The crisis of masculinity

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droughtmeat

Kingfisher
Catholic
Blade Runner said:
I'm sad to say that in this world the good of having so may humans born strains ecology or induces more evil leaders to (over time) try to cull the herd. It takes a long time to get there, but I've been trying to make this point of the board for over a year now. High numbers of men in safety and without war for a long time (medical innovation, no real plagues, no real famines) is ultimately an ecological disaster if you want higher quality women. It is a complicated situation due to the loss of religion in the west over that time as well, but that is also what happens when you get increasing numbers of (absolute numbers) of average and below average people. I know this sounds like an elitist position but it's actually, quite clearly the case. Let me prove it another way - what's the strategy for increasing numbers of men that have trouble competing with other men? Things like lying to women and feminism, white knighting politically, etc.
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What you're saying definitely makes sense, but I would argue that the large amounts of average and below average people are the result of entertainment, phones, porn, lack of exercise, fast food etc. I'm not saying that the problem could easily be solved, however, I'm quite sure that if porn weren't so easily accessible and schools and universities made students follow a daily exercise regimen of bodyweight squats, lunges pushups and pullups, that would already significantly reduce the amount of fat and lazy men/boys.

Even most of the self improvement industry at its core is really just saying: "go outside, exercise, read, stop watching porn." That alone is already life changing for many people. The fact that they need someone to actively tell them to do those things shows that there is something very unnatural about the way humans live right now.
 
Blade Runner

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
droughtmeat said:
What you're saying definitely makes sense, but I would argue that the large amounts of average and below average people are the result of entertainment, phones, porn, lack of exercise, fast food etc. I'm not saying that the problem could easily be solved, however, I'm quite sure that if porn weren't so easily accessible and schools and universities made students follow a daily exercise regimen of bodyweight squats, lunges pushups and pullups, that would already significantly reduce the amount of fat and lazy men/boys.

Even most of the self improvement industry at its core is really just saying: "go outside, exercise, read, stop watching porn." That alone is already life changing for many people. The fact that they need someone to actively tell them to do those things shows that there is something very unnatural about the way humans live right now.
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You are theoretically right but with this number of people - don't forget that easy times means many progeny as I stated - the numbers, and my points, take hold. Like everything in life, everyone has an option to be better. What we see is that with more and more people, there is more propaganda, more going with the flow, more departure from survival and discipline. In a sense you're actually proving my point. With a more difficult life there are more concentrated, highly functional (traditional) tribes because that's what it takes to survive. What we see with western women en masse is yet another proof of my point, because it's actually the same one.
 
Cr33pin

Cr33pin

Peacock
Other Christian
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There is something deep down embedded in my being that makes me despise weak men.

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Viktor Zeegelaar

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Cr33pin said:
There is something deep down embedded in my being that makes me despise weak men.

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So do women, and so do these men themselves. The world is binary. Weakness opposes strength. Cowardice opposes bravery. Responsibility opposes dependability. It's a sad state of affairs and I feel sorry for these men out of first hand experience, because to be fair, there'll be no one reaching them their hand or giving them a ticket to the white path. It's only after deep deliberation and a hero's journey for truth that they may get out of the maze of auspicious lies that has been bombarded them from the day when they were born, by a society designed to destroy them on every level humanly possible.
 
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
Believe it or not, Art History was my minor in college. It served me well because I understand how culture and art are used by the left. I recall a textbook called "Crisis of Masculinity", this was from the late 1990s. It went like this, the book said that after WWII men were in crisis because of modernity and consumer culture. My reaction at that time is that this was completely out of touch. Even in 1998 there was no crisis of masculinity. My male peers were competitive, tough, and masculine. It was a fabricated thesis and the motivation was feminism, which wanted to create the illusion that there was a crisis when there really wasn't one. As time went on, such a crisis did in fact develop but not because of the reasons are given in this book or the feminist narrative. It was entirely contrived and artificial. That's why I'm always talking about how our current situation is artificial. This book and the institution behind engendered a crisis by simply saying it existed. Years later, the cultural conditioning and numerous pro-women/feminists policies made this crisis real. But, its not due to post WWII or consumerism or modernity. Yes, those things don't help and, therefore, appear to be drivers, but, 95% of what we're experiencing today is due to an agenda and not some kind of unstoppable modern phenomenon. If there is a crisis its deliberate and imposed. Take this odious influence away and masculinity will come roaring back, so its not lost or gone, its sedated and suppressed for political reasons.
 
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OrthodoxLaity

 
Banned
Orthodox
Viktor Zeegelaar said:
The problem with conservatives is that they don't conserve anything. And if you ask them to what time do you actually want to go back? What do you want to conserve? Often what they want to conserve are the liberal values of vague and meaningless ''freedom''. They're always reacting, never playing ball.
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If you are asking about the best time period to return to, then it would have to be before 1st Wave Feminism AKA Women's Suffrage in the 1900s when women demanded the right to vote.

Another good time period to return to is before 500 BCE when the Jews established their religion and got their tribes organized and united so that they could start infiltrating the newly formed European states of that time and spread all manner of faggotry in Western Society.

The conservative values would have to be modesty, abstinence, frugality and stoicism.

Aside from the endocrine disruptors the Jews are putting in our water supply and commercial products, which are lowering men's testosterone levels, and the gun control being pushed by the government, another factor emasculating men is the committing of undisciplined behavior.

Masculinity is about discipline.

In our modern times, boys are forced to expose their flesh in communal gym showers and swimming classes in school, causing them to be faggoty libtards.

Peers pressure their friends to abuse substances in their homes, bars or nightclubs in order to be "cool".

Modern metrosexual men are wasting money on cosmetic treatments, pink clothes, skinny jeans, pointed shoes and girly haircuts which are feminine products.

Modern hipster and metrosexual men are becoming more and more feminine thanks to a combination of being forced to listen to love ballads and soft rock in public places, such as malls, and being exposed to endocrine disruptors such as BPA, parabens and phtalates.
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

Viktor Zeegelaar

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OrthodoxLaity said:
The conservative values would have to be modesty, abstinence, frugality and stoicism.

Aside from the endocrine disruptors the Jews are putting in our water supply and commercial products which are lowering men's testosterone levels and the gun control being pushed by the government, another factor emasculating men is the committing of undisciplined behavior.

Masculinity is about discipline.
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And that's why the absence of a father - physical or with a father but without real masculine fatherly influence - gets boys in prison and girls in the pole. Women don't enforce discipline. They avoid conflict, keeping the harmony, and if that means letting a 12 year old boy screaming around then that's it. I saw it just this morning in the supermarket, 2 kids of about 8 just screaming and running around like crazy and the mother saying nothing. Then this discipline really hit me. That's literally the reason why for example so many young black US men end up in prison. Their father wasn't there to discipline them so they went off the rails in an instant. And the scary thing is that this is all being done intentionally.
 
ginsu

ginsu

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Its my perspective that what's supposed to be will be.

If you are truly masculine in your core that can never be suppressed forever, those who have the need to be will find a way to become masculine no matter how much the culture tries to prevent that.

That's the definition of masculinity, carving your own path cutting through any resistance you find.

Its a sink or swim scenario how harsh that may sound, i didn't chose this but it is what it is.

The masculine man will be a rarity but he will be more crystalized and well rounded in his identity than ever before.

Standing out from the hordes of nu-males.
 
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Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
OrthodoxLaity said:
If you are asking about the best time period to return to, then it would have to be before 1st Wave Feminism AKA Women's Suffrage in the 1900s when women demanded the right to vote.

Another good time period to return to is before 500 BCE when the Jews established their religion and got their tribes organized and united so that they could start infiltrating the newly formed European states of that time and spread all manner of faggotry in Western Society.

The conservative values would have to be modesty, abstinence, frugality and stoicism.

Aside from the endocrine disruptors the Jews are putting in our water supply and commercial products, which are lowering men's testosterone levels, and the gun control being pushed by the government, another factor emasculating men is the committing of undisciplined behavior.

Masculinity is about discipline.

In our modern times, boys are forced to expose their flesh in communal gym showers and swimming classes in school, causing them to be faggoty libtards.

Peers pressure their friends to abuse substances in their homes, bars or nightclubs in order to be "cool".

Modern metrosexual men are wasting money on cosmetic treatments, pink clothes, skinny jeans, pointed shoes and girly haircuts which are feminine products.

Modern hipster and metrosexual men are becoming more and more feminine thanks to a combination of being forced to listen to love ballads and soft rock in public places, such as malls, and being exposed to endocrine disruptors such as BPA, parabens and phtalates.
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Not to nitpick but we as Christians should never use BCE in place of AD. Anno Domine year of our Lord.
 
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Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
OrthodoxLaity said:
BCE is before Christ not after.
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My mistake. But it should be just BC. BCE means before common era. It combined with CE replaces the Christian designations of before Christ and Year of our Lord. I would add isn’t the Jews being organized and brought to monotheism in 500 BC an act of God’s Will.
 
infowarrior1

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Elipe said:
Yes. It begins with schoolteachers punishing boys for any expression of masculinity, e.g. hitting. And laws that make it possible to litigate someone hitting you in public as "battery" no matter how restrained it was.

Also see hate speech laws.
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Punishing boys that hit back especially when they get assaulted. They have every right to neutralize the assaulter that doesn't involve murder. If they well trained in Gracie Ju Jitsu and is able to counter the person attacking them. Even better.
 
infowarrior1

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
OrthodoxLaity said:
If you are asking about the best time period to return to, then it would have to be before 1st Wave Feminism AKA Women's Suffrage in the 1900s when women demanded the right to vote.

Another good time period to return to is before 500 BCE when the Jews established their religion and got their tribes organized and united so that they could start infiltrating the newly formed European states of that time and spread all manner of faggotry in Western Society.

The conservative values would have to be modesty, abstinence, frugality and stoicism.

Aside from the endocrine disruptors the Jews are putting in our water supply and commercial products, which are lowering men's testosterone levels, and the gun control being pushed by the government, another factor emasculating men is the committing of undisciplined behavior.

Masculinity is about discipline.

In our modern times, boys are forced to expose their flesh in communal gym showers and swimming classes in school, causing them to be faggoty libtards.

Peers pressure their friends to abuse substances in their homes, bars or nightclubs in order to be "cool".

Modern metrosexual men are wasting money on cosmetic treatments, pink clothes, skinny jeans, pointed shoes and girly haircuts which are feminine products.

Modern hipster and metrosexual men are becoming more and more feminine thanks to a combination of being forced to listen to love ballads and soft rock in public places, such as malls, and being exposed to endocrine disruptors such as BPA, parabens and phtalates.
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Bridal Mysticism has done quite a number in separating Men from the Church in the West:


I recommend those texts.
 
John777

John777

 
Banned
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OrthodoxLaity said:
The conservative values would have to be modesty, abstinence, frugality and stoicism.
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I agree.

Let's add self-control/moderation, manliness/bravery/strength, prudence/foresight, and righteousness/discernment/judgment, the 4 classical virtues.

Also, from 2 Peter 1 add:
Knowledge, steadfastness, godliness, and brotherly affection.

And of course, faith, hope, and love.
 
Viktor Zeegelaar

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
ginsu said:
Its my perspective that what's supposed to be will be.

If you are truly masculine in your core that can never be suppressed forever, those who have the need to be will find a way to become masculine no matter how much the culture tries to prevent that.

That's the definition of masculinity, carving your own path cutting through any resistance you find.

Its a sink or swim scenario how harsh that may sound, i didn't chose this but it is what it is.

The masculine man will be a rarity but he will be more crystalized and well rounded in his identity than ever before.

Standing out from the hordes of nu-males.
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That's true, social conditioning only goes so far. For a man usually your life starts to crumble down due to the lies in your 20s, for a woman that's in her 30s. These are the periods where the quintessential masculine and feminine paradigm have to come out - for the man as you just don't make it in life without being rooted in reality as no one will catch you up when you fall down - and for the woman as she'll get the yearning feeling for a family and children due to her time running out. The problem in the equation however is - who do you go to to learn how you be a male or a female? Who's gonna teach you? Your father is probably either not there, a beta simp, or a man who tries his best but has no clue how the world works due to him falling the the relentless barrage of propaganda since the time he grew up. Your mother isn't gonna teach you anything as she hasn't been taught anything and bought into the superficial stupidity of blank slate equalism, which feels good but she has no idea what she's really saying, and moreover altogether society has drifted towards the cliff so much harder, in such a more relentlessly accelerated fashion than the decades before that the marketplace we live in is a building that is about to break down.

For most, the only way towards this journey and quest of understanding reality, understanding the lies we're under and as quintessential essence what masculinity and feminity entails and which behaviors accompany our inner cores, is going through the internet. Some, like me, through the PUA sphere, then rolling over in the other truth spheres, with essentially turning everything upside down and seeing that whole society is a blatant, and actually once you see it pretty easily dismantable, lie. But in order to get an understanding of feminity and masculinity you have to make a heroes journey through the depths of darkness of your soul and the internet. I couldn't name anyone or any accessible instutition in my Western country where I could've learn anything of this, where I could've got any ''catechism'' so to speak (not mentioning the church as it's so heavily vilified and outcast), nor any influence through a father, brother, uncle, grandfather, teacher or whomever. To get to the most basic facts about reality nowadays takes a quest that's almost akin to Alexander the Great conquering half the world and making it to the Hindu Kush.
 
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