The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
A family member has something similar. Difficulty breathing and its not going away. Some flu like symptoms but no fever. Apparently his doctor said that she has seen a couple cases of it. I think he might be back to work soon after almost 2 months of it.
If he is having trouble breathing and it is not going away, then he should invest in a pulse oximeter. It is a convenient tool that can monitor different vital signs, but is most commonly used to measure oxygen saturation. That hydrogen peroxide therapy that I discussed in post number 3,426 is an extremely cost-effective way to get extra oxygen into him.

 

bali

Pigeon
Do you still recommend using Vicks Vapors or Tiger Balm?
Does the putting the Vicks on your feet work to improve
the lung capacity?
They would perform a similar task to the Hydro peroxide?

Should people take Nyquil to combat Covid?
It seems that Nyquil will make you sleep and that could
make someone not able to get help if they stop breathing or
get too much conjestion in their lungs.
Maybe Robittusson would work without being too strong to knock
someone to sleep or a coma.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Do you still recommend using Vicks Vapors or Tiger Balm?
Does the putting the Vicks on your feet work to improve
the lung capacity?
They would perform a similar task to the Hydro peroxide?

Should people take Nyquil to combat Covid?
It seems that Nyquil will make you sleep and that could
make someone not able to get help if they stop breathing or
get too much conjestion in their lungs.
Maybe Robittusson would work without being too strong to knock
someone to sleep or a coma.
What? No. Hydrogen peroxide works on a molecular level releasing an unstable oxygen molecule (H2O2 versus H20) into the human body, allowing the body to heal itself. Ozone works in a very similar fashion (O3 versus O2), but requires an oxygen tank and an ozone generator. You are confusing relief of symptoms with curing the underlying condition. Personally, I do not use any OTC garbage, only natural remedies that help the body heal.
 

budoslavic

Crow
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Troller

Woodpecker
Source:

FBI and DHS warn that Chinese hackers are targeting U.S. COVID research
"The potential theft of this information jeopardizes the delivery of secure, effective, and efficient treatment options," an announcement said.

Meanwhile, Trump and his team are trying to make it look like the U.S. death toll is overestimated by the CDC.
In reality, all the evidence shows that there are at least 30% more deaths than announced.
In fact, this is the case in most countries.
According to official estimates, but kept confidential by the WHO, there are nearly 400,000 deaths worldwide, against 300,000 officially reported; with a margin of error of up to half a million due to lack of data on Africa.

In China, 6 cities were quarantined today according to Chinese social networks. Very little official information confirmed by the government on this subject.

Hong Hong Kong authorities are increasingly concerned about a second wave of the epidemic after two cases of local transmission were confirmed on Wednesday with an unknown origin.

A 14-year-old boy with no underlying health problems died from Kawasaki-like illness likely linked to the new coronavirus, said a London children's hospital.
The teenager was part of a group of eight cases treated at the Evelina London Children's Hospital over a ten-day period in April, according to a report from his medical team published in the newspaper The Lancet.
The 14-year-old spent six days in intensive care at Evelina and tested positive for COVID-19 after his death, the team said.
The hospital has seen about 50 children with the disease, according to medical director Sara Hanna, more than half of whom are still hospitalized.

The Chilean government on Wednesday ordered a new total compulsory quarantine for the capital Santiago, after a peak of 60% of infections in the previous 24 hours.
 

Garuda

Woodpecker
Things are beginning to open up in the Upper Midwest. Note that by not letting the hospitality industry reopen immediately, he is essentially destroying a portion of his voter base. He is also using the meat plant clusters as reason not to let rural areas reopen on their own schedule despite the clusters being made up of only the diversity for miles around.

This article also doesn't state that towns began voting to reopen yesterday, forcing the governor's hand.

https://kstp.com/politics/walz-to-g...on-stay-at-home-order-possible/5728240/?cat=1


Gov. Walz won't extend 'stay at home' order, loosening some restrictions starting Monday
KSTP
Updated: May 13, 2020 07:38 PM
Created: May 13, 2020 05:56 AM

Wednesday evening, Gov. Tim Walz extended Minnesota's peacetime emergency declaration and lifted the 'stay at home' order. However, some restrictions will remain in place.

The peacetime emergency was set to expire on Wednesday — it gives the governor power to issue executive orders and close businesses. It will now run until June 12. The 'stay at home' order had last been extended through Monday. However, some small businesses have already said they would defy the governor's order if it's extended again.

Walz announced the 'stay at home' order will be allowed to expire Monday and a new order that eases restrictions will take effect.
The order will allow people to go out and move freely without making an essential trip to places like a doctor's appointment or a grocery store.

Walz said people will also be able to gather with others in small groups of up to 10 people, and some retail businesses, such as those in malls and main street businesses, will be allowed to reopen up to 50% capacity with some guidelines and plans in place. That will allow up to 37,000 more workers to return to work, according to the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development (DEED). DEED Commissioner Steve Grove directed those wondering if their businesses can reopen under the new order to check MN.gov/DEED/safework.

However, some businesses that have been shuttered will remain under current restrictions. Walz said discussions on reopening those places soon will continue. Walz said he's aiming for places like bars, restaurants, barber shops, salons and fitness centers to reopen on June 1, but nothing is official yet and those discussions will continue.

The governor called the situation fluid and said they'll turn the dial back if necessary. He told Minnesotans, "We must keep this virus at a simmer rather than a boil."

"I am proud of how Minnesotans have stepped up for each other," Walz added, thanking people for both following the 'stay at home' order and also for going above and beyond to do things like make masks for front-line workers.

The governor urged Minnesotans to continue to wear masks when going out and to work from home, if possible. While restrictions are being eased, Walz asked people to not rush right back into things and be careless, but instead asked them to still be cautious, take care of yourself and others because the pandemic isn't over yet. Those in the most vulnerable groups are still urged to stay home and take extra precautions.

"Minnesota is still in the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic and we will be dealing with its impacts for many months," said Minnesota Department of Health Commissioner Jan Malcolm in a statement. "We've made encouraging progress on preparedness and on safeguarding our most vulnerable, and that work will continue. As Governor Walz adjusts the state's response and guidance to meet current and future needs, we will continue to track the course of the pandemic and apply the many things we are learning about the virus and its risks. Our goal is to protect the most vulnerable Minnesotans while also learning how to live with this pandemic until a vaccine becomes widely available."

Walz also said he and health officials will follow three health indicators that could trigger a decision to re-impose restrictions:

  • Number of new COVID-19 cases,
  • Percent of COVID-19 tests that are positive,
  • Percent of COVID-19 cases for which the source of the infection is unknown.
"Minnesotans, thank you for your continued sacrifices," Walz said. "You have saved thousands of lives. You successfully pushed out the peak of this virus and bought our state time to get ready to treat those who fall ill. We know there's no stopping the storm of COVID-19 from hitting Minnesota, but we have made great progress to prepare for it."

Senate Majority Leader Paul Gazelka, R-East Gull Lake, expressed support for Walz's announcement.

"We're moving in the right direction," Gazelka said in a video response. "This is really good news. I'm glad that he listened to us and I feel like we lead the way. Now it's up to us, you and me, that we practice safe distancing. I have every confidence we're going to be able to do it. Minnesota is back on track."

“All Minnesotans owe a duty of care to each other,” added House Speaker Melissa Hortman, DFL-Brooklyn Park. “We have a responsibility to be considerate of each other and do the things that are smart and proven to reduce transmission of this deadly disease. Minnesotans have trusted Governor Walz through this crisis and he has done an excellent job. Now he is putting his trust and his faith in the people of Minnesota. I hope Minnesotans show him that his trust was warranted. The Minnesota House of Representatives will continue to focus on legislation to provide Minnesotans with greater economy security during this pandemic.”

In speaking with reporters after his announcement, the governor answered some questions about the announcement, including:

  • Walz noted that the new modeling data unveiled earlier Wednesday was just one of the things they looked at in making the decision to ease more restrictions, including lifting the 'stay at home' order. He pointed out that the data shows the best method would've been to keep a 'stay at home' order in place until September, but he noted there are other factors that have to be taken into account.

  • As for why rural areas aren't being allowed to reopen more quickly or have fewer restrictions, Walz pointed to Nobles and Stearns counties being some of the highest-impacted counties in the state. He added that while some rural counties don't have many cases confirmed, they don't test everyone and many cases are likey unconfirmed. That, combined with the fact that there aren't as many ventilators and as much hospital capacity in rural areas puts them at risk for quicker outbreaks could quickly overwhelm the health care systems.

  • Walz also noted that some people, such as the Minnesota Nurses Association, won't be in favor of easing more restrictions. The governor called it a fine line to walk and said while it'd be best to keep things closed down they have to take other things, such as the effect on businesses and the economy, into account. Walz added that they'll still be closely watching for further outbreaks and the need to possibly dial things back, but noted the state has built up a good supply of personal protective equipment and supplies that gives them hope they'll be able to keep things on "simmer" rather than a "fast boil."
The Republican-controlled Minnesota Senate passed legislation earlier this week that would allow more small businesses to open, although its chances for passing the DFL-led House of Representatives are slim.

Earlier, on the Senate floor, Republicans had expressed the frustration coming from many businesses that have been forced to cease operations.

"Whether are big money, big box or they're little money, little box — that lack of fairness — everybody cares. Big box cares, little boxes cares, we all care," said Sen. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake.

House Minority Leader Kurt Daudt, R-Crown, has also vowed that his party would not let a $2.2 billion bonding bill pass the House unless the governor cedes his emergency powers. The bonding bill, which would borrow funds for infrastructure, education and fair housing packages, among others, has been a legislative priority for Walz this session.

The bill passed the House Ways and Means Committee earlier this week.

Meanwhile, DFLers argued that opening up businesses too soon would have dangerous long-term effects.

"The fact that we start this discussion with the assumption that one side is trying to create a reality that isn't true, or the other side is trying to create a reality that isn't true leads us to this point where we're not able to have a real conversation about it," said Sen. Jason Isaacson, DFL-Shoreview.

The Legislature has the authority to force the end of the peacetime emergency, but it requires approval from both chambers. While the Republican-controlled Senate would likely approve a measure to end the peacetime emergency, it's unlikely the DFL-controlled House would do so. It's also unlikely the Executive Council would overrule Walz.

David Schultz, national expert on state constitutional law and professor at the University of Minnesota and Hamline University, said Minnesota is in uncharted territory, and that makes the legal side of the orders unclear.

“[Walz] has some authority to declare a peacetime emergency, but beyond that, not clear what all that authority is,” said Schultz. “How far he can continue to go with what he's doing without having already treading on the law or breaking the law, that's probably a matter for how the courts decide.”
 

CynicalContrarian

Peacock
Gold Member
Heh.
German's pointing out how to cull the weak...

Male coronavirus patients with low testosterone levels are MORE likely to die from COVID-19, German hospital finds

- German hospital assessed the hormone levels of 45 COVID-19 patients in ICU
- Found that the vast majority of men admitted had low testosterone levels
- Testosterone may be able to stop the body's immune system from going haywire
- Low levels of the sex hormone are unable to regulate the body's immune response, leading to a 'cytokine storm' which can be fatal

 

Laner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Heh.
German's pointing out how to cull the weak...

Male coronavirus patients with low testosterone levels are MORE likely to die from COVID-19, German hospital finds

- German hospital assessed the hormone levels of 45 COVID-19 patients in ICU
- Found that the vast majority of men admitted had low testosterone levels
- Testosterone may be able to stop the body's immune system from going haywire
- Low levels of the sex hormone are unable to regulate the body's immune response, leading to a 'cytokine storm' which can be fatal

The bolded sound familiar? If anyone has ever dealt with an angry, low T man then you know hysterics are likely. The unfocused eyes, the screech in the voice, the trembling.
 

budoslavic

Crow
Gold Member
Texas reported its highest number of deaths in one day since the coronavirus pandemic began.

New official state data released on Thursday showed Texas is now reporting 1,216 deaths — an increase of 58 from yesterday’s tally.

Previously, Texas had reported as many as 50 deaths once before, on April 30.

The spike in deaths comes as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has been trying to re-open the state’s economy. Last week he allowed hair salons and barbershops to reopen and was planning to allow gyms to open next week. Before that he allowed restaurants, malls, retail stores and movie theaters to reopen at 25 percent capacity.

On Monday, Abbott was scheduled to announce whether the state had made enough progress to reopen restaurants, retail stores, theaters, and malls to re-open at 50 percent capacity.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Here is a fresh case of SWEDEN YES syndrome. A Croatian engineering company has 50 workers at a construction site in Sweden. The construction is finished; the first group of 25 workers returns home, and 14 of them are diagnosed with the coronavirus, also infecting another dozen family members that they were isolated with upon returning home.

Logically, the company and the Croatian ministry of health ask the Swedish authorities to test the other 25 so they can make an informed decisions whether it's better for them to stay in Sweden for a while longer, or to get a chartered plane or bus home.

The Swedish authorities refuse because "performing coronavirus tests is not in line with Sweden's national health strategy".

 

Troller

Woodpecker
Source:

For those who think the situation is getting better.

USA:
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

Spain:
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Russia:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

United Kingdom :
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

Italy:
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Brazil:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

France :
Bearish trend, a short-term reversal seems to be validated.

Germany:
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Belgium :
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Sweden :
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

Swiss :
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Mexico:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

Peru:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

India:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

Netherlands :
Bearish background trend, short-term trend with a risk of reversal to watch.

Argentina:
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

Poland:
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

Chile:
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

Japan:
Bearish trend, a short-term reversal seems to be validated.

South Africa :
Upward trend, upward growth of cases and deaths. Very bad situation.

Philippines:
Stable trend, linear growth of cases and deaths. Bad situation.

I have not put on the list of many countries that do not report cases at all reliably (South American countries like Bolivia and others, Asian countries, also China, Iran, Turkey , etc.)
What we see is that in places where the peak of the 1st wave has passed, the risk of an upward trend reversal is present and should not be taken lightly.
In France, the beginning of a turnaround seems to be taking shape (to be confirmed in the coming weeks) as in Japan.

The Pasteur Institute warned that only 4.4% of French people (at most) could have been infected, against 65% necessary to hope for collective immunity.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
Source:

For those who think the situation is getting better.
It ws never bad to begin with. There is no excess mortality except in places where they're fudging the numbers or killing people with ventilators.

Source is blank btw, sounds like CNN to me... what is that source?
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
It’s a real virus, and it’s bad, but not zombie-apocalypse bad. It’s really bad for some people.

Most of the deaths are in nursing homes, so it is looking like it has shifted forward deaths that would have happened several months later and making them happen all at once.

Anyway, like everything else in this day and age, it is politicized, as we can see by the absurd anti-HCQ push (I’m not saying it definitely works, but there’s good anecdotal evidence Indicating it helps if given early):


I think the problem is that it’s old and cheap, so if it does work, big pharma and government researchers gain nothing from it.
 
THE GREAT MEME HEIST
While everyone is distracted by the Coronavirus epidemic, Zuckerberg is tightening his grip on political speech, building an AI to wipe out any memes which challenge the COVID-19 narrative. Of course, the AI doesn't stop at that; it's also a tool of political censorship against "hateful" memes (i.e. any meme that opposes open borders, rails against the Islamization of Europe, discusses crimes committed by immigrants, etc.).

I am a data scientist, and so I was able to contact TheFaceBook, get admitted into their competition, and gain possession of 10,000 memes that Zuck is using to build his censorship AI.

Zuck is using the COVID pandemic as a smokescreen to hide what's really going on. I don't like that. To that end, I wrote a JavaScript Object Notation parser to split these 10,000 memes into "offensive", "allowed", and "uncategorized" buckets, and created a torrent:

http://endthepurge.com/meme-heist-torrent/

Let's not let Zuck get away with this. Let me know of any ideas you have - I'm putting together a website to host these stolen memes and show the public what's going on, and how TheFaceBook is an enemy of free speech (both in the context of Coronavirus, and in many other contexts as well).

P.S. I'm not trying to promote my site - it's non-commercial (nothing for sale; no advertising; etc.). I have plenty of money, thanks. I am simply using it because I can't attach Torrents to posts on this forum.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
This censorship is disgusting but I believe it will fail in the end. Everything they do like this only makes them look more creepy and less trustworthy.
 
This censorship is disgusting but I believe it will fail in the end. Everything they do like this only makes them look more creepy and less trustworthy.
I agree...and I also agree that we'll win out. If Zuck's team of 30,000 contract workers from India (who make a few dollars a day while being constantly exposed to the most despicable content online) are unable to keep a lid on things, and TheFaceBook isn't able to develop a powerful-enough AI in-house, then we're winning.

 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
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