focusing all of their efforts on COVID-19 will be able to crack the code and develop a successful vaccine. Then again, we also don't have vaccines against HIV and cancer despite decades of efforts.
"I think it would be fair to say even if we get something which looked quite encouraging in animals, the safety trials in humans will have to be fairly extensive before we would think about vaccinating a group of people who have not yet been exposed to the virus," according to Frazer.
"They might hope to get protection but certainly wouldn't be keen to accept a possibility of really serious side effects if they actually caught the virus."


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/heres-why-coronavirus-vaccine-might-not-happen-anytime-soon
 
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
The whole "Wuhan protocol" theory is just a fantasy that Simeon cooked up after his ridiculous theories that no extra deaths were happening were thoroughly demolished by the data.
"Wuhan Protocol" may be Simeon's phrasing, but the general idea is accurate: Early treatment protocols for Corona, which came out of China, involved extremely aggressive use of ventilators to target the disease, on the theory that it was so scary a ventilator was the only way to survive. But as we're learning the disease is less lethal than thought, doctors are moving away from them, and in the process, saving lives.

Here's a good story from the AP talking about this.

Only a few weeks ago in New York City, coronavirus patients who came in quite sick were routinely placed on ventilators to keep them breathing, said Dr. Joseph Habboushe, an emergency medicine doctor who works in Manhattan hospitals.

But increasingly, physicians are trying other measures first. One is having patients lie in different positions — including on their stomachs — to allow different parts of the lung to aerate better. Another is giving patients more oxygen through nose tubes or other devices. Some doctors are experimenting with adding nitric oxide to the mix, to help improve blood flow and oxygen to the least damaged parts of the lungs.

“If we’re able to make them better without intubating them, they are more likely to have a better outcome — we think,” Habboushe said.
You'll find multiple similar stories if you look.
 

Tail Gunner

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Emancipator said:
Guys can we please keep this thread focused on the Pandemic, those type of posts can go in the other one.

WHO Blocked Doctors From Urging Border Controls to Stop Spread of Coronavirus
https://summit.news/2020/04/15/who-...order-controls-to-stop-spread-of-coronavirus/

The World Health Organization blocked doctors from urging countries to impose border controls to stop the spread of coronavirus, it has been revealed.

While the organization was demanding countries impose zero border controls, it was also campaigning against the profiling of international travelers in order to prevent the “stigmatization” of Chinese people (hurt feelings).

We first reported on the WHO telling countries not to impose travel bans back at the end of January, when the organization released a statement urging against “any travel or trade restriction” while demanding countries not engage in “discrimination” in their handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

In early February, Director-General of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus re-iterated this in a statement in which he said that travel restrictions “can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma.”

Right up until the end of February, the WHO continued “to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks,” despite the rapid spread of the disease.

It has now been revealed that medical experts who were urging countries to impose border controls were silenced.

“[WHO] actually decided not to go ahead with [travel ban recommendations] and not declare a global health emergency but there were a few dissenting voices,” reported Sky News Australia.

“So the official meeting records say there was a divergence of views but they won’t actually go into detail about who was trying to block it. But there were doctors there who wanted to issue travel bans and the World Health Organization blocked it.”

The effort to silence medical professionals from urging countries to enact travel bans was made on January 30 during a meeting of WHO bureaucrats and health experts in Geneva, Switzerland.

A Mount Sinai study found that New York City’s record-high coronavirus cases and deaths were “predominately” due to travel from Europe, meaning that many more lives could have been saved if borders had been closed down earlier.

But instead, the WHO insisted that maintaining the globalist principle of the international traffic of people was more important than stopping a global pandemic.
It is highly ironic, but not surprising, that a global technocracy tasked with preserving health actually did far more harm than good. People may also start to wonder why moronic socialists from third-world hell-holes are almost always installed as the head of such organizations.

This ordeal will likely strike a body blow to many organizations prized by the world elite, including the WHO and the EU.
 
SamuelBRoberts said:
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
The whole "Wuhan protocol" theory is just a fantasy that Simeon cooked up after his ridiculous theories that no extra deaths were happening were thoroughly demolished by the data.
I will state this once and for all - the Wuhan protocol is as presented in the Lancet in papers - treated as gospel. Some countries like the UK have even recommend or even ordered all covid patients to end up on ventilators within 24 hours - nevermind the financial incentives in other countries.

The Wuhan protocol is as described in the early Wuhan studies that were so effective.

And as for you constantly repeating my initial statements regarding the not-yet visible all-cause mortality or other factors - so what? I am not the one who made predictions of millions of dead and the killer-virus that should justify all this shutdown. Those Imperial College studies influenced supposedly the world and to this day they are repeated by governments - are likely the basis for all the hysteria statements here early on. Guess who is further away in their statements and predictions - you or me? I am still millions closer to the reality.

You are in the very real position where your entire panic-making-hysteria narrative crumbles ever more while the reality is being manifested of a totalitarian super-state that will bankrupt and control you all - because of spouting and repeating globalist nonsense.

And honestly - to this day the entire medical establishment has no idea exactly what the heck this does or what it even is, the very Koch postulates are not fulfilled, infection was not even proven under clinical conditions - it could be multiple things with all we know. The main health treatments that are boycotted are hydroxychlorquine/zing or vitamin C while the rest does not seem to be having much effect - with some countries deviating what I dubbed the Wuhan protocol as it was created there. And I do believe that some countries ignored those treatments.

Whatever - you can continue praising the virtues of this totalitarian insanity, continuing to fear-mongering. I am absolutely correct on this immense power-grab. You will wish in the future that most of humanity would have been as pissed about this all as I was early on mistrusting every information there. Fine - you got your strong flu or somewhat above that in some countries (while it's a zero flu in many countries), but can only point to regions in Ecuador or whatever crap to back up your official Gates-narrative. Meanwhile I can point to half the world and even to cities and villages 50 miles away from Bergamo with zero victims.

So believe what you want, your side is in the mythical land of Gates-fairy-talk and justification of every oppressive policy in the book. My side at best had some doubtful statements that mistrusted data until more came out - still no full picture available. In general I was correct - following my view would leave humanity free and prosperous while following your mindset will just enslave mankind.
 

Tail Gunner

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Handsome Creepy Eel said:
There is zero indication that China is somehow forcing countries to intubate patients, let alone that this treatment is killing anyone.
In fact, as I discussed in a previous post, there was a consensus agreement reached by doctors in China, based on various medical studies undertaken there, as to the exact protocol for using chloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. Obviously, that was used prior to the far more drastic step of using a ventilator. To the extent that there was a Chinese first-step protocol, it consisted of those three substances. You can find the exact protocol in the Dr. Klinghardt video that I posted.
 

Paracelsus

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Simeon_Strangelight said:
Going strong said:
As I suspected weeks ago ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782-post-2076410.html?highlight=Dogs#pid2076410) , #orangeCorona dogs are indeed coming into play, soon.

Probably starting this Summer, the police will reportedly send their dogs to sniff your backsides in the streets, "to determine who's a hidden coronavirus super-spreader" :s Because, like, the dogs can smell the tiny #orange virus from within our cells :tard:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dogs-may-help-solve-the-virus-testing-problem
Labradors and spaniels can sniff out malaria in humans, and scientists say we may be just weeks away from unleashing them to spot virus superspreaders.
"sniff out unwitting carriers at airports and rail stations. Capable of screening thousands of people per day, the dogs could be a key tool for getting daily life back to normal quickly and safely."

The Establishment is indeed tripping on humiliating us. Locking us all under house arrest, forcing masks unto our faces, and now, we can be stopped at any time, and dragged to a hospital just because some dog smelt #orangeCorona on us.

Police dogs used to be for sending drug mules to jail, now they shall send "coronavirus spreaders" straight to hospitals!
It's bullshit - malaria is caused by a parasite that may emit a certain odor, but viruses are thousands - and covid mutates. Even the claims of a vaccine against this is bullshit, let alone virus sniffing dogs.

Utter and complete bullshit....
Nope. It's not.

Dogs are frequently used in detection of certain types of cancers - John T Reed had a prostate cancer detected by them, and I would suspect part of the reason dogs are not used more in cancer detection has something to do with your old enemy Big Pharma and its conflict of interest in ordering PSA tests.

But there is evidence suggesting dogs can be trained to detect viruses in subjects as well.

We hypothesized that dogs were able to detect and differentiate BVDV-infected cell cultures utilizing odors associated with different VOC expression patterns. Several recent reports indicate that cellular infections with viruses are associated with unique profiles of VOC (7–10, 17), but no published studies equate these VOC with an odor that is detectable by trained dogs. In this study, we were able to train dogs to discriminate cell cultures infected with BVDV from uninfected cell cultures and from cell cultures infected with one of two other viruses demonstrating the potential to detect the presence of odors associated with a target virus. The detection and discrimination of infected cell cultures by trained dogs supports our hypothesis of a unique odor profile associated with BVDV infection. As detection by the dog is immediate, this method has potential for use in real-time detection of viral pathogens in field situations.

Biochemical mechanisms underlying the release of disease-related VOC are largely unknown (4, 5, 12). No published studies define which, if any, VOC are detectable as an odor by dogs and the identity of the substances which alerted our dogs to infection is speculative. It is possible that VOC profiles associated with viral infections are analogous to the odor profile detected by our dogs. Previous studies demonstrated that compounds induced by pathogen infection may be detected as an odor (11), but current chemical analytical techniques have not defined the full odor profile which would control the alerting behavior of a dog.

Our study utilized purpose-bred detection dogs and training methods proven to be successful for the detection of other target substances, such as explosives. To the best of our knowledge, no previous attempts to detect and discriminate viral targets utilizing trained dogs have been made. The sensitivity and specificity of detection in the current study are similar to studies using dogs to detect the presence of neoplastic disease. Two studies evaluating the ability of dogs to detect prostate cancer-associated compounds in urine have yielded conflicting results. Elliker et al. (18) reported that trained dogs did not generalize on a prostate cancer odor and did not alert to new cancer samples following training on 50 unique prostate cancer samples and 67 controls. However, this study did not use purpose-bred detection dogs and the dogs lacked any previous detection experience. By contrast, Cornu et al. (19) trained a single dog to alert to positive prostate cancer samples with a sensitivity of 0.91. The differing results suggest that training methods, individual canine capabilities, and trial evaluations can affect outcomes and must be rigorous and scientifically sound to allow valid conclusions.
That study was from 2016. It was cited in a later review of the field. That study, in turn, said:

Dogs and analytical chemical instrumentation have verified that pathogens and diseases produce unique VOC signals, which can be detected outside the body. There are many uses for dogs in the detection of pathogens and diseases because of their outstanding mobility and sensory capacity. Increasing knowledge about the detectable odorous volatilome will aid to train dogs to detect specific biomedical targets. By uncovering volatilome characteristics and behaviors, productive search areas and targets will be identified. This will help increase the portfolio of operational uses for detection dogs. Conversely, studying the VOC signatures that control the detection responses of dogs to particular pathogens may inform the design of detection instrumentation.
Dogs can smell viruses. Whether COVID causes the body to produce a particular odor that a dog can be trained to detect is, necessarily, in early days, but I'm surprised someone who's said he's been in the field 30 years has never heard of these facts.
 

Tail Gunner

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Simeon_Strangelight said:
So believe what you want, your side is in the mythical land of Gates-fairy-talk and justification of every oppressive policy in the book. My side at best had some doubtful statements that mistrusted data until more came out - still no full picture available. In general I was correct - following my view would leave humanity free and prosperous while following your mindset will just enslave mankind.
You guys both discuss this issue as if there was some black-and-white solution that was obvious from the start. If only life were that simple.

The socialist scum in our midst will always make a power grab during a panic when conditions are optimum for their thuggery, just as an opportunistic virus will hide in your body and suddenly erupt when your body is weakened by other health issues. That is a separate issue from what is the most prudent course of action when a new and potentially dangerous disease vector suddenly emerges. You should not conflate these two issues, just as you should not refrain from running from a burning building when muggers may lurk outside.
 
Dogs will be able to smell body odors, but not the trillions of viruses. Cancer - sure - there are even some humans who are supposed to be able to smell larger cancers. Diseases that may be caused by viruses may be able to be smelled by dogs - if you exude a special smell after being struck by one specific pathogen.

But this is frankly too close to a cold-virus and mutates constantly - the symptoms are myriad, so I doubt that they will be able to train dogs. Though they may be able to train them to sniff out anyone who has any cold/sniffle/sore-throat/upcoming flu - would react to anything. But maybe that is enough for them, because they can then do a more thorough test on that person after the disease-sniffing dog has found you and then they check out whether you have a cold or the invisible enemy - more Orwellian super-control.
 
Tail Gunner said:
Simeon_Strangelight said:
So believe what you want, your side is in the mythical land of Gates-fairy-talk and justification of every oppressive policy in the book. My side at best had some doubtful statements that mistrusted data until more came out - still no full picture available. In general I was correct - following my view would leave humanity free and prosperous while following your mindset will just enslave mankind.
You guys both discuss this issue as if there was some black-and-white solution that was obvious from the start. If only life were that simple.

The socialist scum in our midst will always make a power grab during a panic when conditions are optimum for their thuggery, just as an opportunistic virus will hide in your body and suddenly erupt when your body is weakened by other health issues. That is a separate issue from what is the most prudent course of action when a new and potentially dangerous disease vector suddenly emerges. You should not conflate these two issues, just as you should not refrain from running from a burning building when muggers may lurk outside.
If it was spread on order above to achieve their agenda, then it matters especially since this looks ever more than being not more dangerous than a strong flu season in some countries. If humankind hadn't done anything special, then it would be gone in 4-6 weeks with maybe having experienced some spike, but it was likely exacerbated by the insane treatment and response of China - a response that happened at the very peak according to epidemiologists, so it would have been gone in 2 weeks without any lockdowns. We can argue why so many poeple died incertain areas in Italy while miles away hardly anyone was infected.

Either way - it matters what it was when it was deliberate. I get what you say - you think that this is the super-killer-mega-virus (which it cannot be according to new data) and the response was justified, they just abuse the just and true response.

NO - I don't think that they care about the deaths of 75+ year olds and they certainly would not close down countries where the cases are not even there. The Chinese would never have declared a pandemic after 50 cases.

They likely picked a pathogen that was somewhat dangerous when treated badly, possibly deliberately did not treat it well to raise the mortality, then made it all worse by stupid methods which would prolong it, because a quick sharp pandemic for 4-6 weeks would be too short to ram through all the agenda points. Sorry - this IS A PLANNED PANDEMIC where the virus is the least of your problem.
 

Going strong

Crow
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Paracelsus said:
Simeon_Strangelight said:
Going strong said:
As I suspected weeks ago ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782-post-2076410.html?highlight=Dogs#pid2076410) , #orangeCorona dogs are indeed coming into play, soon.

Probably starting this Summer, the police will reportedly send their dogs to sniff your backsides in the streets, "to determine who's a hidden coronavirus super-spreader" :s Because, like, the dogs can smell the tiny #orange virus from within our cells :tard:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dogs-may-help-solve-the-virus-testing-problem
Labradors and spaniels can sniff out malaria in humans, and scientists say we may be just weeks away from unleashing them to spot virus superspreaders.
"sniff out unwitting carriers at airports and rail stations. Capable of screening thousands of people per day, the dogs could be a key tool for getting daily life back to normal quickly and safely."

The Establishment is indeed tripping on humiliating us. Locking us all under house arrest, forcing masks unto our faces, and now, we can be stopped at any time, and dragged to a hospital just because some dog smelt #orangeCorona on us.

Police dogs used to be for sending drug mules to jail, now they shall send "coronavirus spreaders" straight to hospitals!
It's bullshit - malaria is caused by a parasite that may emit a certain odor, but viruses are thousands - and covid mutates. Even the claims of a vaccine against this is bullshit, let alone virus sniffing dogs.

Utter and complete bullshit....
Nope. It's not.

Dogs are frequently used in detection of certain types of cancers - [However, this study did not use purpose-bred detection dogs and the dogs lacked any previous detection experience. By contrast, Cornu et al. (19) trained a single dog to alert to positive prostate cancer samples with a sensitivity of 0.91. The differing results suggest that training methods, individual canine capabilities, and trial evaluations can affect outcomes and must be rigorous and scientifically sound to allow valid conclusions.

The problem is not really whether dogs can or cannot smell your tiny blood cells and the very unlethal microscopic #orangeCorona in them, the problem is that the police will be entitled to detain you and forcefully send you to a hospital, just because a dog apparently disliked your smell.
 
Simeon_Strangelight said:
But this is frankly too close to a cold-virus and mutates constantly - the symptoms are myriad, so I doubt that they will be able to train dogs. Though they may be able to train them to sniff out anyone who has any cold/sniffle/sore-throat/upcoming flu - would react to anything. But maybe that is enough for them, because they can then do a more thorough test on that person after the disease-sniffing dog has found you and then they check out whether you have a cold or the invisible enemy - more Orwellian super-control.
You might be able to train dogs to smell a certain type of necrosis caused by Corona, maybe. Like it attacks a certain lung tissue in a certain way, and when that lung tissue dies it emits a certain scent which the dogs can pick up... or something who knows.

It's kind of irrelevant, because the whole "Use this novel technology to fight corona!" fad is going to come to an abrupt halt when we reopen in a week or two and the expected wave of corpses doesn't occur. All that stuff's gonna have as much value as my old pog collection.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
"Dogs can't smell if someone is infected because viruses are really small."

:laugh:

Somewhere there's a pair of dogs having an argument.

"I'm telling you, Bingo, these humans can tell the difference between a lemon and a lime just by looking at them."

"Shut the fuck up, Spot. That's not even possible. They're both the exact same shade of grey."

Meanwhile I can't think of a more stressful job than walking a cancer-sniffing dog. You'd be strolling through the park and the dog would plant itself down next to some random kid.

"Look mommy! The doggie likes me!"

 
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