The crisis of masculinity

Anomaly

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
As a matter of fact and by definition, matriarchal or gynocentric societies don't last, die out, etc. What we are seeing now.

Checking out is a slow revolt.
Good points.

I apologize to anyone here for my zealousness for this threads topic but it is a huge concern of mine.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Good points.

I apologize to anyone here for my zealousness for this threads topic but it is a huge concern of mine.
I posted what I did because if you have many above average characteristics and money to boot, but can't find a proper woman or wife, what's the point as you age? I don't want to and don't want others to stray with casual relationships but the modern day demons have the women under so much control that's all you can see them as. Quite pathetic.
 

Anomaly

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
I posted what I did because if you have many above average characteristics and money to boot, but can't find a proper woman or wife, what's the point as you age? I don't want to and don't want others to stray with casual relationships but the modern day demons have the women under so much control that's all you can see them as. Quite pathetic.
I understand.

What I meant was I have a concern for other men generally and my son specifically. Thankfully I found a woman in this hellscape.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
As a matter of fact and by definition, matriarchal or gynocentric societies don't last, die out, etc. What we are seeing now.

Checking out is a slow revolt.
This is a fantastic point. Since the dawn of human time we've never seen a matriarchy succeed. Surely there have been matriarchies, but they've been outcompeted so quickly that they didn't leave any historical legacy, not a temple, nor a book, nor a story.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
There were actually measures and institutions that didn’t allow much for this, actually for nearly all of history.
Exactly, I realize now that the whole setup of society with all its boundaries was to keep both men and women from not going to their worst behavior, looking for the absolute edges, destroying themselves, which is not only permitted right now, but supported, celebrated and encouraged.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
A big part of the crisis of masculinity is societal/cultural/social condition of course, and the media plays a huge role in that. This whole stuff isn't about the perceived far-rightism, but about man being strong and forming groups. That's the last thing they want, for that'd be a threat to the system. If you want to protect your system kill the warrior class, that's what ancient groups always have done first when they conquered a tribe.

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Anomaly

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
Exactly, I realize now that the whole setup of society with all its boundaries was to keep both men and women from not going to their worst behavior, looking for the absolute edges, destroying themselves, which is not only permitted right now, but supported, celebrated and encouraged.
Exactly, I realize now that the whole setup of society with all its boundaries was to keep both men and women from not going to their worst behavior, looking for the absolute edges, destroying themselves, which is not only permitted right now, but supported, celebrated and encouraged.
There were several things in place:
1) Criminalization of adultery.
2) Criminalization of aliens of affection. For example, England had legalized revenge killing for male homewreckers.
3) Slut shaming.
4) Obscenity laws.
5) Social norms and expectations for both genders.
6) “No-fault” divorce did not exist.
7) Women could not vote.
8) No welfare state.
9) Abortion was illegal.
10) The pill was looked upon as scandalous and was not widely accessible.
11) There were not “sex educators” and parents telling young people “don’t get/get her pregnant!”
12) Porn was outlawed.
13) Arranged marriage or at least some parental oversight in the marriage process.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
And if you ask them to what time do you actually want to go back?
1985
There were actually measures and institutions that didn’t allow much for this, actually for nearly all of history.
How long has it been now that porn as videos is so accessible? I'm guessing 15 years. As someone mentioned, if that suddenly disappeared again and was banned it would certainly have some kind of social consequence. Maybe right now it's unimaginable, but it's still not inconceivable that there may be a grass roots movement one day to destroy the porn industry perhaps initally just regionally and ban it as it used to be banned.

It is not the whole problem but must certainly be a factor which enables this somewhat twisted state of affairs which we observe.

I also concur it requires excessively sharp game to pull nowadays, it is truly over the top.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
1985

How long has it been now that porn as videos is so accessible? I'm guessing 15 years. As someone mentioned, if that suddenly disappeared again and was banned it would certainly have some kind of social consequence. Maybe right now it's unimaginable, but it's still not inconceivable that there may be a grass roots movement one day to destroy the porn industry perhaps initally just regionally and ban it as it used to be banned.

It is not the whole problem but must certainly be a factor which enables this somewhat twisted state of affairs which we observe.

I also concur it requires excessively sharp game to pull nowadays, it is truly over the top.
1985? Why?
 

Anomaly

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
1985

How long has it been now that porn as videos is so accessible? I'm guessing 15 years. As someone mentioned, if that suddenly disappeared again and was banned it would certainly have some kind of social consequence. Maybe right now it's unimaginable, but it's still not inconceivable that there may be a grass roots movement one day to destroy the porn industry perhaps initally just regionally and ban it as it used to be banned.

It is not the whole problem but must certainly be a factor which enables this somewhat twisted state of affairs which we observe.

I also concur it requires excessively sharp game to pull nowadays, it is truly over the top.
As Roger Devlin pointed out, porn should be outlawed but it is an epiphenomenon, a symptom of unrestrained hypergamy that results in womanless men.

Right now men are generally too hooked, weak, gynocentric (We wouldn’t wanna tell a consenting woman what to do now, would we? That would be mean.”), and morally corrupt for there to be a strike on its consumption.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
1985? Why?
That was my early childhood and it's subjective and based on intuition, but my impression is that the 50s were almost stifling in how rigid they were, the 60s were clown with feminism and drugs, the 70s were too experimental as well with free love and all these hippy anti-war movements. As for the 80s, I always think of that "greed is good" speech from the film "Wall Street". Obviously, it's a different kind of excess, but it was at least a decade of healthy heterosexuality and healthy capitalism. Men were allowed to wear speedos. I think by the 90s things had already gone in a wrong direction with those sitcoms like Seinfeld, Friends and bands like Nirvana and by the time 9/11 came everything started rapidly descending into clown.

I think you can still live a good life now even as a man but there's a big chance you won't and it requires too much luck, introspection etc, more than it did in the past.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
That was my early childhood and it's subjective and based on intuition, but my impression is that the 50s were almost stifling in how rigid they were, the 60s were clown with feminism and drugs, the 70s were too experimental as well with free love and all these hippy anti-war movements. As for the 80s, I always think of that "greed is good" speech from the film "Wall Street". Obviously, it's a different kind of excess, but it was at least a decade of healthy heterosexuality and healthy capitalism. Men were allowed to wear speedos. I think by the 90s things had already gone in a wrong direction with those sitcoms like Seinfeld, Friends and bands like Nirvana and by the time 9/11 came everything started rapidly descending into clown.

I think you can still live a good life now even as a man but there's a big chance you won't and it requires too much luck, introspection etc, more than it did in the past.
By 1985 things had already gone down hill. But I understand your nostalgia. I graduated high school in 84 so I remember the 80’s well.
 

Eric

Chicken
Gnostic or New Age
There were several things in place:
1) Criminalization of adultery.
2) Criminalization of aliens of affection. For example, England had legalized revenge killing for male homewreckers.
3) Slut shaming.
4) Obscenity laws.
5) Social norms and expectations for both sexes.
6) “No-fault” divorce did not exist.
7) Women could not vote.
8) No welfare state.
9) Abortion was illegal.
10) The pill was looked upon as scandalous and was not widely accessible.
11) There were not “sex educators” and parents telling young people “don’t get/get her pregnant!”
12) Porn was outlawed.
13) Arranged marriage or at least some parental oversight in the marriage process.

Made a correction.

It is important to keep in mind that gender is a social construct whereas sex is a biological construct, always hold the frame and never use "their" language. This is where we get sex, unisex, heterosexuality, sex pay gap, sex roles, war between the sexes, traditional sex roles etc from. Not gender. (there are 30+ of those I believe and counting, they make new ones up all the time)

Just as there is not such thing as trans women... (women are not trans anything, suggesting there are trans women means you accept to redefine what a woman is to include mentally ill males, which would be an absurd thing to do.) They are trans males who sail under false colors pretending to be women. That's all. Gaslighting themselves into believing that they are something that they are not, namely: the opposite sex. Doesn't matter how much they medicate and mutilate themselves, they will never be women. They do not have the biological markers, or the brain or the....

//On a spiritual level the attack on the two sexes is an attempt to destroy what makes us human, IT (you know, the consciousness that is in in direct opposition of father) wants to destroy us, to turn us into something that is not of ITS creation. Since it can't create anything itself (only corrupt, think corruption of DNA, heck, think viruses and bio-weapons used for that very purpose) it has to corrupt us on ALL levels, mental, physical, sexual and spiritual. This is very real, not a joke. It want something that is neither male or female, and this warfare plays itself out here in this 3D realm, which is also why IT is attacking children now, oh yes, full blown warfare on children grooming them as early as 3-4 years of age, in "school"!! But I'm digressing a bit//

It's important to get this right. The moment you accept their language and their made up definitions is when you lose the frame, lose the battle and eventually lose the war.

Never ever use gender. Always use sex, always male and female, always XY and XX.

I am not taking a dig at you, just making this clear. It is crucial that no one uses their language and their made up definitions.
 
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Anomaly

Sparrow
Trad Catholic
Made a correction.

It is important to keep in mind that gender is a social construct whereas sex is a biological construct, always hold the frame and never use "their" language. This is where we get sex, unisex, heterosexuality, sex pay gap, sex roles, war between the sexes, traditional sex roles etc from. Not gender. (there are 30+ of those I believe and counting, they make new ones up all the time)

Just as there is not such thing as trans women... (women are not trans anything, suggesting there are trans women means you accept to redefine what a woman is to include mentally ill males, which would be an absurd thing to do.) They are trans males who sail under false colors pretending to be women. That's all.

It's important to get this right. The moment you accept their language and their made up definitions is when you lose the frame, lose the battle and eventually lose the war.

Never ever use gender. Always use sex, always male and female, always XY and XX.

I am not taking a dig at you, just making this clear. It is crucial that no one uses their language and their made up definitions.
True! I think that I made that mistake simply from hearing their language so much!
 
As Roger Devlin pointed out, porn should be outlawed but it is an epiphenomenon, a symptom of unrestrained hypergamy that results in womanless men.

Right now men are generally too hooked, weak, gynocentric (We wouldn’t wanna tell a consenting woman what to do now, would we? That would be mean.”), and morally corrupt for there to be a strike on its consumption.
I'm glad someone else addresses this. The reason why coomers get really angry and turn into coomertarians when you suggest banning porn is because they're scared to go back to being alone with no sexual release, and porn serves as an effective cope for their situation. The real way to ban porn is to fix whatever is causing the men to turn to it in the first place.

A patriarchal order or some kind of male scarcity to increase mens values like it did in America post WW2 are the only societies where men have a fair chance at finding a woman, otherwise women will just compete over chads while the average joes and below are hung out to dry by having to settle for porn, waifus, or trannies.
 
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