The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

CynicalContrarian

Peacock
Gold Member
Brazil Chad scoffs at China's virus.



Brazil president Bolsonaro still tests positive for virus

Brazil’s government says President Jair Bolsonaro is still testing positive for the coronavirus following his July 7 announcement.
The positive test Tuesday came after a follow-up check on July 15. The government says he remains in good health.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/w...lsonaro-still-tests-positive-for-virus-116481
 
I don't really know why you would take anything I said as me being a "romanticized icon" or alpha posturing. I wasn't really thinking of either in regards to not wearing a mask. Or that something super glamorous was going to happen.

Obviously me not wearing a mask doesn't make any significant difference in the world whatsoever, that's not why I haven't put on one.

As for me being a in your face teen, I'd just leave that subject to your own interpretation.

And yes I care about covid in so much as other people / governments care about it. That's about it. I wouldn't personally care about it if 99% of the world wasn't going ape shit bananas over it.

I have actually found not wearing the mask and being a stubborn bastard unexpectedly interesting so far.

I have also learned greater empathy for people who are wearing the mask and why they choose to do so, even though I still haven't been wearing it.

In contribution to this thread though I'd make the argument that if you support masks and want to pull the position that most people I've found are making of saving lives, then I don't know how you don't support indefinite mandatory mask wearing basically forever, outside of a vaccine.

Cause even dr fauci has said that corona virus will probably never be eradicated completely. If masks are actually effective and everyone wears them, then there will be low immunity, and anytime we stop finally mass wearing the masks, it will simply spread like wild fire again and people will just die anyway.

Plus there are plenty of other things that kill alot of people every year, like the flu, so I don't know why you couldn't apply the same logic to that, and why mask wearers didn't support a mask mandate in the past over that.

All this assumes that masks are actually effective, which is another discussion to be had. Basically the question is, should we all wear masks, forever, so that some old unhealthy people don't die? And should our entire public behavior revolve around that? That's basically the argument from the mask supporting average person that I'm seeing so far.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
I have actually found not wearing the mask and being a stubborn bastard unexpectedly interesting so far.
Can you share some stories?

I feel like I'd be stoned by an angry mob if I went out without one. Mind you, it's only day 3 or 4 of forced muzzle wearing here.

Cause even dr fauci has said that corona virus will probably never be eradicated completely. If masks are actually effective and everyone wears them, then there will be low immunity, and anytime we stop finally mass wearing the masks, it will simply spread like wild fire again and people will just die anyway.
It's almost as if that's part of the plan...
 
I have also learned greater empathy for people who are wearing the mask and why they choose to do so,...

In contribution to this thread though I'd make the argument that if you support masks and want to pull the position that most people I've found are making of saving lives, then I don't know how you don't support indefinite mandatory mask wearing basically forever, outside of a vaccine.

Cause even dr fauci has said that corona virus will probably never be eradicated completely. If masks are actually effective and everyone wears them, then there will be low immunity, and anytime we stop finally mass wearing the masks, it will simply spread like wild fire again and people will just die anyway.

Plus there are plenty of other things that kill alot of people every year, like the flu, so I don't know why you couldn't apply the same logic to that, and why mask wearers didn't support a mask mandate in the past over that.

All this assumes that masks are actually effective, which is another discussion to be had. Basically the question is, should we all wear masks, forever, so that some old unhealthy people don't die? And should our entire public behavior revolve around that? That's basically the argument from the mask supporting average person that I'm seeing so far.
What my posts keep strongly recommending, is that our public behavior should revolve around keeping ourselves safe from the potential consequences of the actions from people that actually believe masks are medically necessary. I don't want you to end up being a victim of violence from an unruly mob, or official enforcement procedures.

I agree with every part of your post that has been requoted.

Are you familiar with the book The 48 Laws of Power ? (Even if not, this may at least arouse your curiosity):

I wear a mask where required by law, with the same attitude that Chris Wren had when he built the pillars 'just a little bit too short'. ;)
 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member

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Video description
American life has fallen casualty to a massive disinformation campaign. We can speculate on how this has happened, and why it has continued, but the purpose of the American Frontline Doctor's Summit is to empower Americans to stop living in fear. Join the summit live as we: - Create the opportunity for frontline doctors to talk directly to the American people. - Educate and inform Congresspersons, who have also been subject to widespread misinformation. - Build alliances, as it falls to us physicians to heal our nation.
Schedule
The first White Coat Summit has three goals.
  • We will create the opportunity for frontline doctors to talk directly to the American people.
  • We will educate and inform Congresspersons, who have also been subject to widespread misinformation.
  • And we will build alliances, as it falls to us physicians to heal our nation.
1st Day Agenda July 27
8:30 am: Coffee, Opening Remarks
9:00 am: Panel #1 Schools
10:00 am: Topic #2 The Virus/Disease Facts
10:20 am: Topic #2 Hoaxes Identified
10:40 am: Panel #2 Hoaxes Demonstrated
11:10 am: Panel #2 Medical Cancel Culture
11:30 am: Topic #3 Fear
11:45 am: Topic #4 Public Policy
12:00 pm: Lunch
1:00 pm: Capitol Hill Photo Op
2:00 pm: Capitol Hill Press Conference
4:00 pm: Panel 2: HCQ
5:00 pm: Topic #4: Follow the Money
5:30 pm: Panel #3: Lockdowns
4:00-8:00 pm: Individual Physician Interviews

2nd Day Agenda July 28
8:00 am: Continental Breakfast
8:30 am: Topic #5 Going Forward
9:30 am: Closing Remarks
10:00 am: Special Taping
1:00 pm: Conclusion
Social Media: 3:30-5:30 pm
YouTube and other social media vastly exceed television news as the information source for most Americans. Interviews and Q/A with social media personalities with large followers is the best way to talk to Americans. Doctors who want to answer questions from these modern journalists will have the opportunity. There will be dozens of doctors doing this together and you are free to speak as little or as much as you like.
Video: 4-8 pm
You are invited to record a ~2-5 minute video speaking about the coronavirus, the lockdown, and your advice/opinion. This will be sent to you as a link for you to share with your friends, family, patients, local press, or for any other purpose.
Tentative Congressional Meetings: 4-6 pm
Physicians & Congresspersons can discuss any healthcare related topic.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Absolutely mindblowing how brainwashed some people are about coronavirus:

Nolte: Media Hysteria Convinced Americans 30 Million Died of Coronavirus


A survey shows that Americans believe some 30 million of us have died from the coronavirus, which means they are off by more than 2,000 percent.

Although fewer than 150,000 Americans have died at the hands of the China Virus, when asked to pick a percentage of the American population who succumbed to the virus, Americans chose an average of nine percent.

Nine percent!


With a population of — give or take — 330 million, nine percent rounds up to 30 million dead, when the truth is that not even one percent of the population has been lost to the virus — that would be 3.3 million dead. What we’re talking about is something less than one-tenth of one percent — which happens to be one of the lowest rates in the world.

It gets worse…

When asked how many Americans have caught the virus, the average number chosen was 20 percent, so 66 million.

The real number is … … … just four million.


Are people just stupid? Do they not know there are more than 300 million people in America, or not know that fewer than 150,000 have died, or are they just that bad at math?

It’s probably a mix of all three, but as journalist Alex Berenson pointed out when commenting on the survey, the “panic porners” have “won.”

Although the reality of the coronavirus is nothing close to the horrors the “experts” predicted while conning us into these incredibly destructive lockdowns four months ago; although we now know the coronavirus is no more lethal to those under 50 than the conventional flu, the 24/7 politically-driven hysteria from the corporate media, left-wing activists, and the Democrat party, still has people bamboozled into believing this thing is 2000 times worse than it actually is.

And since that nine percent has been “averaged,” that means a whole lot of people chose a much higher number.


The “politically-driven” aspect of this is obvious. The more terrified people are, the more convinced they are the virus is 2000 times worse than it actually is, the harder it is for President Trump to get reelected. This is also why the fake news media are hoping to gaslight people into believing Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) did a good job (he didn’t, especially if you had a loved one in a New York nursing home) while and Florida, Texas, and Georgia are on the verge of an apocalypse.

While there have been an increase in cases in those three states, there has also been an increase in testing — which means you are going to find more cases. The death and hospitalization rates, the numbers that should matter most, are relatively stable and nothing close to alarming.

Nevertheless, the media are pretending those states are horror shows in the hopes those states will flip to Democrats in the 2020 presidential election. So far, that strategy is working. According to the polling, Trump is on the bubble in all three of those states, states he won by comfortable margins in 2016.

Also not helping is Trump himself, who, until recently, seemed more interested in tweeting his childish grievances than communicating what his administration is doing about the virus and offering a counter-narrative to the media’s partisan hysteria by way of an effective communications strategy.

Trump has rebooted his coronavirus briefings. This might help, but only if the president shows some discipline and leadership, as opposed to last time when he turned the briefings into interminable, all-about-Trump grudge matches with a media that was determined to destroy the briefings.

So not all of this is media’s fault, or the fault of math teachers, or the fault of an America more familiar with Kim Kardashian’s beauty routine than the population of its own country.
 

RoadKill503

Sparrow
What is the explanation for the cases growing but deaths dropping for such a long time? Less dangerous strain? Labs using new tests that pick up the common cold as Corona?

At first I thought that such a gap was normal since Corona takes a long time to kill, but now there has to be an explanation.
More tests equals more confirmed positive cases. They've been saying since the start that most people are asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic, so it's likely that much of the population has or had the virus and been unaware because they just didn't feel sick. The real numbers to watch are death rates and hospitalization rates, which aren't following the same growth curve as confirmed cases.
 
More people have died from suicide and drug overdoses than coronavirus.
For some reason, the image of Bill Gates' smirk popped in my mind when reading this (he has the habit to smile at very unappropriate moments in interviews, when discussing depressing things like the lockdown or 'pandemic 2')


This is hearthbreaking, I hope those responsible for this crime against humanity will one day face a tribunal

In Belgium (and probably everywhere else), cancer diagnoses have massively decreased since the lockdown, because people postpone consulting a doctor because they are scared of the virus, making the cancer more fatal in the meantime...
 

RoadKill503

Sparrow
Some of my relatives announced today that they tested positive for the virus and have recovered. The first instance of someone I know personally to have been infected. They described their symptoms as mild, comparable to a seasonal cold, and lasting about a week. The whole family/household has since tested negative three times in a row after a 14 day quarantine following their initial positive diagnosis and are cleared to return to work. None were hospitalized and all members of the family are and always have been health-conscious and physically fit. They didn't announce their diagnosis publicly until after their quarantine and confirmed recovery, and are not milking it for political points (they'd fit in around here, but I doubt any are members of the forum.) They weren't prescribed any medication and only treated themselves with the classic mid-west mom cure for any illness: chicken soup, 7up and lots of rest, with standard-issue OTC cold medicine to relieve the symptoms and aid sleep. I'm glad they made it out okay and it's very reassuring to know from first hand reports that it's easily managed and very beatable.
 
After a long time since my last post, the entire country is open to phase 4 while the capital and the metro area, along a Department neighboring Brazil is stuck at phase 3 (until now). It’s just more events open, and more people allowed. Cases are rising, with 1 or 2 deceased per day since 2 weeks ago. There’s been outbreaks at prisons. Economy is moving slow, people are getting careless, medics are not being properly supplied or paid the bonuses they were promised for the pandemic, and things are hanging barely.

Today, things exploded at the east since it was decided to turn back at phase 0 for 2 weeks. A small riot in the city most hit by the economic crisis, certainly a small glimpse of things to come if the government keep fumbling on this. A little bit offtopic, but not helping matters, a corruption scandal broke out yesterday with a Minister involved in embezzlement scheme from his tenure as governor. The guy is a complete screw up, an absolute liability with lots of corruption cases on his back and the government gave a very soft response. They better act quickly or it will end up worse. At today, there’s 4674 cases confirmed, 3039 recovered and 45 deceased.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
As a solution to the (supposedly) many people who don't do the 14 day isolation properly, someone from the government down here in Victoria, Australia floated the idea of 'ankle bracelets'...

The rest of the news was 'Never forget - continue to shame and mock people who don't wear the mask'.
 
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