The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

Gusamaso

Sparrow
Telegram source:

Twenty neighborhoods now lockdown in Beijing (the local government has established a strict quarantine with martial law) after a new major outbreak of coronavirus cases was discovered around the largest meat and vegetable market in the city, this which suggests a second wave of infections in the likely capital, then seat of the Chinese Communist Party.

According to an internal Brazilian report, 6 of the 10 largest hospitals in the country are no longer able to save the new arrivals and are completely overwhelmed.

Huge concerns around the India / Pakistan region, etc. according to WHO who expects extremely serious consequences.
Note that the high temperature in these countries (37-43C ° on average these days) seems to have slowed the spread of the virus and not to have prevented it, which seems to demonstrate that summer will not come to an end as claimed some experts say that "the epidemic is ending" and "that it is like all others".

According to the internal UN / WHO working group, we have probably exceeded 600,000 deaths because many countries (Brazil, Italy, USA, Spain, France, Turkey, etc.) have a fallible death counting system. The report also points to the unknown of the very uncertain African situation in terms of figures.

When you hear that "some countries inflate the figures" or that "certain figures are exaggerated", know that this is absolutely false. At best, they are correct, but very probably underestimated in reality almost everywhere from 10% to 35% depending on the country and the accounting systems.
Brazilian here. Not sure about this report.
 

myrica

Pigeon
i've been following this virus shit since jan. or so(also got covid myself in indonesia, 3rd week of feb.,3 days of light fever symptoms,fucking joke lol), and i realised media follows a specific pattern.
-First step; media focuses on china, then rest of asia for couple of months.
-Second step; media focuses on europe
-Third step; media focuses on america(as a continent). Nowadays you dont even see corona news about europe/asia(very little on asia if any).

So if this pattern keeps going, virus will be over by september since each step took several months. Unless something else happens obviously.

In my country(turkey),everything is back to normal, cases have increased as well(over thousand per day), but deaths are extremely low(about 15). Cases/death ratio seems to be getting really low in many countries as well. But of course we have *educated* idiots who keeps complaining about things going back to normal. Fearmongers apparently. At any case, if someone gets covid positive, %99 he/she goes back home after seeing doctor with some medicines and voila, all is well after several days. There is absolutely nothing to worry about this shitvirus.
Hence, i hope people will realise how bullshit this virus is and this nonsense will end soon.
 

La Águila Negra

Woodpecker
Telegram source:

Twenty neighborhoods now lockdown in Beijing (the local government has established a strict quarantine with martial law) after a new major outbreak of coronavirus cases was discovered around the largest meat and vegetable market in the city, this which suggests a second wave of infections in the likely capital, then seat of the Chinese Communist Party.

According to an internal Brazilian report, 6 of the 10 largest hospitals in the country are no longer able to save the new arrivals and are completely overwhelmed.

Huge concerns around the India / Pakistan region, etc. according to WHO who expects extremely serious consequences.
Note that the high temperature in these countries (37-43C ° on average these days) seems to have slowed the spread of the virus and not to have prevented it, which seems to demonstrate that summer will not come to an end as claimed some experts say that "the epidemic is ending" and "that it is like all others".

According to the internal UN / WHO working group, we have probably exceeded 600,000 deaths because many countries (Brazil, Italy, USA, Spain, France, Turkey, etc.) have a fallible death counting system. The report also points to the unknown of the very uncertain African situation in terms of figures.

When you hear that "some countries inflate the figures" or that "certain figures are exaggerated", know that this is absolutely false. At best, they are correct, but very probably underestimated in reality almost everywhere from 10% to 35% depending on the country and the accounting systems.
Whats up with the fear mongering, bombastic language?

`completely overwhelmed'
'huge concerns'
'extremely serious consequences'
'second wave of infections' (LOL)
'probably exceeded 600 000'

I'd also suggest you come with real sources instead of sensationalist Telegram messages. There are plenty of Brazilian members here who could shine a light on these pretty bold claims


In other news, Zhong NanShan (China's main epidemiologist) and with him the Chinese establishment, is getting nervous

They have boxed themselves in with their 1.harsh and no-matter-the-cost attitude towards Covid19, 2. late and deceiving early stances and 3. face saving culture that keeps them from righting a wrong.

The world is opening up despite the virus being under control. Many country's leaders have stated that locking down things any longer, or re-locking down society would be a much greater pain than letting the relatively innocent virus burn itself through the population

I am sure that the Party is well aware of the current status (low mortality rate, high comorbidity rate, low hospitalization rate, high average age of deceased etc.), yet at this point in time they can't back down anymore. It would be a huge loss of face

Irán has opened up, India has opened up, the Philippines have opened, the USA is opening up, Brasil has opened up, Mexico never went into a heavy lockdown, African countries never went into heavy lockdowns, European countries are opening up

China is facing a massive problem now that all other regions of the world will tacitly move towards herd immunity (without admitting it to the public).

So they'll have to resort to pressuring other leaders, counties and organisations into pursuing heavy lockdowns, publishing blatant false information and cutting themselves off from the rest of the world

Right now Beijing is putting it's eggs in the vaccine basket. I don't see China open until a vaccine is ready.
 

ABeast

Sparrow
Nobody in the past couple of weeks worth of BLM nonsense is following any guidelines (masks on chins don't count), let alone experimenting with any prophylactic measures.

If we don't see a serious spike in the number of infections in about 14 days or less, all bets are off - the real mask will have slipped.
You should see the start of a spike in 10 days so Minneapolis already is giving relatively solid data. Seems like the riots didn't cause a spike in hospitalizations from the data here: https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html#hosp1 I don't really trust "cases" as a reliable measure.
 
We probably won't see a spike in cases from the protest.

The people who attend the protests are fairly young. Many of them will be asymptomatic therefore will no go get tested. The spike will come in 2-4 weeks as they spread it to their older friends and relatives.
 
I’ll give a not-so-short summary of the pandemic at my place so far:

March: After the 2nd case confirmed, a lockdown was announced on the 10th and set for 2 weeks at first. Schools, universities and leisure activities like concerts, cinemas, and the like were suspended until further notice. Sports continued at close gates at first but quickly followed suit. The next week a curfew was set during the night. With every measure there was a bit of panic at the supermarkets, but calmed down the day after. Arrivals from foreign countries were put under self-quarantine for 14 days. A USD 1.5 billion loan was approved by Congress for medical supplies, financial aid for businesses and people, public works on hospitals, etc. Borders were closed and commercial flights stopped after many cases confirmed were from other countries. For the economy, tax breaks for businesses and people were set for the next 3 months. A welfare program (two times per individual) along with basic services exemption was set for low income households, and salary cuts for government employees. More restrictive measures were set on the last week until the next month. It was handled pretty well here, a major surprise since the current government was a complete mess last year. Total at March 31st: 69 cases, 2 deceased.

April: More restrictive measures, every business were suspended sans supermarkets and groceries, pharmacies, hospitals, public and private security, government, etc. Education kept being a mess, talks about halting classes until December, but the Minister was more bent on continuing through online, TV, whatsapp, even trading homework for groceries. Not helping matters were the private schools, unwilling to cut their fees at half to the point of some parents moving out their children to public. The welfare payments were delayed for the first half of the month. A Senator and Deputy were expelled from Congress for breaking quarantine, moving session to online for the next weeks. After the first half I see more masks being used in public, and by the 20th it was mandatory its use in closed spaces like the supermarket. Corruption cases were starting to appear, like overpriced masks and tonic water in several state owned companies like the oil and gas, the airport, and other government posts, the admins of the former two quitting their posts. The new wards for the covid patients were done and first batch of medical supplies arrived but were inadequate and were completely rejected. Things held up but the government couldn’t help themselves. 230 cases confirmed, 8 deceased, 95 recovered at April 30th.

May: A “Smart Quarantine” was set up and began at the 4th. Basically it’s opening and restarting businesses and places in phases. Also they resumed repatriating people from Brazil and eventually other places, with quarantine in shelters. One broke quarantine and was confirmed positive after caught. Welfare for low income ended, passed to groceries and such, some areas resort to community kitchens (The kind given to homeless in the US). Lots of unemployed, halted, business barely hanging, even with aid. Also, lots of overpricing in water, electricity bills, from USD 30-40 to 750. Half of the next batch of medical supplies rejected, cancelling the bids awarded to businesses that only exists on paper (I forgot the term) and being kept under investigation. Mid and long distance travel restarted for work reasons only. First phase was successful and the second was opened with no issues. Things were holding through because the majority of people and the medics were supporting themselves. They began to test more and more, so confirmed cases were at 900, 11 deceased, 250 recovered at the end of the month.

June: Things start to open, some people start to relax measures and several buses weren’t following protocol. Health Ministry is worried about the unlinked cases. A military guarding a shelter unknowingly got infected and went to his hometown. Now the entire town is the first case of local lockdown and the military guy is charged with breaking sanitary rules and social distancing. The private schools are requesting aid to the government because few parents are paying, even a taiwanese school ceased operations. Now we’re at phase 3 this week, which includes restaurants, bars and food courts reopening, minor gatherings, gyms and sports, all with limited capacity, 20 people max for churches and religious services. 100K unemployed, +2 deceased after a month, sampling will slow down due to shortage and there are talks about 25000 countrymen abroad returning. At today there’s 1303 cases confirmed, 13 deceased and 699 recovered.

TL;DR: First cases came in, government acted quickly and the majority complied. Things are stable so far thanks to God and the people, even when crooks gonna crook.
 
By "free", of course, you mean "someone else should pay for it".
If Banks in 2008 and airlines in 2020 can be "bailed out" by the U.S. govt. why can't student loan borrowers? Of course, I am biased.

I will be pursuing a STEM degree. The U.S. govt gives hundreds of billions of dollars in aid yearly to Israel, Pakistan, African countries etc; but they cannot cover the $50k to $60k loan that I will have to take on? Come on, now.

Bernie Sanders that old Jew from Brooklyn, New York is 100% correct on this issue.
 
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kel

Pelican
You're muddying the issue. I agree that education is something in the collective interest, but until the education system is actually serving the interests of the people paying for it it has no right to their money. That there are huge military expenditures is unrelated - "endlessly pouring cash into the bottomless moneypit of indoctrination" vs. "endlessly pouring cash into the bottomless moneypit of the military industrial complex" is a false dichotomy, and this is demonstrated by the fact that we're already endlessly pouring cash into both of them as well as myriad other bureaucratic grift schemes.

I don't want to pay for Becky's gender studies degree, period. Not my responsibility any more than paying to bomb some pashtun goat herder who doesn't want his kids to be trooned.

The interim solution is to make college loans dischargable in bankrupcy. Let the banks take on that risk and force colleges to reduce their glut. Right now there's no reason for the price of college to go up without limit, so that's exactly what it's doing. It's doing it in places with "free" college as well, you just don't have to look as directly at the price tag.
 

Papaya

Crow
Gold Member
Communism is never the answer to corruption.

If they werent dead millions of people around the world would tell you that

Edit: "Education (higher education) and healthcare are a basic human right. They should always be FREE."

We can agree that youre living in delusion
 
Communism is never the answer to corruption.

If they werent dead millions of people around the world would tell you that
Majority of the world has FREE healthcare and higher education. The U.S. and a few other countries are the only ones with a profit/business model for these two sectors.

UK/Australia/Canada has universal healthcare. Europe and 99% of the world has free university education. This is normal.
 

Papaya

Crow
Gold Member
Its not free...thats my point. Its paid for by higher taxes. Much higher. Scandinavia has something approaching 70% personal taxes.

The US higher education system is corrupt on many levels but someone else fund that corruption isnt the solution. Thats actually been the problem. Student loans are really "Your Future Self" paying for it later

But if your career after education cant pay for what it cost to attain...that's called a "bad investment". Thats business 101

Edit: In other words the solution lies in bringing the costs in line with value.

High username to irony ratio by the way
 

kel

Pelican
It's not free, though. You're still paying for it, just through different means. I'm not against that, in theory, but I am against how it manifests in practice, which is grift and bullshit. The NHS is collapsing before our eyes, the US side of the Canadian border is littered with hospitals that exist solely to receive Canadian patients who don't want to wait six months for an x-ray because they're stuck in line behind troons getting their top surgery. Meanwhile, while I don't promote the US healthcare system as a model for the world at all (because it has the worst of socialized AND private healthcare), seeing a doctor is quick and easy (relatively speaking), we have the worlds highest cancer survival rate (a questionable metric to be chasing, tbh, but still, that's how these things are measured), etc. The downside is drugs being promoted by doctors paid to do so, for example, and I'm not defending that, but you get the same elsewhere, just done one more level of bureaucracy up and after the private healthcare system has already paid for the R&D and marketing.

I've lived in seven countries in my life, all except the US being the "free" utopias you covet, and as bad as the US is I would not take their healthcare in a serious situation. The very first thing I would do is come back to the US (or even go to a private clinic in Thailand or something like that).

Socialism isn't a bad thing at base, but it is when you're socializing bullshit across a society that has no shared values. As the countries you named continue to import tax drains and impoverish their tax base you can expect quality to continue to decline.

You can't have the socialism unless you first have the national. It just doesn't work and never will. Once Bernie went open borders he completely lost the plot with his various "free" things.
 

Tactician

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Why stop at FREE?

Let's make the vaccines Mandatory :laughter:

Re: Student loans. On balance, the purpose of student loans is to destroy the Middle Class. Loans & Financing of non-productive assets lead to increased prices, which perpetuate the need for loans in the first place. A much better system would no student loans/only private student loans which are dischargable + increased scholarships based on student merit.

This way you'd have much lower tuition, put pressure on institutions to trim BS faculty & departments, + plenty of people can still receive scholarships.

The real purpose of stuff like artificially propped up tuition & housing prices is to:
1. Make loan providers & universities rich (i.e. the "sell side")
2. Create a nation of renters or owners with the burden of a large mortgage
3. Decrease birthrate due to money pressure (ghetto birthrate still high due to gibs!)
4. Decrease birthrate due to chicks spending their best years in college
5. Brainwashing & social pressure. The longer you spend in Uni the more lefty you are.
6. Create more govt dependency as people turn to govt socialism to solve the same problems IT CREATED

Removing or decreasing loans to non-productive stuff solves the bulk of this, but don't hold your breath as you have a very organized & incentive-aligned looting mechanism vs a disorganized mass where the smart people who see it for what it is probably didn't fall for these traps and, thus, have less direct incentive to do anything.

Note further, each of these points is self-perpetuating & directly benefits the Elites who want a nation of retard-cattle.

uhh anyway that comes off as kinda black pilled, but the sky is still blue & life is good! Be hesitant to outsource your responsibility, and you'll do alright!

Also, this was pretty off-topic, so I'll say that Coronavirus is gay. Cheers!
 
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