The crime wave in America

[murphykj930]

Black people need incentives to get out of the drug game, and the government needs to be pickier about who they help. Being gangster and selling dope makes you lot of money, and gets you status in the streets and with the ladies. That’s what’s cool in black culture right now, and it’s core to most of the problems we’re seeing now.

Couple that with the single mom problem (single moms who are having sex with drug dealers because it’s cool) and the cycle continues.

Going to an actual drug war with the cartel might be the best thing that happens for the black community. Once it becomes impossible to sell crack and cocaine anymore, future generations will be forced to get out of the game and do something productive. As terrible as it is, legalizing weed might do some good. You’re not gonna fight a turf war with the government. Well, at least not for very long.

Food stamps should also be given sparingly, to people with a higher likelihood of producing something for society, rather than the old 75 year old crack head that dabbles in meth because it’s cheaper. The system helps people that need it, but they help the latter too much, rather then the former.

 

[DanielH]

Being gangster and selling dope makes you lot of money, and gets you status in the streets and with the ladies. That’s what’s cool in black culture right now, and it’s core to most of the problems we’re seeing now.

That's a good point. Of the big three music labels, two are run by Jews (Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group) and the other is a Japanese company (Sony). None of those people have an interest in actually improving the black community.

Going to an actual drug war with the cartel might be the best thing that happens for the black community.

That's another good point. Imagine if the US established order in Mexico, how much good that would do here in the US. Imagine if instead of Afghanistan and Iraq, we took out the cartels in Mexico and reinforced the border. I disagree on legalizing marijuana though. From my own personal observations, it really does seem to be a gateway drug. How many people ever jump straight to fentanyl or crack cocaine without first starting with binge drinking, marijuana, and prescription drug abuse, more or less in that order?

Food stamps should also be given sparingly, to people with a higher likelihood of producing something for society, rather than the old 75 year old crack head that dabbles in meth because it’s cheaper.

In early America and pre revolutionary Russia, it was the churches that distributed charity. In both countries, houses and workshops were built for the poor so that they could work for their food and learn a skill. Saint John of Kronstadt is known for building one such workshop which helped end poverty in his town. If people abused the charity or refused to repent for their drug/alcohol abuse, the Church would stop helping them until they repented. Government can't really do this effectively because welfare is basically buying votes. Once you give welfare, you can never take it away, because such a person would become unelectable. Some government agencies such as the TSA are essentially jobs programs, but they don't really teach people a skill that could be useful in broader society.

 

[It_is_my_time]

That's a good point. Of the big three music labels, two are run by Jews (Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group) and the other is a Japanese company (Sony). None of those people have an interest in actually improving the black community.

That's another good point. Imagine if the US established order in Mexico, how much good that would do here in the US. Imagine if instead of Afghanistan and Iraq, we took out the cartels in Mexico and reinforced the border. I disagree on legalizing marijuana though. From my own personal observations, it really does seem to be a gateway drug. How many people ever jump straight to fentanyl or crack cocaine without first starting with binge drinking, marijuana, and prescription drug abuse, more or less in that order?

In early America and pre revolutionary Russia, it was the churches that distributed charity. In both countries, houses and workshops were built for the poor so that they could work for their food and learn a skill. Saint John of Kronstadt is known for building one such workshop which helped end poverty in his town. If people abused the charity or refused to repent for their drug/alcohol abuse, the Church would stop helping them until they repented. Government can't really do this effectively because welfare is basically buying votes. Once you give welfare, you can never take it away, because such a person would become unelectable. Some government agencies such as the TSA are essentially jobs programs, but they don't really teach people a skill that could be useful in broader society.

And guess who/what funds and makes money off of the drug cartels, who somehow have survived for decades, a short drive away from the most powerful military in the world and have attack their citizens nonstop.

 

[fokm]

Black people need incentives to get out of the drug game, and the government needs to be pickier about who they help. Being gangster and selling dope makes you lot of money, and gets you status in the streets and with the ladies. That’s what’s cool in black culture right now, and it’s core to most of the problems we’re seeing now.

The part I bolded brings up a question: What incentives are White men given in the US, overall, currently?

We agree that incentives matter, so what are White men to do without incentives? PlayStation, drugs, alcohol, media will cull some, but eventually Whites a mass of male energy will get restless.

We all need a sense of purpose. I can't say for sure that Black males are given that. I can say for sure that young White males are losing theirs.

 

[It_is_my_time]

The part I bolded brings up a question: What incentives are White men given in the US, overall, currently?

We agree that incentives matter, so what are White men to do without incentives? PlayStation, drugs, alcohol, media will cull some, but eventually Whites a mass of male energy will get restless.

We all need a sense of purpose. I can't say for sure that Black males are given that. I can say for sure that young White males are losing theirs.

Trillions have been spent. The nicest areas of the country, with the best locations were taken over. Preferential hiring/school admission/promotions are systematic and are destroying young White men. Free housing/food/lighter prison sentences, cops looking the other way.

What more can be given?

The real question, isn't how much more can be given, it is how much can we continue to give away this much, and with the poor results, still have a functioning civilization? I would say not much more when looking at the national debt, the state of the economy, and the anger growing from everyone else, especially the Asians.

 

[InspCallahan]

Sadly 98 or more percent of Indo-European Whites were lumped into this "We Need to Do Something for a Certain group of People" they had No Involvement in either rounding them up, selling them, transporting them on ships, and lastly enslaving them to Agricultural Chores.
NOT OUR PROBLEM!

Firstly the problem of removing the Bolsheviks and their Oligarchial Pimps should be the 1st order of Business if their is still any European Alpha Male stock that aren't Bought and Sold in our fake Economic System and Brainwashed by living in Insulated Liberal Professional Infested Suburbs with We are All the Same Mental Illness. Letting your Stock marry off and mix out your Ethnic identity because its hip and wonderful.

Those Bolsheviks got us good after WW2..
What a load of crap... I'll put aside that can of worms for the other thread..

 

[The Penitent Man]

Yeah, the data is opaque with that regard and heavily open to misinterpretation. Obviously it doesn't say anything good, but it seems to be being interpreted in a way to drive a certain narrative - which shouldn't be more acceptable just because it's your "side".

It does say "murderers" which alone isn't super helpful - because victims are a lot easier to count than perpetrators. Convictions? Suspects? Arrests? Given how many murders go unsolved, it would be a hard sell to convince me the accuracy of those numbers.

But lets assume they are accurate. Very likely it follows a sort of Pareto distribution, much like 80% of crimes are committed by 20% of people, or 80% of women get bagged by 20% of men, I'd highly suspect that 80 (or 90%) of murders are committed by 20 (or 10%) of men.

Even 1/365 for whites seems high. I went to high school with several murderers? I have several murderers on my FB friends?

The true stats probably wouldn't be that hard to get a ball park on. How long would the average charge for various types of homicide be? 10 years? How many people in jail at any one time, multiply by 7 to get an approx life time ball park.

I found this:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

ucr.fbi.gov

which says ~10k black murderers in 2019 (after you attribute all of the unknown category to blacks)


then this:

Murder in the U.S.: victims by race/ethnicity and gender 2020 | Statista

In 2020, 3,573 murder victims in the United States were female.

www.statista.com

Which also says about 10k black victims per year.

Don't become that which you detest. Sloppy reporting, half truths, and bad statistical analysis. The numbers, even with the most favorable assumptions possible still look pretty bad, so why not just go with that.

Of course, this assumes some integrity and good faith dealing on both sides to the scientific process, and welcoming criticism and hard questions from the opposition to defend your position - which obviously hasn't been the case through global warming/covid/sex relations/gender anything. So propagandize away I guess? Because if literally hundreds of videos of roaming packs of ferals looting and smashing everything within reach didn't do it for the various sympathizers, an "Aha! but look at this report!" probably won't do it either.

Yeah it’s probably just one black guy murdering thousands of people.

 

[Roosh]

That's a good point. Of the big three music labels, two are run by Jews (Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group) and the other is a Japanese company (Sony).

Sony is managed by execs of the same type of spirit with names like "Gottwald".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4445668/Sony-music-cuts-ties-Dr-Luke.html

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Black people need incentives to get out of the drug game, and the government needs to be pickier about who they help. Being gangster and selling dope makes you lot of money, and gets you status in the streets and with the ladies. That’s what’s cool in black culture right now, and it’s core to most of the problems we’re seeing now.

Couple that with the single mom problem (single moms who are having sex with drug dealers because it’s cool) and the cycle continues.

Going to an actual drug war with the cartel might be the best thing that happens for the black community. Once it becomes impossible to sell crack and cocaine anymore, future generations will be forced to get out of the game and do something productive. As terrible as it is, legalizing weed might do some good. You’re not gonna fight a turf war with the government. Well, at least not for very long.

Food stamps should also be given sparingly, to people with a higher likelihood of producing something for society, rather than the old 75 year old crack head that dabbles in meth because it’s cheaper. The system helps people that need it, but they help the latter too much, rather then the former.

Yeah it's a perpetual cycle. I was watching a very interesting interview the other day by Lawrence Dunegan, who happened to gain insights of the societal planners / elite in the 60s and was reflecting on it in the 80s. What he effectively said about this topic is that the plan was to introduce drugs on a large scale in society, while at the same time amping up law enforcement. Which seems like an oxymoron right? Well in their destabilization plans this was essential because then you'd hit the communities in question with the drug problems on the one side, while also incarcerating them on the other hand. So then you'd basically throw 2 punches: destroy their health and lock 'm up, which combined has led to the perpetual cycle in the black community of criminality and people going to jail. It's all a setup man: the blacks are just a battering ram for the elites to keep in dire straits by designed problems such as outlined above, while using them to belittle whitey, and cause more racial / community division. And while black and white are fighting one another, the elite is just marching on with their plans of total control, like a true Trojan horse coming in from the backside. They're doing this in Europe too with the Muzzies, I can't believe I ever was so stupid to fall for it, but my greatest political goal was to protect ''OUR FREEDOMS'' (which I see now is slavery to sin) against the Muzzies and Islam, completely falling for this divide and conquer scheme that has been around since the start of human society. Notice by the way in the US context how they specifically target the families of blacks - those in power have early seen that if you destroy this capstone the entire building collapses. So that's essential for them to keep families in utter ruins so that nothing ever can be build on any stable foundation.

 

[Gimlet]

Black people need incentives to get out of the drug game, and the government needs to be pickier about who they help. Being gangster and selling dope makes you lot of money, and gets you status in the streets and with the ladies. That’s what’s cool in black culture right now, and it’s core to most of the problems we’re seeing now.

Couple that with the single mom problem (single moms who are having sex with drug dealers because it’s cool) and the cycle continues.

The average street dealer makes less than minimum wage.

ETA:

Core to the problems are the single moms, that's the most destructive force. And when decent black women marry decent black men, they get the hell out of the hood.

 

[Thomas More]

The average street dealer makes less than minimum wage.

Core to the problems are the single moms, that's the most destructive force. And when decent black women marry decent black men, they get the hell out of the hood.

Agreed. I suspect the average petty thief and drug dealer is lucky to make $20K/year. Even if that is under the table, that is less than any job would pay.

Typically, they are too proud to be at work on time every day and do what their boss tells them, but not too proud to be a broke petty criminal in and out of jail.

 

[Gimlet]

Agreed. I suspect the average petty thief and drug dealer is lucky to make $20K/year. Even if that is under the table, that is less than any job would pay.

Typically, they are too proud to be at work on time every day and do what their boss tells them, but not too proud to be a broke petty criminal in and out of jail.

Correct. Because they did not have a father at home to hold them to standards. When you have standards set for you, you might fail. Meanwhile, the "management" in the drug trade who are making all the money treat them worse than the Walmart manager.

 

[Caractacus Potts]

Agreed. I suspect the average petty thief and drug dealer is lucky to make $20K/year. Even if that is under the table, that is less than any job would pay.

Typically, they are too proud to be at work on time every day and do what their boss tells them, but not too proud to be a broke petty criminal in and out of jail.

I think it was in Freakonomics that the author mentioned that the gang bangers asked him if he could get them the good-paying janitor jobs at his university. Guys slingin' rock on the corner can make 2K a night for themselves (after kicking the rest upstairs) but it won't be long until they are arrested and sentenced. At least that was the case before Soros funded DAs.

 

[Gimlet]

I think it was in Freakonomics that the author mentioned that the gang bangers asked him if he could get them the good-paying janitor jobs at his university. Guys slingin' rock on the corner can make 2K a night for themselves (after kicking the rest upstairs) but it won't be long until they are arrested and sentenced. At least that was the case before Soros funded DAs.

As you posted this, I inserted a video from one of the Freakonomics guys above.

 

[Robert High Hawk]

The average street dealer makes less than minimum wage.

ETA:

Core to the problems are the single moms, that's the most destructive force. And when decent black women marry decent black men, they get the hell out of the hood.

I shared a hospital room once with a low level dealer. Very cool dude actually. His best friend and business partner would visit and he was super nice too. Granted they were selling prescription drugs like oxy and stuff, which is more upscale and dare I say civilized.

Anyway these dudes were poor. They were trying to hustle every day in sometimes ridiculous and counter productive ways just to eek out literally a few bucks.

This may not be a popular take but I genuinely felt sorry for them. Got to know my roomie fairly well both directly and also because he was on the phone a lot and next bed over you hear everything.

Poor blacks are constantly crapping on each other and pulling each other down. They are also constantly trying to show status. It's pathological. I genuinely felt like my roomie was not trying to screw anyone over and had a good heart, but I saw that aside from his best friend/business partner, everyone was pulling some passive aggressive nonsense on them either through social media or through gossip just to make him look bad. I know that's nothing he should care about but this is the only community he knows and also being completely poor he needed to rely on others even those who were abusing him.

Growing up he had been beaten, robbed, stabbed, and yes shot. Sometimes literally for no reason except some boys in the hood felt bored. Crazy stuff.

Honestly a lot of the nonsense and drama came from women and maybe the real reason we got a long so well was because these dudes were WAYYYYYY red pilled on the dark side of women. They saw the worst of it all the time from truly worthless women. I think keeping ghetto women in check will go a long way to fixing the black community. Or all broken communities for that matter.

 

[FrancisK]

I shared a hospital room once with a low level dealer. Very cool dude actually. His best friend and business partner would visit and he was super nice too. Granted they were selling prescription drugs like oxy and stuff, which is more upscale and dare I say civilized.

Anyway these dudes were poor. They were trying to hustle every day in sometimes ridiculous and counter productive ways just to eek out literally a few bucks.

This may not be a popular take but I genuinely felt sorry for them. Got to know my roomie fairly well both directly and also because he was on the phone a lot and next bed over you hear everything.

Poor blacks are constantly crapping on each other and pulling each other down. They are also constantly trying to show status. It's pathological. I genuinely felt like my roomie was not trying to screw anyone over and had a good heart, but I saw that aside from his best friend/business partner, everyone was pulling some passive aggressive nonsense on them either through social media or through gossip just to make him look bad. I know that's nothing he should care about but this is the only community he knows and also being completely poor he needed to rely on others even those who were abusing him.

Growing up he had been beaten, robbed, stabbed, and yes shot. Sometimes literally for no reason except some boys in the hood felt bored. Crazy stuff.

Honestly a lot of the nonsense and drama came from women and maybe the real reason we got a long so well was because these dudes were WAYYYYYY red pilled on the dark side of women. They saw the worst of it all the time from truly worthless women. I think keeping ghetto women in check will go a long way to fixing the black community. Or all broken communities for that matter.

What makes a good criminal and what makes a good business man are two very very opposite and separate things.

As if I didn't already know this well enough, the weed game that popped up here in Michigan the past ten years or so completely cemented that idea for me. Money was flowing like you wouldn't believe, easy stupid money. Burnouts who never did anything with their lives, had no skills and no work ethic suddenly had the opportunity to make more money than they could ever thought possible. They had nothing to lose, already loved weed and already knew how to deal with that world so they were prime candidates, they all dived right in one after the other.

Now that all the dust has settled and the boom is over it's probably one out of a hundred if that who actually has anything to show for it in the end and it wasn't for a lack of making the actual money.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[holgerdanske]

It's time White people in their prime years consider leaving the West and starting over fresh. Maybe Russia should launch a political asylum program. Being quasi rendered second class citizen should be grounds for attaining political asylum.

 

[It_is_my_time]

It's time White people in their prime years consider leaving the West and starting over fresh. Maybe Russia should launch a political asylum program. Being quasi rendered second class citizen should be grounds for attaining political asylum.

The only country in the world that I believe will offer a safe future for White people, without some major pushback in the west, is Russia. Sure, there are countries like Poland and Hungary, maybe some countries in South America, but they are all puppets of the USA and they will soon fall down the same path. If they try to resist it, they will be punished severely and will have to let it go. One small step at a time. In 50 years, a White Polish man will be a 2nd class citizen in Poland.

The problem is, why would Russia willingly let Americans, even ones who are genuine and of good heart, into their country? That is asking a big thing of them to do. We are in a hot war with them, knowing we have troops located in Ukraine working to kill their troops. Even if they did let us in, how would the locals treat us, knowing our families back here are paying taxes that are killing their families?

Just some things to think about.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Maybe the comments about drug dealers making less than minimum wage used to be true, or is true in some areas. I constantly see very young men and even women, driving very nice vehicles, spending hundreds on meals out/drinks/partying it up, treating everyone else around them in such a disgusting manner. They have thousands worth of tattoos and clothes on them. I couldn't afford those things at their age, and I was working in a high paid field AND working weekends on top of it. I could afford it now, but then I wouldn't be saving for retirement or a simply rainy day.

I get it, easy come, easy go. But still, the amount I see them flashing is beyond something a person making minimum wage, or even close to it, could dream to afford.