The decline of functioning society - What's going on?

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Robin
Catholic
In the last 10 years I have seen the company where I work slowly erode. And I see that all around me.

I see people "go up" with limited skills to become "managers". I see the people that have skills leave depressed / overburdened. I see the young people come in with very high expectations and demands but very limited skills. Everyone talks about ambition, which means go to jobs that make more money.

It's all so empty.

I see things break down. Trains. Cars. Supply chains. People not able to repair a thing. Material production in the west is going down.

And I hear this of many people around me. What's going on? Am I getting old? Is this really happening or is it my perception? Or are we in a decline of soul, work and society?

Curious to hear your takes.
 
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Stoyan

 
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Hermetic Seal

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The quality of humanity in the west has been in sharp decline for decades, if not much longer. People are weaker, dumber, less capable, more spiritually fractured. Part of it is due to general spiritual thermodynamics, but much of it is by design - and a result of social engineering, maleducation, the sexual revolution, overabundance of comforts, endless distractions and entertainments, outsourcing of practical jobs and knowhow, environmental factors like toxic food, chemicals, etc. in the air, water supply, “vaccines”, etc. The cumulative effect of all this has led to a gradual but devastating decline.
 

TheosisSeeker

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
What you are seeing is: inversion, the culling of independent thought, and assimilation into the institutions.

I can write an entire treatise on these subjects, but for this post I'll keep it simple.

Inversion or the world is upside down. This is a direct consequence of allowing Satanic and evil values free reign in our society. There is no absolute truth or logos, everything is relative.

As a society becomes more advanced, they gain more and more pride so that they believe that they can manipulate and control everything. That is until God and objective reality puts them back in their place. It always happens, but in between there is chaos.

The culling of independent thought and assimilation. Masks, vaccines, outrageous lies...compliance. The mandates and tests were just that. See who doesn't comply and thinks for themselves, they must be culled.

Which leads to assimilation. How can the powers that be count on you when they truly release their evil horrors?

There is only one way, to grease the ramp and have you comply slowly all along, and as Father Spyridon said, that final step to accept the Antichrist will be the smallest step of all.

Were you busy supporting Pride and the corporate agenda? Good.

Despise the Roe v. Wade decision? Good.

Have it displayed all over your social media? Very good.

We can promote this person to a high level.

The demons can count on them.

This has nothing to do with skill. The ones who can be counted on to do their masters bidding will thrive.

If you are skilled and productive they will keep you around, but not move you up because you may be a threat. If you are aligned with God you are the biggest threat.
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
In the last 10 years I have seen the company where I work slowly erode. And I see that all around me.

I see people "go up" with limited skills to become "managers". I see the people that have skills leave depressed / overburdened. I see the young people come in with very high expectations and demands but very limited skills. Everyone talks about ambition, which means go to jobs that make more money.

It's all so empty.

I see things break down. Trains. Cars. Supply chains. People not able to repair a thing. Material production in the west is going down.

And I hear this of many people around me. What's going on? Am I getting old? Is this really happening or is it my perception? Or are we in a decline of soul, work and society?

Curious to hear your takes.
I own a business in the skilled trades and could write a book about how the mechanical systems in this country are bound to start failing.

Young men now have next to zero mechanical skills, and no desire to learn. My MEP guys and carpenters are all 50+. My best people have already retired. Luckily for the average citizen, utility companies can poach the best guys so those will stay together the longest, but commercial/residential/industrial construction and other commercial activity that requires people with a mechanical background will get worse and slower.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
It is easy to blame one faith, but what about Christians?

One example is wanting to import huge amounts of poor refugees (mostly young men and mostly from cultures that are anti-Christian). Catholic and Lutheran groups are huge promoters of this in Europe and the USA. I get the idea of caring for the poor, but the money would do more good if it was spent wisely in the poor countries to benefit people there such as in programs to provide clean drinking water, improve farming, etc... (which some charities are doing). These Christian groups don't care that they are promoting dumping a lot of angry young men (mostly Muslim) into cities and towns that can't handle this. They don't care that it hurts lower class workers in these towns the most because it drives down wages.




We also know many Christian groups are pro-homosexual. Almost every Congregational church I saw when I visited relatives in New England had a rainbow flag. Plenty of other denominations have this as well. We can't blame Jewish people for this when Protestants are guilty of promoting this as well.

We also see many politicians that are Christian that sign laws that clearly go against basic values. Reagan encouraged divorce. Bush was Christian but was fine with attacking innocent people to make money for his friends (and likely himself). Reagan and Bush are Protestant. Biden, Pelosi, and many other Catholic politicians (to include those in Latin America and Europe) are very much pro-abortion.

Some Orthodox Jews are actually more traditional than many Catholics and Protestants when one uses Pelosi and Biden as examples of modern Catholics (I know not all Catholics are this way, but there must be many that are).

Note: I am not trying to attack Christians. I just think we can't fully blame Jews for this considering they are a small percent of the population.
 

Jive Turkey

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
It's really happening. I'm in my 20s and have noticed a stark difference since before and after the pandemic. Almost everything is a nightmare. I returned an item today and was shocked that the process actually went smoothly. The person operating the register actually knew how to do something and didn't have to call a supervisor.

Also in my industry, I notice the old guys have a better way of doing things. Things I was never taught. No one ever showed me. I am "good" at what I do, but all the guys I came up with just lack the professionalism and mindset that many of these older guys, who by many appearances are idiots (not to be mean, but they just never advanced) have these methods that are now lost.

So yes. Goodness and competence is vanishing from the earth. But this is nothing new. Like all evils it is merely accelerating.

One of my favorite songs is a celebration of this old world competence.

 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I own a business in the skilled trades and could write a book about how the mechanical systems in this country are bound to start failing.

Young men now have next to zero mechanical skills, and no desire to learn. My MEP guys and carpenters are all 50+. My best people have already retired. Luckily for the average citizen, utility companies can poach the best guys so those will stay together the longest, but commercial/residential/industrial construction and other commercial activity that requires people with a mechanical background will get worse and slower.
Perhaps more companies could offer apprentice programs. A lot of companies want people with skills and don't want to train them and they want people to pay for their own training at vocational colleges. How many people were expected to go to vocational college instead of getting paid training in the 1950's or 1920's?
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Who is John Galt? But seriously, the Internet was a mistake. We have paid a real cost in terms of individuality. That is, I think, a significant contributor to what you're seeing.
Internet truly has been a Trojan horse.

With regard to society, empty is indeed the right word. I see friends living nihilistic lives to the max, making a lot of money (sometimes through cheating, e.g. taking 2/3 jobs to combine as it's working from home so the companies don't know it of each other), spending 20k on holidays, 40k car after using the other 1 year. It's an inevitable trainwreck inc, it's not a sustainable lifestyle. There's only so much good champagne you can drink before you grow tired of it and the hangover sets in.
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
Perhaps more companies could offer apprentice programs. A lot of companies want people with skills and don't want to train them and they want people to pay for their own training at vocational colleges. How many people were expected to go to vocational college instead of getting paid training in the 1950's or 1920's?
They do, and hold onto young people who have skills/learning ability very tightly. Every single construction company in the country would hire a young person who can pass a drug test and do math through Algebra 1. Some young people "want to learn" but are so remedial that they can't do fractions. Does the company also teach them middle school math? My state has also legalized weed so that has further reduced the pool of employable young people.
 

The Prime Minister

 
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As a guy in my 20s I also see society falling apart. I'm completely apathetic and have no motivation to be "a productive member of society". This modern "civilization" is a dying civilization. Men like me have been cast out and rejected. It's not young men's fault. All those from the older generations who are "competent" should have taught the young men and passed down their wisdom. Instead they threw them under the bus (willingly or unwillingly), patted themselves on the back, told young men to stop complaining and pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And now they scratch their heads thinking why things are falling apart and young men have no hope and are dropping out of society. The older generations sat back and and let this country deteriorate with no concern for young men's future. Young men have no real stake in society anymore. Let the boomers, women, and LGBT enjoy this society. This civilization favors them at the expense of young men. Why fix a broken ship when you've been thrown overboard into the ocean?
 

Jive Turkey

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
As a guy in my 20s I also see society falling apart. I'm completely apathetic and have no motivation to be "a productive member of society". This modern "civilization" is a dying civilization. Men like me have been cast out and rejected. It's not young men's fault. All those from the older generations who are "competent" should have taught the young men and passed down their wisdom. Instead they threw them under the bus (willingly or unwillingly), patted themselves on the back, told young men to stop complaining and pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And now they scratch their heads thinking why things are falling apart and young men have no hope and are dropping out of society. The older generations sat back and and let this country deteriorate with no concern for young men's future. Young men have no real stake in society anymore. Let the boomers, women, and LGBT enjoy this society. This civilization favors them at the expense of young men. Why fix a broken ship when you've been thrown overboard into the ocean?
Work is for you brother. You are commanded by God to toil. You still need to develop your competence as a man, whether you agree with the direction of society or not.

Also an Austrian painter turned Weinar Germany into something unrecognizable in a few short years. If something similar happens in America, do you want to be a 35 year old with no skills and no self respect, when things go back to a healthy state? I think not.

And also maybe your father and even grandfather didn't do a good job as men. Does that let you off the hook to your children? No. Does that negate the sacrifices of your great grandfather? Your great great grandfather? No.

Your ancestors are looking down at you, hopefully man from paradise. Make them proud. Become the man God wants you to be. You can do it. Pray and seek guidance. Doors will open. You will be much more satisfied and at peace when you develop your competence. Find a job where you have autonomy. A man doesn't need some HR mammy breathing down his back. God be with you.


 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
Also in my industry, I notice the old guys have a better way of doing things. Things I was never taught. No one ever showed me. I am "good" at what I do, but all the guys I came up with just lack the professionalism
Perhaps more companies could offer apprentice programs. A lot of companies want people with skills and don't want to train them and they want people to pay for their own training at vocational colleges.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to work part time for some general contractors. I'm paid very little, but the upside is they take the time to teach me how to do the job correctly. It helps to have a good attitude going into it, but it also helps that I knew these people well before asking for a job. I enjoy the work and it feels productive, unlike managing spreadsheets.

Honestly, if you're a competent man in okay physical shape, general contracting, particularly residential basement, kitchen & baths, is a great thing to look into doing. Not much of it is very complicated, it is just a series of simple tasks repeated over and over. There are tricks to do things more efficiently and more correctly, but the tasks that make up the bulk of the work, like framing (with wood or metal), insulating, running wires, wiring outlets, hanging drywall, painting, installing lighting fixtures, are not that difficult. Certain types of flooring can be trickier but still doesn't require an IQ of 100 to do. Joint compound, caulk, and putty can hide most of your mistakes. The hardest thing for me so far is finishing drywall joints with joint compound because that does require finesse and skill to do it with minimal work needed later.

All of these things are fundamentally simple, but there are fewer and fewer men capable of DIY, meaning this work is increasing in demand (though prone to a downturn during depressions). Overall I highly recommend this line of work. It is simple, meaningful work, and with the excess IQ I assume most people here have, you can expand your business and manage others, and even if it doesn't work out, it gives you skills to potentially build yourself a home since new home costs are ridiculously high now due to labor cost. Even if you just did the framing, drywall, and painting, and didn't touch a pipe or a wire, you're still saving yourself tens of thousands of dollars.

They do, and hold onto young people who have skills/learning ability very tightly. Every single construction company in the country would hire a young person who can pass a drug test and do math through Algebra 1. Some young people "want to learn" but are so remedial that they can't do fractions. Does the company also teach them middle school math? My state has also legalized weed so that has further reduced the pool of employable young people.
This is true, I work with an 18 year old guy whose been working for the general contractors I work with for a year. He isn't a genius by any means but he is a hard worker and he is excelling; they're really happy to have him and he's even taught me quite a bit.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
As a guy in my 20s I also see society falling apart. I'm completely apathetic and have no motivation to be "a productive member of society". This modern "civilization" is a dying civilization. Men like me have been cast out and rejected. It's not young men's fault. All those from the older generations who are "competent" should have taught the young men and passed down their wisdom. Instead they threw them under the bus (willingly or unwillingly), patted themselves on the back, told young men to stop complaining and pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And now they scratch their heads thinking why things are falling apart and young men have no hope and are dropping out of society. The older generations sat back and and let this country deteriorate with no concern for young men's future. Young men have no real stake in society anymore. Let the boomers, women, and LGBT enjoy this society. This civilization favors them at the expense of young men. Why fix a broken ship when you've been thrown overboard into the ocean?
It's tough. And it's a double edged sword. I get the ''it's their fault'' mindset, in fact we never asked by be born in a society where all knowledge of millenia was thrown over board, we were put in the jungle to figure it out by ourselves, often without any serious parental (fatherly) guiding. And it sucks, it really does, I feel the pain and went through/am going through the same process of unplugging.

That being said, sitting around and wailing in misery isn't the answer either. It's appealing, but we've got to find a way to live a meaningful life and that starts by putting all the pieces together of the plate which was tradition, ancient knowledge, truth and reality that they threw on the ground and broke in 1000 pieces. It can feel lonely sometimes though, but I believe that being in this war was what we're meant to endure and albeit we don't see the end goal always, we just have to push through the lies and the problems of every day life.

Do you have a father figure/mentor in your life/big brother? It'll benefit you to watch some of entrepeneurs in cars, Rich Cooper, albeit a secular perspective it's about lessons that fathers should've told their sons, but didn't nowadays.

Check out his unplugged alpha playlist, or this video to start:

 

Cynllo

Kingfisher
Other Christian
One key way to look at the world is if a given area (or in this case a sum of all areas - society) is being given more input than it is outputting.

When you factor in real inflation and borrowing, it's probably been a while since there was more wealth produced than destroyed. And that's just wealth. Lots of other things that are harder to measure are also in decline.

If you do create a social democratic society that happened to be broadly economically sustainable, the left will rage in to say how unfair it is that people are not equal. This has happened in Chile, where they set up a sustainable pension system. It's one of the most generous in the world, considering the size of the economy. And as mentioned, sustainable. But the left said it was unfair and are in the process of making it unsustainable to buy votes.

Almost any facet of Western society is in this state out outputting less than is put in. If you talk about this to a leftist, they don't want to know. They just want to know the nice comfort of feeling safe.

This is an underlying issue of the decline - people wanting to feel safe.

The US military is being turned into a joke - to make it safe.

Schools and universities have been degraded - to make them safe.

Corporations are bloated with people who should not be there - to make them safe.

And it's to make them safe for certain people, which is also to say - make them unsafe for certain people.

Western society created incapable people from their lack of challenge, celebrates blocks of incapable people and is scared, suspicious and condemning of those who can excel.

Warning - a little profanity.

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The Prime Minister

 
Banned
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And also maybe your father and even grandfather didn't do a good job as men. Does that let you off the hook to your children?
I have no wife and no children. Women have never been interested in me my whole life. The only way I can get a wife and children will be if God wills it for me. Overall I generally agree with your comment, but I also accept the possibility that things will not get better for me. I see that as way to not get too attached, concerned, or involved in this worldly life and instead focus on the afterlife.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
One key way to look at the world is if a given area (or in this case a sum of all areas - society) is being given more input than it is outputting.

When you factor in real inflation and borrowing, it's probably been a while since there was more wealth produced than destroyed. And that's just wealth. Lots of other things that are harder to measure are also in decline.

If you do create a social democratic society that happened to be broadly economically sustainable, the left will rage in to say how unfair it is that people are not equal. This has happened in Chile, where they set up a sustainable pension system. It's one of the most generous in the world, considering the size of the economy. And as mentioned, sustainable. But the left said it was unfair and are in the process of making it unsustainable to buy votes.

Almost any facet of Western society is in this state out outputting less than is put in. If you talk about this to a leftist, they don't want to know. They just want to know the nice comfort of feeling safe.

This is an underlying issue of the decline - people wanting to feel safe.

The US military is being turned into a joke - to make it safe.

Schools and universities have been degraded - to make them safe.

Corporations are bloated with people who should not be there - to make them safe.

And it's to make them safe for certain people, which is also to say - make them unsafe for certain people.

Western society created incapable people from their lack of challenge, celebrates blocks of incapable people and is scared, suspicious and condemning of those who can excel.
"Safety is Punishment"

When I was in the army, I taped a paper with sayings that I liked and this is one. The army always talked about safety and it tended to make things worse as it made tasks harder to do. It has gotten more extreme as people have become weaker. Part of me thinks this is because they have a greater fear of death because they have less trust in God and no hope or belief in an afterlife. The words 'it is for your safety' have become a bit chilling.
 
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