The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Easy_C said:
The ugliest truth you should contend with is that the "China was lying" narrative is a farce. Even if the CCP was lying, your government was doubtless aware of everything that was happening in Wuhan and the surrounds regardless. Do you actually think your trillion dollar military and information apparatus is blind to things we've been discussing on the forum since the beginning of January?

They had some idea.

But at this point "Even if the CCP was lying" implies disbelief. I find any disbelief of that to be ridiculous because that same footage available shows very clearly that the official statistics were bullshit.

The response to me I noticed followed the exact same one as Ebola. They seem to have figured that they could get away with pretending it wasn't that bad, figured any problems were probably just due to the Chinese being filthy and we'd definitely have less of a problem with it, and besides it worked out fine to pretend Ebola and SARS weren't problems so why bother this time?

Worst case scenario you get to use the crisis.

Perhaps I should have replaced "even if" with "regardless of whether".

I was attempting to convey "it's beside the point". We've all been saying they were lying for months now. It was obvious. That's the point. It was obvious.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
NoMoreTO said:
I worked from home last week in a rural area.

I came back to my place in Ottawa today as I was scheduled to work. The drive was about about 7 hours by car. I was considering staying back home with my Mother as they had a plan for rotating teams, but I knew they would cancel that. After arriving they sent out an email that it was 100% work from home this week. I will stay here a day or two, gather some things and head back home. I have been checking my temperature daily and everything is good. But it doesn't hurt to take another day or two before heading back.

I find myself very annoyed with a girl I've been seeing for a while now. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but keeps saying how Canadians are all over reacting. I told her yeah, you might actually be right, but what if you are wrong? She is an immigrant and I told her she might feel different if she was worried about her grandparents getting it. She spent the whole weekend in Montreal visiting her brother, and I think out and about, then hitched some sort of ride back in a ride share of some sort. We were texting and I couldn't convince her to stay home from her job as a barrista tomorrow. Luckily the family she lives with told her she should stay home and she is listening to them. She's feeling less like a corona keeper. I want a girl who makes the runs to stock up on things and is ahead of the game, and listens to me in times of crisis. Sweet girl but the attitude is coming out.

I read that 87% of people do not respond to logical pleas but emotion, only 13% learn through reading/logical argument and then fewer then that actually enact on the knowledge they have understood.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
Syberpunk said:
NoMoreTO said:
I worked from home last week in a rural area.

...

I find myself very annoyed with a girl I've been seeing for a while now. She isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but keeps saying how Canadians are all over reacting. I told her yeah, you might actually be right, but what if you are wrong? She is an immigrant and I told her she might feel different if she was worried about her grandparents getting it. She spent the whole weekend in Montreal visiting her brother, and I think out and about, then hitched some sort of ride back in a ride share of some sort. We were texting and I couldn't convince her to stay home from her job as a barrista tomorrow. Luckily the family she lives with told her she should stay home and she is listening to them. She's feeling less like a corona keeper. I want a girl who makes the runs to stock up on things and is ahead of the game, and listens to me in times of crisis. Sweet girl but the attitude is coming out.

I read that 87% of people do not respond to logical pleas but emotion, only 13% learn through reading/logical argument and then fewer then that actually enact on the knowledge they have understood.

I find the most annoying people are those who are close to you. Their actions actually have an effect on you and those you love. My sister is following the "behave as normal as long as you don't have symptoms".

My one brother is very vigilant. A woman who is a nurse came to visit his wife today, he refused her entry into the house. They sat out on the porch for a short while and she left.
 

22qwert22

Pigeon
Something bigger is going on, and the virus is just the short term.

We know that the Americans and the Chinese have had political, trade and geopolitical issues. When the virus hit; America was the first country to close borders with China, This makes sense.

The chinese have managed to control the virus and are using it as a geopolitical tool to gain influence into Europe by helping the Italians and soon the Spanish wit their healthcare product needs. Well all know just about all products are produced in China.

Now what happens if the chinese refuse to sell healthcare products to the Americans. Well we get the delayed response we got from TRUMP. We know the chinese are making the health care tools and for sure they tried to negotiate a trade deal for Medical Supplies. This probably did not work out. So all of trumps recent press conferences have been full of American companies picking up with manufacturing that the chinse would have done.

I dont think this stops with the virus.

As you know in Trumps last Press conference he said something on the lines of this should be good for the next two months until the next issue.

So that means the elites are aware of something coming in the next two months that will shift the conversation away from the virus onto something else.
 

Caduceus

Pelican
While the western world shuts off the lights, Putin is busy flexing his muscles.


NORAD intercepts Russian jets on the edge of US airspace

MARCH 15, 2020


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/wo...e/news-story/489d877d0a1c787a381f4b50738cb2a0


Two pairs of Russian military reconnaissance aircraft have been intercepted near Alaska, the North American Aerospace Defence Command said. The Russian aircraft entered and remained in the air defence identification zone, a security perimeter in international airspace, for about four hours, the joint US-Canadian command said. NORAD’s “F-22s, supported by KC-135 Stratotankers and E-3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft, intercepted two pairs of Russian Tu-142s entering the Alaskan Air Defence Identification Zone on Saturday, March 14th,” the command reported.

The Russian aircraft never entered sovereign US or Canadian airspace, the command said. But they “loitered in the vicinity of the US Navy’s ICEX where they are conducting submarine exercises”, NORAD said. ICEX is a naval exercise in the Arctic Ocean. It was the second time in as many weeks that Russian jets acted similarly. NORAD is a joint US-Canadian command focused on the defence of the North American airspace.




Russia will continue to "probe" off Irish waters, says former NATO commander.


Mar 15, 2020

https://eutoday.net/news/security-defence/2020/russia-will-continue


Russia will continue to “probe” the “incredibly strategically important waters west of Ireland” with long-range air surveillance and nuclear submarines, a former US Nato commander, retired US Navy Admiral James Stavridis, has said. The former Nato supreme allied commander in Europe from 2009 to 2013, was responding to incidents of two Russian bomber aircrafts flying in Irish-controlled airspace west of the country twice over the past week.

On Wednesday, British RAF Typhoon fighter jets were scrambled for the second time in five days to monitor two Russian Tupolev TU-95 Bear bombers as they flew in international airspace controlled by the Irish Aviation Authority. Admiral Stavridis said that the Russians were testing a strategically important area called the Greenland-Iceland-UK “gap” that controls the entrances to the North Atlantic and transatlantic commerce between the US and Europe, the largest trading relationship in the world.

“This is attractive to Vladimir Putin because it demonstrates Russian military capability, creates some divisive forces in Nato because there is a difference of opinion as to how robustly to respond and provides an image within Russia of a strong decisive leader,” the former US commander in Europe told The Irish Times. Adm Stravridis referred to the significant timing of the military flights as the Russian leader seeks to extend his term of control to 2036 with recent proposed constitutional changes in Moscow. The Russian embassy in Dublin said that the two Russian airforce aircraft were carrying out a “routine training mission” in the North Atlantic. “The flight took place in the international airspace according to all international rules and standards,” said Russian embassy spokeswoman Victoria Loginova. “The aircraft at no point entered the sovereign airspace of Ireland, nor was there any plan to do it.”

Ireland has no aircraft capable of intercepting potentially hostile contacts, and so an arrangement exists whereby Britain's Royal Air Force can overfly Irish airspace for the purpose.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
It's become impossible not to see God's hand in hanging people with their own contradictions.

"Pay your health care premiums or shut up and die, poors."
"It's just old people, let them die."

Now it's:

"China is morally obligated to sell us health care supplies OR ELSE!!!"

Do we need to ask what the ZOG would do if the tables were turned? It's a rhetorical question at this stage. What's coming for us in the West we have earned by our greed and complacency. Repent, pray and prepare.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
This poor bastard is probably being force-fed rat stew at some re-education camp.

Property Exec Who Criticized Xi over Virus Handling Is Missing
Sunday, 15 March 2020

An influential former Chinese property executive who called President Xi Jinping a "clown" over a speech he made last month about the government's efforts to battle the coronavirus has gone missing, three of his friends told Reuters.

Ren Zhiqiang, a member of China's ruling Communist Party and a former top executive of state-controlled property developer Huayuan Real Estate Group, has not been contactable since March 12, they said.

"Many of our friends are looking for him," his close friend and businesswoman Wang Ying said in a statement to Reuters, describing them as being "extremely anxious."

"Ren Zhiqiang is a public figure and his disappearance is widely know. The institutions responsible for this need to give a reasonable and legal explanation for this as soon as possible," she said.

Calls made by Reuters to Ren's mobile phone went unanswered.

The Beijing police did not immediately respond to requests by phone and fax for comment on Sunday. China's State Council Information Office did not immediately respond to a faxed request for comment.

An essay Ren shared with people he knew in recent weeks took aim at a speech Xi made on Feb. 23, which state media reported was teleconferenced to 170,000 party officials nationwide. Copies of his essay were later posted online by others.

In the essay, which does not mention Xi by name, Ren said after studying the speech he "saw not an emperor standing there exhibiting his 'new clothes,' but a clown stripped naked who insisted on continuing being emperor," according to a version posted by China Digital Times, a U.S.-based website.

He also said it revealed a "crisis of governance" within the party, and that a lack of free press and speech had prevented the outbreak from being tackled sooner, causing the situation to worsen.

Ren's disappearance comes as censorship over how local media and online users discuss the epidemic has tightened in recent weeks.

The coronavirus, which emerged in China late last year, has infected more than 80,000 people in the country, killing 3,199.

Ren, who gained the nickname "Cannon Ren" for previous critiques posted on social media, was put on probation from the party for a year in 2016 as part of a punishment for publicly criticizing government policy.

That year, the government ordered platforms such as the Twitter-like Weibo to shut down Ren's social media accounts, which at the time had more than 30 million online followers, saying he had been "spreading illegal information."

Beijing has framed the battle against coronavirus as a "People's War" led by Xi.

While the draconian measures to fight the virus, including the lockdown of the city of Wuhan, have proven effective at containing it even as the disease spreads rapidly in other countries, China has faced criticism for suppressing information in the outbreak's early days.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/xijinping-property-executive-disappears/2020/03/15/id/958376/
 
https://nypost.com/2020/03/15/isis-...avel-to-europe-for-jihad-because-coronavirus/

ISIS tells its terrorists not to travel to Europe for jihad — because of coronavirus

After years of urging its terrorists to attack major European cities, ISIS is now telling them to steer clear due to the coronavirus.

Any sick jihadists already in Europe, however, should stay there — presumably to sicken infidels, according to a ‘sharia’ directive printed in the group’s al-Naba newsletter, the Sunday Times of London reported.

The “healthy should not enter the land of the epidemic and the afflicted should not exit from it,” the newsletter advised.

The newsletter instructs jihadists that the “plague” is a “torment sent by God on whomsoever He wills.”

Iraq, where most of the surviving fragments of the group remain, had 110 reported coronavirus cases on Sunday morning, ten of them fatal, according to Johns Hopkins University, which is tracking the contagion.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
I was coming back from my evening walk whilst wearing a mask, and had successfully avoiding being near anyone for each walk today, when a truck slowed down and pulled up right next to me. A guy somewhere his his sixties leant his head far out the window and said "How are you going mate?" in an exaggerated manner. I have no idea who he was. He didn't wait for a response, and drove off.

There was something aggressive about it, like he was taking the piss out of me for wearing a mask. Jokes on him, it's not that good a mask.

I swear, it's like Boomers have a death wish.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
Well, look at them.
Deutschland, France, America - all racing up the charts.
Who will be number one?


Total Confirmed
169,387

Total Deaths
6,513

Confirmed Cases by Country/Region/Sovereignty
81,020 China
24,747 Italy
13,938 Iran
8,162 Korea, South
7,844 Spain
5,813 Germany
5,437 France
3,774 US
2,200 Switzerland
1,739 Denmark
1,395 United Kingdom
1,256 Norway
1,136 Netherlands
1,032 Sweden

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
Roosh said:
I ran out of produce at home, and since it has been over 14 days since I was exposed to my flu-like illness, I went to Walmart around 8pm wearing nitrile gloves.

I don't know enough about viral shedding to understand when I should come out of isolation, in terms of being around other people. I thought this article suggested a 19-22 day period, so I was going to stay isolated for another 10 days, assuming I don't end up in hospital. I still feel sick enough on Day 12 to not imagine feeling great by Day 14.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
A good article detailing just how fucked USA (and any country that doesn't take this seriously) is in terms of ventilators used to save Coronavirus patients:

Breitbart said:
Source: U.S. Will Need up to 500,000 Ventilators for Coronavirus Victims

“A planning study run by the federal government in 2005 estimated that if the United States were struck with a moderate pandemic like the 1957 influenza, the country would need more than 64,000 ventilators,” said a March 13 report in the Washington Post. “If we were struck with a severe pandemic like the 1918 Spanish flu, we would need more than 740,000 ventilators — many times more than are available.”

But the nation only has 170,000 ventilators, according to a February inventory by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

Many older Americans have also bought assisted-breathing devices that can than provide very high levels of oxygen.

The nation also has a variety of companies that make and sell ventilators, nearly all of which are for professional use by paramedics, nurses, and doctors. Roughly 14,000 ventilators are built in the United States each year.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-need-500000-ventilators-coronavirus-victims/

Summary: the deficit in USA ventilator inventory that would be needed to adequately deal with a massive pandemic is about 40 years worth of of production - and that doesn't even begin to address the issue of a similar dearth of medical professionals who can operate them.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Roosh said:
Considering that Brazil is in summer, this is a bad sign:


Updated personal list of pet peeves, in order:

1. "It's just the flu"
2. "It's only dangerous to old people"
"3. 96% of infected survive the disease"
4. "The hospitals have enough capacity"
5. "A 2% death rate isn't that bad"
6. "It's impossible for stores to run out of food"
7. "USA has mounted an amazing response"
8. "Summer will stop the pandemic"
9. "We just need to develop herd immunity"
10. "The odds of getting it at a large public event are low"
11. "It proves single payer systems suck"
12. "It's all China's fault"
13. "Only public-private partnerships can save us"
 
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