The Dangerous Women Of Wisconsin

Roosh

Cardinal
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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The following is an excerpt from my new book American Pilgrim. It will be released this Friday.

Madison was also full of attractive and naïve-looking young women thanks to the University of Wisconsin. My first experience with one was in a supermarket. I asked the female clerk for a bonus card to save a few cents on my shopping. She asked for my mailing address. When I made an offhand comment about being from “out of town,” she interviewed me about where I was from and what I was doing in Wisconsin. Telling her that I was on a massive road trip was all that was needed for her eyes to open wide and give me a long stare. When a man receives such a look, intimacy is not far away. It would have been effortless at that point to get her number, but instead I got my bonus card and walked off.

Later while at a Starbucks, a series of young women who were alone sat next to me. Two were attractive enough, and starting a conversation with them as an out-of-towner would have been natural. There were more young women on the streets and many of them made eye contact. These women weren’t the hottest I had seen, but they were cute and young. A six out of ten in Madison is an eight in many other parts of America, and based on the excessive public display of leftist catchphrases, I doubt they would have objected to casual sex. Maybe I received so much attention because the young men possessed an effeminate manner, making affirmative statements with the intonation of a question. The hours dragged on and the girls kept looking at me. They were dying to interact with a man! Why Madison has a flood of soy boys, whereas I hardly saw any in the cities of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, I do not know.

I knew that my lust could quickly be sated by the women of Madison, who were leftist enough to engage in premarital sex but not so leftist to be ugly. It reminded me of Poland, a country I had lived in for five years that had the exact same type of female. I could stay in Madison for one night and resist the temptation on willpower alone, but to live here would pose a great difficulty for me, because it was obvious that women would give me enough attention that I could unconsciously transmute into sex.



The women of Madison were so starved of masculinity that even a stony look could elicit their submission. In the afternoon I was on the street filming a homeless encampment for my travelogue. As I finished recording a clip, I heard the voice of a woman ten feet away saying, “Why is he doing that? He shouldn’t do that.” I put my phone away as she geared up to make another statement of complaint. Then I stood still and stared at her. Immediately, she looked away and stopped talking to her male friend, who didn’t look at me either.

The temptation continued in La Crosse, Wisconsin, even though it had a fraction of the university students as Madison. In my brief walk through the center, a beautiful brunette locked eyes with me. I had the opportunity to approach her with a basic “Do you know where I can find…?” opener, but I let the opportunity pass.

I went to the fast-food restaurant Culver’s for a meal. The young woman who served me was excessively friendly, as if she had targeted me specifically to release her affections. When I was leaving and walking out the door, she shouted after me to ask if I enjoyed the meal. She seemed eager to converse further.

At the cheap hotel where I stayed the night, the front desk was staffed by a woman with a thick Eastern European accent. Before I could ask her where she was from, she asked me. It turned out that she was from Iaşi, Romania, a city I happened to live in for three months, a fact that excited her. Arranging for some kind of date after her shift to “talk about life in Romania” would have been a foregone conclusion. I had been presented with a number of potential sexual opportunities for two straight days. In the past, I’d celebrate this fact and bless my luck, but now I cursed it and suspected some form of demonic attack.

If Satan wanted to get me, he could send an attractive girl to one of my events, and have her make it obvious that she wanted to engage in fornication immediately. It might seem that I was helping him by thinking this way but Satan already knew my weaknesses. He and his lieutenants had been examining me my whole life, and knew exactly how to trip me up. Without God’s help, I had no chance, and would fail on the very first temptation, but with God’s grace, I just might make it.

The above is an excerpt from my new book American Pilgrim. It will be released this Friday.

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Elipe

Kingfisher
In many ways, you must really feel like you're at the zoo when you visit cities like that. All those creatures in captivity, pacing back and fro within their cells because they don't know anything better to do. It's kind of fascinating to watch how people cope with their mental prisons, how so many human interactions nowadays could be written into a script, and none of it would feel any less organic than it already does. That's why the NPC meme resonates so much. People have given themselves over to NPC-ness. They don't stop to think about what they're doing and why they're doing it. You break the script, and it confuses them.

Like that girl you gave the stony look to, giving her that look broke the script for her because she was accustomed to the script saying that the male must somehow signal obsequiousness and submission, like by using a questioning intonation when making a matter-of-fact statement. She wasn't expecting that; it threw her off her script, and that confused her.

And confusion usually leads to interest. Very few men these days break the script, so there's something special about the men that do.
 

Slide-Rule

Sparrow
The Good Lord has seen fit to bless me with The Uglies...

My advice: Whatever you have to do, don't give in and don't give up. If you have to use up an entire container of Lysol wipes cleaning your bathroom, do that. If you have to run until you puke, do that. If you need to teach yourself all of mathematics, Arithmetic through Differential Equations and beyond, do that. It you have to spend the night sleeping on Church pew, do that. If you have to find a nice hole in a ground, with nothing but a copy of The Bible and a Prayerbook, do that.

It's simple: Don't give in or give up. It's not easy, but it is simple.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Lived in Wisconsin for over a decade (although I lived in the far more dysfunctional Milwaukee). Spot on, Roosh.

Madison is a college town that people move to, so the soy boy numbers are far higher. People generally don't move to Milwaukee for obvious reasons - it's not much better than other decaying cities like Cleveland or Buffalo, and crime is very high.

(Also, Culver's has a fanatical following for a reason - I once even gave it up for Lent.)
 
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My extended family lives outside one of the cities you mentioned, and the opposite occurrs in the rural areas. Seeing someone raised by a firm country dad in a city presents them with a break in their code like @Elipe mentioned. Fortunately I brought my wife-to-be on the last few visits.
 
The Good Lord has seen fit to bless me with The Uglies...

My advice: Whatever you have to do, don't give in and don't give up. If you have to use up an entire container of Lysol wipes cleaning your bathroom, do that. If you have to run until you puke, do that. If you need to teach yourself all of mathematics, Arithmetic through Differential Equations and beyond, do that. It you have to spend the night sleeping on Church pew, do that. If you have to find a nice hole in a ground, with nothing but a copy of The Bible and a Prayerbook, do that.

It's simple: Don't give in or give up. It's not easy, but it is simple.
Being unattractive is an unknown blessing in many ways. Too bad too many think it's always a curse.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
The idea that despair is the other side of the pride coin often trips people up because they don't think about it, or how bad it is. Thinking that someone is out to get you or that things always go wrong presumes that you are some kind of special in the opposite way of this narcissist. Both think that others, or some magical force in the universe, cares about them in ways that are completely delusional.
 

jordypip23

Ostrich
Gold Member
There are areas in western Michigan & parts of Minnesota that might share some similar demographics. Madison is an interesting cookie though being a notable college town. Also don't forget that the University of Wisconsin is considered a Big 10 Midwestern backup school for some of the wealthier kids of the Chicago area & especially from out ((East)) in addition to University of Michigan, Indiana University, etc. There are certainly parts of Wisconsin that resemble the America of the distant past, although a lot of that agricultural & manufacturing revenue has likely dried up. As someone else pointed out, Milwaukee (unlike Madison) is basically a smaller Chicago with a lot in common with other rustbelt cousins like Cleveland or Detroit :)
 

messaggera

Woodpecker
Woman
I had been presented with a number of potential sexual opportunities for two straight days. In the past, I’d celebrate this fact and bless my luck, but now I cursed it and suspected some form of demonic attack.

If Satan wanted to get me, he could send an attractive girl to one of my events, and have her make it obvious that she wanted to engage in fornication immediately. It might seem that I was helping him by thinking this way but Satan already knew my weaknesses. He and his lieutenants had been examining me my whole life, and knew exactly how to trip me up. Without God’s help, I had no chance, and would fail on the very first temptation, but with God’s grace, I just might make it.

Traveling can bring hunger and fatigue - making us an easier target for Satan to attempt his temptations.

As Roosh points out Satan knows our weaknesses.
And if Satan can not get to us he will go after the individuals closest to us - attempting to cause turmoil.

Can we view temptations like tribulations, as both are trials to help Christians mature spiritually and prove our hearts are loyal to Christ?
 
I stayed in Madison for about 18 months until the pandemic. I felt very "exotic" even though I'm a white Texan. I can concur the desperation... I found a lot of success in exaggerated displays of masculinity and conservatism -- they'd hate it, but love me.

Lots of open witchcraft in Witchconsin. Norse flavored.

The alcoholism was something else. I thought I'd seen hard drinking in the South, but nothing compared to Wisconsin. Young women really think nothing of getting obliterated all the time and walking home alone in the freezing darkness. I'm surprised more people don't die.

Those people destroyed their own downtown bar crawl for George Floyd. There aren't any black people there. That town is so affluent and lefty that their big crime problem was with kids going joy riding. That means they're not even getting their kicks by selling drugs like everywhere else.
 
Why do people still think women respond positively to masculine men? They don’t! You can try to pretend all you want that these women were “attracted” to you because of “limited masculinity of the men of Madison”, but that’s simply not true.

They responded positively to you (non-sexually) for two reasons:


  1. You look as if you are homeless and don’t give a damn about it. Therefore, “confidence”.
  2. As a Silver Fox, you could be poorer than dirt, but her Marxist hypergamy assumes wealth with age.
No question in my mind that these girls flirted with you. But Millennial and Gen Z women haven’t got a clue what real flirting actually is. They claim that a man cracking jokes out of sheer boredom at work is “flirting”, thus he is “leading her on” and has “no confidence” if nothing progresses further. I personally have a lifelong reputation as being a “flirt”, but I assure you, I have never once flirted in my life with anybody. But when a woman is actually flirting with a man and is loose and laid back and warm, she claims that’s she’s just being “polite”.
100% guaranteed that the women you think were open to sexual encounters just simply were not.

As for being more masculine than men in Madison. This may be true. In fact, it probably is. But it’s beyond foolish to pretend that Millennial and Gen Z women are attracted to masculinity today as women of generations past.

Let’s assume that you are correct and that these young women were truly ready to have sex with you. Their respect for you died instantly because you hadn’t even made the attempt. They now view you has having “no confidence” and “low testosterone”. Because feminism has taught women that a man’s purpose is ejaculating and nothing more. Much of the so-called “red pilled” community agrees with this, as they use leftist bullshit like “evolution” to make their argument.

Women today want to be worshipped. They claim to want to be “pursued” and to “feel wanted”, but they never reward the man who “steps up to the plate” and “man’s up” in his pursuit. They do not reward the “approach”.

Instead, they fantasize over the “dark” and “mysterious” guy that isn’t paying her any attention. This is why every guy knows that you never flirt with the girl you like initially, but instead focus on her friend. It’s become a universal truth. A woman doesn’t have her own individualized opinion of you; she forms it based on groupthink. She will call you “ugly” once you piss her or her friends off, but if she sees you as the life of the party in a more dominant group, she reconsiders what is “ugly” very fast.
The problem is, thanks to feminism, they eventually classify the “dark” and “mysterious” man as “weak”. Because he isn’t “hunting”. He isn’t “going after what he wants”. Women today think a tight ass and perky tits is plenty to attract a quality man. They don’t want to put in real effort. They don’t want to give out any sign of interest at all that they are interested in a guy. A “real man” must assume and hope to guess right and not get slapped with a sexual harassment/assault charge. In the animal kingdom, it is the female that puts out a mating call while in heat, inviting the males to “approach”. The modern woman won’t make eye contact with a man. They certainly won’t smile at a man. Instead they will bury their heads into their phones and cry about how there aren’t any “real men” any more, and cry into a box of wine and a pint of Haagen-daas. It’s no wonder that in the 10 years since college, I’ve only physically seen women at a handful of NFL games and two Trump rallies. They literally do nothing to attract men to them. Sure, women may be “everywhere” like what is claimed. But they do nothing to make themselves stand out and for men to take notice.

Young women pick beta losers in college. The settle for the weak man that is overly sexual, regardless of their looks. Because in current year, being thirsty for sex and doing whatever you can to have it is “confidence” to this generation of women. A man who can take it or leave it only if the opportunity presents itself isn’t a “real man”.

After college, women realize that these are not real men, so they condemn all men their own age and they waste their 20s with older men who promise them “something real”, only to discard them when they reach 30 for someone much hotter and younger. At 40, they finally want an actual man again like they did in high school. But we actual men don’t want them, for we are only interested in debt free virgins without tattoos. A man’s prime is not 35, but 27. Which is why men retire from sports in their 30s. Unless already married, a man past his prime has absolutely no need nor interest in women. The companionship a man naturally seeks that modern women are not at all willing to give can be best found in getting a dog. A man at that stage who still has a need to get his rocks off has some severe developmental disorders and high estrogen levels.

Notice too after finding Christianity how much more difficult you have found women to be. You made the hilarious claim that Christian women are not into pre-marital sex. LOL man, I can tell you countless stories about Christian men who lost the “Christian conservative” woman that they thought they were going to marry because they never once made sex a topic of discussion. I have encountered hundred of so-called “Christian” women who claim to be virgins and insist on no sex before marriage, but then insist that their future husbands be “real men” and “moderately experienced” in bed, because they don’t want to “teach them sex” and “how to be a man” on their wedding night. His soul be damned. “Christian conservative” women are the absolute worst kind of woman, with the most unrealistic financial expectations, distorting the Bible to justify expecting men to all be rich in order to “provide”.

Tell one of these “Christian conservative” women that you agree with no pre-marital sex, and their respect for you will diminish instantly. They want the power of denying your advances. Your advances is what gives them their value. ONLY if other women want you however, as expressed entirely to them by your sexual experiences.

I’m interested in reading this book. But your analysis on Madison men and what women really want is simply way, way off. Women of my generation and younger are too far gone, and you are making conclusions based on women of your generation and older.
 
Being unattractive is an unknown blessing in many ways. Too bad too many think it's always a curse.
Try being an attractive, Alpha male in America, born to Boomer parents, and want NOTHING that modern woman has to offer. Then add Christianity to the mix, with firm Christian based limits on age gaps, and you're in for a real Hell of a life!

- Parents obsess that you aren't having sex, which makes you want to have sex even less
- The world calls you "gay"
- Feminists call you a "bitter mysogynist"
- Liberals call you an "incel"
- Lolbertarians blame "porn and video games" and accuse you of being a "chronic masturbator"
- Cuckservatives call you a "beta" and to "man up" and to "provide"
- Women try to end your life for not sharing your "resources" and seed with the sisterhood
- So called red-pilled delusional betas shriek and call you a "jealous woman" when you tell them that desiring younger women is part of the feminist plan to secure "resources" from men
- Your friends and family eventually disassociate with you because it's "strange" for a man to have goals that don't include sex
- "Christians" literally condemn you to Hell for celibacy, as Paul calls us all to be
- You are overlooked for better jobs and promotions in the workplace because married men with children are more "reliable"

I'd LOVE to be ugly just to get everyone off of my damn back!
 
Try being an attractive, Alpha male in America, born to Boomer parents, and want NOTHING that modern woman has to offer. Then add Christianity to the mix, with firm Christian based limits on age gaps, and you're in for a real Hell of a life!

- Parents obsess that you aren't having sex, which makes you want to have sex even less
- The world calls you "gay"
- Feminists call you a "bitter mysogynist"
- Liberals call you an "incel"
- Lolbertarians blame "porn and video games" and accuse you of being a "chronic masturbator"
- Cuckservatives call you a "beta" and to "man up" and to "provide"
- Women try to end your life for not sharing your "resources" and seed with the sisterhood
- So called red-pilled delusional betas shriek and call you a "jealous woman" when you tell them that desiring younger women is part of the feminist plan to secure "resources" from men
- Your friends and family eventually disassociate with you because it's "strange" for a man to have goals that don't include sex
- "Christians" literally condemn you to Hell for celibacy, as Paul calls us all to be
- You are overlooked for better jobs and promotions in the workplace because married men with children are more "reliable"

I'd LOVE to be ugly just to get everyone off of my damn back!
Lol this all sounds like parody.:laughter:
 
Try being an attractive, Alpha male in America, born to Boomer parents, and want NOTHING that modern woman has to offer. Then add Christianity to the mix, with firm Christian based limits on age gaps, and you're in for a real Hell of a life!

- Women try to end your life for not sharing your "resources" and seed with the sisterhood
- So called red-pilled delusional betas shriek and call you a "jealous woman" when you tell them that desiring younger women is part of the feminist plan to secure "resources" from men
- Your friends and family eventually disassociate with you because it's "strange" for a man to have goals that don't include sex
- "Christians" literally condemn you to Hell for celibacy, as Paul calls us all to be
- You are overlooked for better jobs and promotions in the workplace because married men with children are more "reliable"

I'd LOVE to be ugly just to get everyone off of my damn back!

The so called feminist plan to secure resources from Men because Men desiring more neotenous and more fertile women who would be younger is total hogwash that sounds like its made up.

And the assumption that Celibacy is a calling for all Christians.

Sorry its either delusion or a troll.
 
@Millennial Fury,

Your post is absolutely astute and well thought out. I agree with what you said, because my own experiences have reflected the same.

When girls really REALLY like guys, they will definitely go out of their way.

I have had experiences in other locations where I may look different, and at first the girls may be curious, but it's just a general curiosity rather than them actually being totally attracted or into the guy.

I've had instances where girls are actually attracted, and there is something that lights up in their eyes and energy that is absolutely unique and completely different than a general curiosity. And I've had girls who would even go out of their way to make themselves noticed to me in high-stress situations even while wearing headphones and operating the drive-thru who would go out of their way to make conversation with me, which is something that never ever happens.

Your claims on the millennial and other generation girls who are young is spot-on, because the thing is if you mention ANYTHING that is a matter of fact, or if you have some habit that might be completely unconscious, they interpret it as flirting.

I've been on the receiving end of these "Traditional Girls" from even Mormon families in Utah who go around on their Missions, and their interest seems to be just general curiosity at best, which could maybe be mistaken for something else buy some guys. Because even in those situations, they had even more abilities to make it known they want to take things further, and they don't.

When girls really really want a guy, they will go out of their way no matter what to get that guy. And I find that it's often Married women or girls with children who tend to be the most vocal or willing to go out of their way, because of their "trapped" situations.

Women generally only date or get with Men based on circumstantial situations or the point where they are in their life, rather than any true genuine attraction or interest in Men. And I strongly encourage that Men need to isolate all points and determine whether or not any girl who shows interest, is doing so based on her situation or if it's out of real, persistent attraction.

There are ways however that Men can interact with Women without leaving the situation where it seems like he has no confidence or low testosterone. But I'd hope we are in this case dealing with Men who actually do have high confidence and testosterone.

The key is to interact with the woman on a very "matter of fact" measure, control the flow of the conversation and do not go out of your way to give your name out and introduce yourself.

Unfortunately, when a guy makes the effort to introduce himself or exchange names (even if not a number), this quality is not appreciated or respected by Modern Women, but it makes the Man look like he is lowering himself.

I also advise Men not to crack or make jokes towards women, not only because it gives off a desperate vibe but trying to attract women based on humor is one of the worst things you can do, because it will attract only the worst type and most superficial type of girls.

Another aspect Men must always ascertain about women, is that you never want to be involved with women who have High or Low self-esteem. Both are dangerous.

Girls who are "innocent" and not "broken-in" have an energy and attitude of uncertainty about themselves and certain reflexes that indicate she has no fixed leaning on her self-esteem. after all, it is a Man's job to assert what a woman deserves or does not deserve.
 

sultan

Chicken
I remember walking though Madison in the late 80's. state street featured a few sex shops, and one of the most wonderful afghani restaurants imaginable. I was a young kid of mid twenties. remember getting a very warm reception by waitresses at that restaurant , I just assumed it was an oddity and did not pursue anything. met a butch girl I knew from before on accident and had coffee. I then left. wish I know what was really happening. when things are too good, well perhaps it could be true.
 
@Millennial Fury,

Your post is absolutely astute and well thought out. I agree with what you said, because my own experiences have reflected the same.

When girls really REALLY like guys, they will definitely go out of their way.

I have had experiences in other locations where I may look different, and at first the girls may be curious, but it's just a general curiosity rather than them actually being totally attracted or into the guy.

I've had instances where girls are actually attracted, and there is something that lights up in their eyes and energy that is absolutely unique and completely different than a general curiosity. And I've had girls who would even go out of their way to make themselves noticed to me in high-stress situations even while wearing headphones and operating the drive-thru who would go out of their way to make conversation with me, which is something that never ever happens.

Your claims on the millennial and other generation girls who are young is spot-on, because the thing is if you mention ANYTHING that is a matter of fact, or if you have some habit that might be completely unconscious, they interpret it as flirting.

I've been on the receiving end of these "Traditional Girls" from even Mormon families in Utah who go around on their Missions, and their interest seems to be just general curiosity at best, which could maybe be mistaken for something else buy some guys. Because even in those situations, they had even more abilities to make it known they want to take things further, and they don't.

When girls really really want a guy, they will go out of their way no matter what to get that guy. And I find that it's often Married women or girls with children who tend to be the most vocal or willing to go out of their way, because of their "trapped" situations.

Women generally only date or get with Men based on circumstantial situations or the point where they are in their life, rather than any true genuine attraction or interest in Men. And I strongly encourage that Men need to isolate all points and determine whether or not any girl who shows interest, is doing so based on her situation or if it's out of real, persistent attraction.

There are ways however that Men can interact with Women without leaving the situation where it seems like he has no confidence or low testosterone. But I'd hope we are in this case dealing with Men who actually do have high confidence and testosterone.

The key is to interact with the woman on a very "matter of fact" measure, control the flow of the conversation and do not go out of your way to give your name out and introduce yourself.

Unfortunately, when a guy makes the effort to introduce himself or exchange names (even if not a number), this quality is not appreciated or respected by Modern Women, but it makes the Man look like he is lowering himself.

I also advise Men not to crack or make jokes towards women, not only because it gives off a desperate vibe but trying to attract women based on humor is one of the worst things you can do, because it will attract only the worst type and most superficial type of girls.

Another aspect Men must always ascertain about women, is that you never want to be involved with women who have High or Low self-esteem. Both are dangerous.

Girls who are "innocent" and not "broken-in" have an energy and attitude of uncertainty about themselves and certain reflexes that indicate she has no fixed leaning on her self-esteem. after all, it is a Man's job to assert what a woman deserves or does not deserve.
You are mostly correct, but there are some areas where you're slightly off the mark. It's probably generational, and perhaps even racial. But white Millennial and Gen Z women, truly, do not do a damn thing at all to let their affections for a guy that they really like be known. Especially if they are attractive. Every girl that I've learned was into me from other people, you'd never have a clue she knew I even existed. These are the women that bitch and moan that men won't "approach" (men never did "approach"!) them. The women who I've actually been with are not societally beautiful (6's and 7's), but they made it easy for me and showed that they actually wanted me. Take Pierce Brosnan. Objectively the best James Bond, but married to two less appealing women. You see this all the time; studly men with frumpy women, and gorgeous bombshells with beta nerds. I never see an Alpha male with an attractive woman: we are either perpetually alone, or we are in the company of said frumpy women.

White Millennial and Gen Z women expect that a "real man" does all; they claim to want a masculine "real man", yet demand that we go out of our way to try to "pursue" after them like a horny dog. They don't want to accept that pursuit is strictly their responsibility. Consider the Bible. I can't think of a single Biblical example of a man EVER "pursuing" a woman, can you? I can list at least 10 stories of women pursuing men, or men being set up by friends/family with a woman in Bible. It's pretty damn clear that this indicates that a woman is placed on a man's path, and he is not to go out looking nor pursuing her. Yet today's "conservative Christians" dismiss what is obvious here with the lie "men are to be like Christ, who pursues us". A man can't both be masculine and chase after a woman.

IF a woman does drop "hints", she'll make it so unbelievably subtle that the man will choose the logical explanation every, single time:

A "wholesome" good girl that claims to be a "conservative Christian" seeks to spend the DAY in your hotel room to "watch movies". The TV is an old tube TV, so during the DAY, she closes the curtains.

This happened to me in my early 20s in a LDR to a girl I was convinced I would marry. EVERY girl I've told the story to calls me an idiot for not having sex. But most men use LOGIC: closing the curtains during the DAY reduces glare on a ridiculously old TV, and a "good girl" like that would have been sincere and not looking for pre-marital sex. This girl inexplicably broke things off with me 4 days late, and gave me the "No Spark" bullshit speech. A girl that had the same unmistakable twinkle in her eye before the hotel debacle.

Women don't exist anymore.
 
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