He's a massive faker. The only uncertainty is whether he's just a wee con artist, or someone much more sinister.
The David Icke thread
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I've read/will be reading some Icke books and to be honest his work is monumental. These tomes are thick, loaded with info, loaded with insights and datapoints. Sure there will be some things in there that one doesn't agree with. But if one uses a filter like one always has to do Icke is a tremendous source of info especially as a big picture and helicopter view of what the system looks like, what the background is, how it's build up and how it works. Discernment, as with anything, is key. On his personal integrity he comes off as a genuine guy who's put his life's work into providing the world the mentioned insights, which is commendable and without it I doubt whether we'd be able to connect the dots so well. So some respect would be just, don't agree with all someone says but also no reason to burn someone down who has whatever way you turn been a tremendous influence in setting up the truth sphere we all benefit from now.
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That's what I lean towards. He smells genuine, and because he is fundamentally anti-Christ in his message, the powers that be let him do his thing: approved opposition, not controlled.
But then again....
This is why reading the Saints is always best (he says after reading more internet articles in a day than saints in a week).
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The reason his books are so loaded is he more or less carbon copies stuff from numerous other books without doing any basic research. His corpus is largely other unsourced sources, acquaintances and unknown spirits.
In particular he has written on how all religions are just slightly rewritten prison religions created by The Babylonian Brotherhood. I can't remember the source book for this, but he lifted it entirely and condensed it, without bothering to check if any of it's bogus claims are real. It contains claims, such as there are numerous deities said to be born in 25 December to a virgin mother. This claims has been fabricated out of nothing. The same was reproduced be equally awful researcher Peter Joseph for his first Zeitgeist film.
He doesn't like to talk about it much, but he says that he is guided by non-human entities. If he is they are having a laugh with some of the things they have energetically led him to publish.
I don't think Icke is a shill, or a accepted disinformer. I know people who have all sorts of ideas that have little basis in reality. No one thinks they are shills, but if they could get 10K views on a video the shill claims would soon start.
Icke was was first track down the road of what is really going on, and it's not a bad one as he batters down pretty much every aspect of the fake society we live in. It's just that battering is so full of easily veritfiable false information that you then need de-programming from your de-programming.
The problem is that all this info came from demons. David Icke was a regular bloke working as a football commentator and then all of a sudden publicly announced he is the son of God and started expanding his reptilian theory. There is truth in what he says, but there is also deception.
if you have that kind of time to kill, those mile mathis links I posted beg to differ
http://mileswmathis.com/icke.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/rock.pdf
All the world's a stage
Where is he getting his information from?
Right, this last statement is exactly my position, as is with anyone I ''use'' as information source. No imperfect/mortal human being has the entire truth, but regardless that Jones may be compromised by the aliens, Icke has his more gnostic spiritual attitude and someone like Adam Green sees Christ as a ''made up Jewish trick to control the world'', I still take/have taken tremendous value from puzzle pieces what they say in my personal quest for truth. About the son of God and the reppo thing, these things are often brought up to discredit him but there is some nuance there. About the first during that notorious Wogan interview he's said that he was basically in a complete shift of mindset at the moment as he was figuring all kind of stuff out, which made him like a mentally unstable person so I don't think he takes credit now for what he said then. I can underline that feeling of brain transplantation on a daily basis when your position shifts drastically due to new info. The reppo thing I literally have never heard him talk about it, but it appears to be in his books, the only thing I've heard him say in this regard is that when he's confronted about it he says there is that there is a spiritual force running this world, Christians call it demons, Muslims Djinn, some nature religion in Ethiopia apparantly calls it reptile like spiritual creatures. Personally I'll always look broader than the ''he said this and that one time on twitter 10 years ago therefore we must discredit everything about him'' attitude that people sometimes may take. We're living in an imperfect world after all.
Now I get it, it were the aliens all along
Research, books, whitepapers, interviews, research, speaking with people, I don't know you tell me? Much has come true, especially what we see emerging now with cojona, so the structure of his analysis seems to be quite spot on.
I don't know where he is getting his info from thats why I asked you, the 1 DVD I watched over a decade ago he mentioned some beings that he speaks too after he takes something then they also teach him in Davids words. So the people who follow him a lot what are they doing are they repenting & turning to Christ and having their lives changed?Right, this last statement is exactly my position, as is with anyone I ''use'' as information source. No imperfect/mortal human being has the entire truth, but regardless that Jones may be compromised by the aliens, Icke has his more gnostic spiritual attitude and someone like Adam Green sees Christ as a ''made up Jewish trick to control the world'', I still take/have taken tremendous value from puzzle pieces what they say in my personal quest for truth. About the son of God and the reppo thing, these things are often brought up to discredit him but there is some nuance there. About the first during that notorious Wogan interview he's said that he was basically in a complete shift of mindset at the moment as he was figuring all kind of stuff out, which made him like a mentally unstable person so I don't think he takes credit now for what he said then. I can underline that feeling of brain transplantation on a daily basis when your position shifts drastically due to new info. The reppo thing I literally have never heard him talk about it, but it appears to be in his books, the only thing I've heard him say in this regard is that when he's confronted about it he says there is that there is a spiritual force running this world, Christians call it demons, Muslims Djinn, some nature religion in Ethiopia apparantly calls it reptile like spiritual creatures. Personally I'll always look broader than the ''he said this and that one time on twitter 10 years ago therefore we must discredit everything about him'' attitude that people sometimes may take. We're living in an imperfect world after all.
Now I get it, it were the aliens all along
Research, books, whitepapers, interviews, research, speaking with people, I don't know you tell me? Much has come true, especially what we see emerging now with cojona, so the structure of his analysis seems to be quite spot on.
No, he is anti-Christ. His role is to tell enough truth to accepted by the "truth community" while making them seem ridiculous to others, and lead people away from the Way, the Life and the Truth.
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InRight, this last statement is exactly my position, as is with anyone I ''use'' as information source. No imperfect/mortal human being has the entire truth, but regardless that Jones may be compromised by the aliens, Icke has his more gnostic spiritual attitude and someone like Adam Green sees Christ as a ''made up Jewish trick to control the world'', I still take/have taken tremendous value from puzzle pieces what they say in my personal quest for truth. About the son of God and the reppo thing, these things are often brought up to discredit him but there is some nuance there. About the first during that notorious Wogan interview he's said that he was basically in a complete shift of mindset at the moment as he was figuring all kind of stuff out, which made him like a mentally unstable person so I don't think he takes credit now for what he said then. I can underline that feeling of brain transplantation on a daily basis when your position shifts drastically due to new info. The reppo thing I literally have never heard him talk about it, but it appears to be in his books, the only thing I've heard him say in this regard is that when he's confronted about it he says there is that there is a spiritual force running this world, Christians call it demons, Muslims Djinn, some nature religion in Ethiopia apparantly calls it reptile like spiritual creatures. Personally I'll always look broader than the ''he said this and that one time on twitter 10 years ago therefore we must discredit everything about him'' attitude that people sometimes may take. We're living in an imperfect world after all.
Now I get it, it were the aliens all along
Research, books, whitepapers, interviews, research, speaking with people, I don't know you tell me? Much has come true, especially what we see emerging now with cojona, so the structure of his analysis seems to be quite spot on.
in others words to deceive, so he sheds some info about what satan is doing in the world & its amazing an impressive to see then he leads people astray from God sounds like?
Yes, he is both an Anti in the disinformation sense, meaning that he joins a movement (in this case the "truth movement"), gains prominence, and makes it look ridiculous in the eyes of people outside the movement, and then he is also anti-Christ in the sense of being against the gospel and Christianity.
That is a fair point that few here will contend. On the other hand for normies coming into this - such as myself some time ago - I can imagine that the fact he talks about being trapped in our 5 sense reality on purpose by the elite and him opening up a spiritual perspective can be a step in the right direction. I believe for myself exactly this what was made me contemplate the non 5 sense, possibility of a spiritual reality for the first time in my life. Obviously from there you just keep moving towards truth and we know where that brings us. But if your/others position would be that we shouldn't take in any info from people who are no Saints, who remains? Reality is that we don't have Saints/perfect people to take in info from with 100% certainty and without discernment. Unless we have examples of Saints elaborating every detail about what's going on now we must dig through the muck looking for logos spermatikos - seeds of truth - in different sources, otherwise one limits himself severely in the scope of understanding one can have. Lastly understanding is not only understanding what is true, but also what is false, and sometimes on your journey you will see later that what you thought could be true actually is false. All part of the process in my opinion.
Aside from all the analysis of his motives etc, i never found myself able to listen to him for any length of time. It just depressed me in a dour, wearing kind of way. Ultimately i find him demoralising, whether that's by design or not is up for debate. It always felt like i was being ranted at, and the next revelation he would drop would be darker than the last.
I honestly dont know how people can last 3 hour podcasts with him or such, never mind attending his seminars. Just feels like bad nutrition and leaves me feeling uneasy.
I honestly dont know how people can last 3 hour podcasts with him or such, never mind attending his seminars. Just feels like bad nutrition and leaves me feeling uneasy.
I like Icke, i learned a lot from him and i am quite certain he is not controlled opposition, demon worshipper, freemason or any of that.
I do think he has a very wild imagination and had a few psychotic episodes in the past. But he speaks a lot more truth than crazyness, especially regarding covid and the elites.
Remember back in march 2020 he was the first one i ever heard say that covid is a hoax, while everybody else was still panicking and spraying alcohol on their clothes and hands.
There are many people i like who are a bit on the crazy side but who make great music or are interresting people with interresting knowledge. That doesn't mean i always agree with them of believe everything they say, but i do like listening to these type of people.
I do think he has a very wild imagination and had a few psychotic episodes in the past. But he speaks a lot more truth than crazyness, especially regarding covid and the elites.
Remember back in march 2020 he was the first one i ever heard say that covid is a hoax, while everybody else was still panicking and spraying alcohol on their clothes and hands.
There are many people i like who are a bit on the crazy side but who make great music or are interresting people with interresting knowledge. That doesn't mean i always agree with them of believe everything they say, but i do like listening to these type of people.
This is a fair point I'd like to give some broader perspective too as well in the truth sphere, also goes for Alex Jones among others. My perspective is that these sources are great to come into this and feel the alarm that's needed to make you see that we're in an evil situation through and through, however if you maintain these sources as your only source of information it will get you down. So you have to move through after some time and look for more light sources, more casual so to speak, in which the truth is addressed vehemently and not watered down at all, but that doesn't give you a negative vibe afterwards.