The David Icke thread

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
So you think faith and emotions are synonyms?

You don't think someone, some fallible human, can't rationalize himself into error thinking he's reasoning?

What was the motivating force that led apostles just to walk away from their lives when Jesus said "Follow me."?

Reason?

Why did Augustine start reading Bible when he heard a child outside who wasn't talking to him say, "Take up and read, take up and read."?

Reason?

It is pretty straightforward that emotions can lead us astray.

To conflate this with seemingly irrational acts of faith seems just as dangerous as being an overly emotional sensation seeker.

And then there is intuition too, which very often seems to go defiantly against reason. Is this also just an irrational idiosyncratic sense that needs to be reined in by reason?

Or does it have a deeper logic of its own? One that only reveals itself when you have faith in it and take the intuitive leap that makes no sense on the surface.

Is intuition not a faculty that can be developed by trusting it, and doesn't this development come in a way that is closer to faith and more agnostic to reason?

Or how about when you are feeling that God is very far away from you. Can you always reason your way closer?

Or is it something like a song or a poem that can unbind the heart and remind you of the connection in a near instantaneous visceral way?

Does a parent give a crying child an emotionless analysis of their situation or does he just pick the kid up and give a good squeeze?

So if God is our father, will he not, at times, reach us directly through our emotions and not bother with the analysis till later?

This is all food for a really good discussion in which rationality has a part, but if you want to say that it is superior to emotion, faith, intuition, in a person's spiritual walk, that case still needs to be made.

Luckily we have a forum for just this sort of thing.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
Zep said:
Roosh said:
When I took LSD thirty years ago, I experienced what all three videos are talking about, it was divine, my cheeks hurt the day after from smiling so much, I felt like a purely spiritual being, it was profound, I really can't put into words the depth of that experience. Jill Bolte Taylor does a good job.

It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

I'm against all drugs. You should watch closely the people who are promoting Marijuana, to see what their agenda is. Marijuana gives you an immediate high, but over the long run it makes your life more difficult and unable to deal with the harshness of life. In contrast, you can achieve the same state with meditation, but meditation takes work. But, in contrast to an external drug, meditation makes you better able to deal with the harshness of life, which is the point of meditating.

Contrast, the response of Sadhguru to Jordan Peterson when asked about Marijuana legilization.

Sadhguru comes out clearly against Marijuana and explains in detail why it makes your life worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xwdYc04B8

Contrast the response of Sadhguru, to that of Jordan Peterson who comes out with shallow reasons why he is in favor of legalization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfI-t7Xj7M

David Icke promoting the nonsense that psychodelic drugs opens up your third eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32oZC266QtU


The "Prophets" of the West make me want to vomit.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
debeguiled said:

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.
 
In defense of psychedelics.

It’s a double edged sword. Psychedelics allow one to delve deep into their subconcious mind, which generally allows for a glimpse into the greater collective consciousnesses. If undertaken with reverence, a few experiences is enough to help break through the worldly, materialistic conditioning that has ensared our ID.

However, like all profane things, psychedelics present a trap to the wayfarer. One develops a dependence on them to reach altered states of conciousness. Further still, as it is an external object, this dependence breaks down in the Between where we are faced with Source and only Source. It essentially becomes just another addiction, and we are once again grasped by our grasping.

On an esoteric level, one is far more likely to encounter Daemonic energies when partaking in psychedelic medicines. Proper care must be taken with set and setting, lest one become susceptible to the energetic frequencies radiating from fellow wayfarers or the environment itself. There is a Chinese saying, “Partake in cannabis for 100 days to reveal demons” - a phenomena I am, unfortunately, intimately acquainted with.

It is a bit short sighted to decry all psychedelic use. There is tremendously strong evidence that the Abrahamic tradition used similar medicinal concoctions for spirit journeying as the neighboring Egyptians, or the later Hellenistic world. Further still, Cannabis was integral to the Hebrew, as a medicinal balm, material for clothing and rope, as well as a component in the annointing oil.

As with all things, the devil is in the details, specifically dosing in this case.
 

godfather dust

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I used to love tripping. I was into all the Eastern religion bullshit and crypto-satanic babble by CIA assets the likes of Terrence McKenna. I didn't accept Jesus as my saviour until I stopped using these spiritual poisons.

David Icke is a devil worshiper.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Aurini said:
debeguiled said:

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.

Yes. You inspired a divine rant. :tard:

I think you are putting unnecessary limits on how the big G can reach people.

The inverse of your quotes are just as true. Distrust disconnected reason just as you would distrust disconnected emotions.

God meets people where they are at.

There are plenty of people who can out reason other people, who can make another person's position look foolish, and they can be as far from God as it is possible to be, all the while thinking they are doctrinally correct.

Our corner of the internet skews towards 'best argument wins' and that can end up being like the guy who interrupts other people enjoying music by quoting the lyrics at them and questioning their enjoyment of the music, and this person can think they have got the whole thing figured out when really, they can't hear the music, and they are just ruining someone else's good time. (Not directed at you.)

God is the words and the music.

Remove either and you miss out.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
debeguiled said:
Aurini said:
debeguiled said:

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.

Yes. You inspired a divine rant. :tard:

I think you are putting unnecessary limits on how the big G can reach people.

The inverse of your quotes are just as true. Distrust disconnected reason just as you would distrust disconnected emotions.

God meets people where they are at.

There are plenty of people who can out reason other people, who can make another person's position look foolish, and they can be as far from God as it is possible to be, all the while thinking they are doctrinally correct.

Our corner of the internet skews towards 'best argument wins' and that can end up being like the guy who interrupts other people enjoying music by quoting the lyrics at them and questioning their enjoyment of the music, and this person can think they have got the whole thing figured out when really, they can't hear the music, and they are just ruining someone else's good time. (Not directed at you.)

God is the words and the music.

Remove either and you miss out.

That's why you need both faith and reason. Without faith, you have unbound axioms leading to irreconcilable systems. Without reason you have impetus, but no discipline as to where it goes. The devil loves both atheists and mystic; both are easily manipulated into following his path. I was warning against over-reliance on emotions; over-reliance on reason is equally as bad.
 

Zep

Pelican
It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

okay, the last bit would piss me off too if I was religious. It comes off as arrogant, I can understand that, i.e. "yea, I know what you're speaking about, forget all the books, and study and just drop some LSD" ... nah man, didn't mean it that way. I should have written that I felt and thought that this was what people meant when they had a religious experience. Stating that religion is ( just ) a man-made construct is dismissive.

The reason I still think I experienced The Divine was because of what David Icke, Jill Taylor, Max Loughan, jiddu Krishnamurti and other eastern spiritual teachers, and 100's of other people described when they crossed over, if you'll accept that term. Those 100's include religious people too, the words they use to describe God, Infinite Love, Of and About Everything, Profound Joy, etc, I was in that space. I can't prove it though. It was super-natural, it definitely wasn't a buzz, or a great high, I felt so much love and joy, as I stated, the next day my cheeks really were sore from smiling for six hours.

If I was brought up with religion I think that I might then have said, "I have felt God", but I wasn't. If I was I can see how the explanation for such an experience would be readily available. I don't know why I feel this way and others don't?? personality I guess. One of the guys I took LSD with believes in God, another doesn't, another doesn't think about it at all.

This stuff about 'the devil' loving atheists etc. Come on man, let's not get carried away, I mean, be reasonable :laugh:. I help old people cross the street, I help a double amputee up the subway stairs when I see him, I sometimes give money ( or food) to homeless people, I'll hold hands with the religious at a dinner table and say "Amen" with them ( feels good!).

Anyways.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
Zep said:
It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

okay, the last bit would piss me off too if I was religious. It comes off as arrogant, I can understand that, i.e. "yea, I know what you're speaking about, forget all the books, and study and just drop some LSD" ... nah man, didn't mean it that way. I should have written that I felt and thought that this was what people meant when they had a religious experience. Stating that religion is ( just ) a man-made construct is dismissive.

The reason I still think I experienced The Divine was because of what David Icke, Jill Taylor, Max Loughan, jiddu Krishnamurti and other eastern spiritual teachers, and 100's of other people described when they crossed over, if you'll accept that term. Those 100's include religious people too, the words they use to describe God, Infinite Love, Of and About Everything, Profound Joy, etc, I was in that space. I can't prove it though. It was super-natural, it definitely wasn't a buzz, or a great high, I felt so much love and joy, as I stated, the next day my cheeks really were sore from smiling for six hours.

If I was brought up with religion I think that I might then have said, "I have felt God", but I wasn't. If I was I can see how the explanation for such an experience would be readily available. I don't know why I feel this way and others don't?? personality I guess. One of the guys I took LSD with believes in God, another doesn't, another doesn't think about it at all.

This stuff about 'the devil' loving atheists etc. Come on man, let's not get carried away, I mean, be reasonable :laugh:. I help old people cross the street, I help a double amputee up the subway stairs when I see him, I sometimes give money ( or food) to homeless people, I'll hold hands with the religious at a dinner table and say "Amen" with them ( feels good!).

Anyways.

And yet, as an atheist your axioms are arbitrary. Even math is but an opinion. Why not change them if it will help you achieve better results?

Note: I don't think you're a proper atheist.

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Zep

Pelican
Leonard D Neubache said:
It's a work in progress but I'm trying to make my chemicals the best chemicals they can be.

I pity the fool with broke-ass chemicals.

Yes Lenny, yes.

I had broke-ass chemicals for 25 yrs, a fcuking little ssri changed it all.
Make yuor cehmicals teh bset they can be! Yeeeessss.

@Aurini - my axioms have recently been calibrated, polished, and greased with silicone spray. They are just fine thank-you very much.

Question: "What is the definition of faith?"

Answer: Thankfully, the Bible contains a clear definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” Simply put, the biblical definition of faith is “trusting in something you cannot explicitly prove.”

This definition of faith contains two aspects: intellectual assent and trust. Intellectual assent is believing something to be true. Trust is actually relying on the fact that the something is true. A chair is often used to help illustrate this. Intellectual assent is recognizing that a chair is a chair and agreeing that it is designed to support a person who sits on it. Trust is actually sitting in the chair.

I'll give you the number of my technician if you want?

Donald Duck made a yuge error - "everything we know and love is reducible to the absurd acts of chemicals, and there is therefore no intrinsic value in this material universe" - Wrong - consciousness is chemical sure, but we are in relationship with the material world ( we are spirits, in the material world ), so meditation, connecting with people, etc, influences the brain chemistry, therefore, the material world has massive value. So, we're back at square one - eat three meals a day, find someone to love, and something to hope for, and life will be fine.

Didn't Monty Python make a movie about all of this?
 
worldwidetraveler said:
It's interesting because a lot of people think we are in a simulation. This theory would be very similar to that simulation theory.

Supported by the universe.
Q: Why isn't there enough mass in the Universe for the rotation of the galaxies to actually work.
A1: Dark Matter.
A2: Modified Newtonian Dynamics
A3: Simulation

I knew David when he was a Sports Presenter at the BBC (must have been 35 years ago), completely normal bloke then, wonder what made him lose his mind?
 

Psalm27

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Things you probably didn't know about David Icke

David Icke is a conspiracy theorist (yes yes some conspiracies ARE real) who recently got really popular due to his interview on London Real going viral on YouTube, where he talked about links between 5G and coronavirus.

But from a Christian perspective David Icke is dangerous as he does speak some truth but mixes in lies with it (he may just be deceived, I am not saying he is doing it all intentionally), and there are some things you should know.

Basically David Icke:

  • Denies Jesus Christ, insinuates that he is the son of baal (the devil) and mocks Christians
  • In the 90s David Icke called himself the son of god, and was referred to as the son of god by a new age psychic called Betty Shine
  • Based on 1 John 4:1-3 Icke has been channeling demons since at least the 90s

I made a video about this with proof (see below). Please Christians (and others) beware of this guy! He may be against the pedos/powers that be but he is against Christ as well, and leading many to hell.


I have a vague memory of the Bible saying that during the end times there will be people against the antichrist who are not Christians, but cannot recall the verses. The devils main plan is to drag as many humans with him down to hell, so even though someone tells some truths about the pedos/powers that be, if they deny Christ, stay away from them.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
RE: Things you probably didn't know about David Icke

He is the British version of Alex Jones. Says enough truth and believable stuff than adds in bullshit that makes everything he said complete BS so normies and the media can lampoon anyone who believes some of the things which have been proven to be true.

Both earn $$$ from their trade and have cult followings. They are plants pure and simple.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
RE: Things you probably didn't know about David Icke

Huh; a new poster who isn't an obvious shill posting valid information. I'd better make sure that Space Dog isn't flirting with a Tom Cat right now.

Checking out your video. :D
 

NickK

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I'm absolutely convinced that David Icke is unwilling controlled opposition.

Meaning, he is fed information directly by demons disguised as benevolent beings. He has many times talked about his contact with "beings".

His "spiritual" theories are rehashed occult beliefs branded in a new agey way. Having said that, a lot of what he is saying is actually true. I'd advise to avoid him, unless you are close to Jesus Christ and have discernement.
 
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