The decline of functioning society - What's going on?

The_ives

Pigeon
Other Christian
I've been thinking about the rapid decline in civilization over the last decade but especially since the Coronavirus panic and one of the things that jumps out at me is the rise of drug abuse. Over the last decade marijuana basically became completely normalized and the amount of recreational users skyrocketed. Then the Coronavirus panic and shutdowns happened. In the big blue states, people were basically locked in their homes and apartments with nothing to do for at least 6 months. How many of these recreational drug users upgraded to becoming problem drug users and now struggle to hold down a job or even function? It's got to be millions.

I just notice it the couple of times that I've been in California since 2020. There's pot scent every where and even the workers are basically looking drugged out and barely able to do basic tasks. The massive increase in drug abuse has to be a major contributing factor to the acceleration in our decline.
 

Nordwand

Pelican
Other Christian
The way western women today are betraying their own fathers, brothers, husbands, and sons will be marked as one of the most horrific and evil acts in the future history books. Other than jews they're the most ardent supporters of every unholy movement currently going on- BLM, feminism, cancel culture, covid vaccines, migration in Europe, muh reparations, transgenders, baby-killing.”

My own wife… my God, I don’t know what to do. Several years ago I listened in horror as she argued with colleagues for over an hour in an on-line meeting in favor of the Black Lives Matter madness. And then the whole Covid mess, with vaccinations and masks and social distancing… we couldn’t have a simple discussion about any of this without her turning into a screaming lunatic. Then Roe v. Wade… and my wife is ranting and posting in favor of murdering babies. The latest is all about how everyone must support the transgender agenda. It never ends… I am married to a madwoman.

There’s no discussing any of this with her… She’s right, I’m wrong, period. I never raise my voice, I never speak in a hateful or hurtful manner… but an honest quiet question or comment from me, and she’s off to the races!

Our youngest leaves for college in two years… it is destroying me to even consider it, but I might leave, too.

No man should have to live like this. And sadly, I suspect that there are many many thousands of men in the same boat as me.
The home that I return to each day is a peaceful sanctuary. Inside there is a feeling of calm, and it's as though I'm in a different dimension altogether. Work is another matter entirely, and I have to endure the same as you on pretty well a daily basis. I give thanks that I have somewhere to escape to when the clock strikes 5 which, as you say, is not the case for many.
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
I'm thinking more and more we are seeing an engineered collapse. I can go a far way with stupidity and naivity, but so many things are done now that added up need to lead to collapse.

All actions taken are aimed to decrease production and to increase demand.
  • The war mongering of Europe with Russia while being dependent on Russian gas
  • The closing down on Nuclear plants in France and Belgium in the middle of energy shortages
  • The closing down of gas fields in the Netherlands
  • With doubled food commodity prices Europe is attacking farmers to close down.
  • A global shortage of Lithium mining and meanwhile pushing heavily to make battery powered cars
  • The "support" of the jobless which makes it more lucrative to stop working to get all the benefits
  • The trade barriers on Chinese computerchips (50% of global supply) before Corona that led to to a production stop in many Western dependent industries.
  • The giving of handouts, leading to less eagerness to work and more spending.
  • The imagined killer-flu
  • The war mongering and colour revolutionizing in China & Iran
  • The growth of public services, while industrial production and building is severely down
  • The bloated management layers
  • The millions of migrants coming to Europe every year that by law are to be housed
  • The strict green rules, making it impossible for some industries to operate. (the carbon emission right went 10x in price in the last 3 years)
  • The pushing of drugs, Marihuana use
  • The total control of media (literally no criticism)
  • The pushing of Netflix and pornography
  • The quiet quitting at work
  • An economy where people made more money with their house value than with labour
They are putting sugar in fuel tank, letting the the engine run without any oil.

I think they are breaking the last bits of the free market.

And when it halts we will go to them begging to save us and to give us handouts as the plebs begged for experimental shots in our veins.
 
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ivalyosha

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
The way western women today are betraying their own fathers, brothers, husbands, and sons will be marked as one of the most horrific and evil acts in the future history books. Other than jews they're the most ardent supporters of every unholy movement currently going on- BLM, feminism, cancel culture, covid vaccines, migration in Europe, muh reparations, transgenders, baby-killing.”

My own wife… my God, I don’t know what to do. Several years ago I listened in horror as she argued with colleagues for over an hour in an on-line meeting in favor of the Black Lives Matter madness. And then the whole Covid mess, with vaccinations and masks and social distancing… we couldn’t have a simple discussion about any of this without her turning into a screaming lunatic. Then Roe v. Wade… and my wife is ranting and posting in favor of murdering babies. The latest is all about how everyone must support the transgender agenda. It never ends… I am married to a madwoman.

There’s no discussing any of this with her… She’s right, I’m wrong, period. I never raise my voice, I never speak in a hateful or hurtful manner… but an honest quiet question or comment from me, and she’s off to the races!

Our youngest leaves for college in two years… it is destroying me to even consider it, but I might leave, too.

No man should have to live like this. And sadly, I suspect that there are many many thousands of men in the same boat as me.
Sorry that you're dealing with this, brother. My wife is as "woke" as yours. Fortunately she doesn't scream, but any political discussion does lead to tears on her side. My advice is I've found focusing on my faith and minimizing political discussions has resulted in more peace in our marriage. I pray for her to leave behind the globalist propaganda talking points and follow the same journey of faith as me, but I must accept I can't force or rush it. This will be a multi-year journey and may not work out in the end. I see her very gradually softening to the idea even she isn't ready herself. She's already brought up herself how many of her leftist friends are in therapy and are generally miserable. I'm aiming to show her how faith can make for a strong and moral individual free of the woke nonsense. Ultimately though, it's up to the grace of God.

The other thing is women care more than men do on average with fitting in to a group. If their friends and social media are full of wokeism, they will parrot the same things. Try to get her spending less time on social media and more time with less woke people if you can. If she spends more time gradually with more traditional people whom she likes, she will soften her woke positions over time.
 

andy dufresne

Pelican
Other Christian
Sorry that you're dealing with this, brother. My wife is as "woke" as yours. Fortunately she doesn't scream, but any political discussion does lead to tears on her side. My advice is I've found focusing on my faith and minimizing political discussions has resulted in more peace in our marriage. I pray for her to leave behind the globalist propaganda talking points and follow the same journey of faith as me, but I must accept I can't force or rush it. This will be a multi-year journey and may not work out in the end. I see her very gradually softening to the idea even she isn't ready herself. She's already brought up herself how many of her leftist friends are in therapy and are generally miserable. I'm aiming to show her how faith can make for a strong and moral individual free of the woke nonsense. Ultimately though, it's up to the grace of God.

The other thing is women care more than men do on average with fitting in to a group. If their friends and social media are full of wokeism, they will parrot the same things. Try to get her spending less time on social media and more time with less woke people if you can. If she spends more time gradually with more traditional people whom she likes, she will soften her woke positions over time.
Many years ago I entered into a secular marriage when I was still beta and asleep.

She was wokest of woke and a dark Triad narcissist to boot.

Our Divorce was the best thing ever. There was nothing worse than being in a marriage with someone you have no common ground or shared mission.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
The home that I return to each day is a peaceful sanctuary. Inside there is a feeling of calm, and it's as though I'm in a different dimension altogether. Work is another matter entirely, and I have to endure the same as you on pretty well a daily basis. I give thanks that I have somewhere to escape to when the clock strikes 5 which, as you say, is not the case for many.

It's the same way in my little town. Mostly a nice little community and, although some of the younger families are a bit rough around the edges redneck, it's small enough that we all know the local city admin and we all feel like we're on the same team.

For the wife issue I'd try to get them involved in the most traditional community you can find and have them hang out with the other women. The way women tend overwhelmingly to just conform to the group around them can cut both ways.
 

chance vought

Woodpecker
Protestant
The other thing is women care more than men do on average with fitting in to a group. If their friends and social media are full of wokeism, they will parrot the same things. Try to get her spending less time on social media and more time with less woke people if you can. If she spends more time gradually with more traditional people whom she likes, she will soften her woke positions over time.
This exactly! Generations ago, when a people were conquered, the surviving men were killed or enslaved, and the women who resisted were killed or enslaved. The women who conformed and submitted to the new conquerers were bred and their children survived, over and over, ever since the development of agriculture, humans have been "domesticating" ourselves, as well as other animals.
Those traits have been selected for by our ancestors, just like they didn't adopt baby wolves that bit their children.
Women either conformed or their genetics didn't survive.

A modern example of this phenomenon was the widespread fraternization of Parisian women with Nazi officers during the occupation of France.

A more ancient example are the Chinese, where anyone who questioned the majority was executed, which not only changed the cultural norms, but also the genetic makeup of "heretics VS normies" such that almost 100% of their population are normies. That's one reason China and much of Asia has far less technical innovation than the west since the Renaissance. It's not only a cultural norm to conform, its also genetic.

Many professional Asian instrumentalists can play very technically and perfectly, but there is no feeling, improvisation or personality to their playing... Its like listening to a robot.
 
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Sevomoz

Pigeon
Catholic
I wouldn’t go down the path of trying to track down an outspoken conservative woman.

A woman that in her behavior is conservative but that is generally a normie on most things and who is not outspoken is probably good.

A meek, traditional and feminine woman will defer to the husband for important decisions.

It’s a tough position to be in for a woman to question current status quo and defy society’s orthodoxy. Don’t try to find a woman who thinks exactly like you do. Just one that trusts you to make the right decisions for your family.
 

chance vought

Woodpecker
Protestant
I wouldn’t go down the path of trying to track down an outspoken conservative woman.

A woman that in her behavior is conservative but that is generally a normie on most things and who is not outspoken is probably good.

A meek, traditional and feminine woman will defer to the husband for important decisions.

It’s a tough position to be in for a woman to question current status quo and defy society’s orthodoxy. Don’t try to find a woman who thinks exactly like you do. Just one that trusts you to make the right decisions for your family.
Some women are capable of a rational discussion, it is just exceedingly rare, I'm not a biologist but my guess would be either a small subset of the heretic gene exists in the female population, or some hormonal balance like reduced estrogen and increased testosterone in utero or lifelong that alters brain development in a small subset <1% of the female population, giving them what would be considered a male rationality.

A good example would be the DarkHorse Podcast, where Dr Heather Heying and husband Dr Brett Weinstein have a level of rational debate between each other that is much more common between men than a typical woman is capable of without getting emotional and then irrational.

In my experience these women are less than 1/100th of the population, but they are drawn to male fields not by quotas but because they actually want to, and excel at them. One I worked with, flies jets, and has 3 motorcycles, 2 of them dedicated track day bikes. At first it was jarring to interact with a woman like that, because the dynamic is similar to talking to a man, but with a female body and voice. It seems like a facade at first, then you realize that no, some women just think like men, in an organized manner, arranging things in discrete boxes that are related, VS most women try to relate as much as they can with everything else, each thought like a spaghetti noodle in a jumbled plate of spaghetti, touching many others with merely a coincidental relationship - leading to breaks in logic such as "magical thinking" that men are less prone to do.
 
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
Another explanation for the decline of society is that we don't have a future. Think about it. What are we really facing? Some kind of digital dystopia. Already we've lost most of our rights such as speech, association, and assembly. The economic prospects are slim. If you're white you're already being discriminated against, targeted, and blamed for everything. What's in store for the young white generation, which is already a minority? The sorts of "freedoms" we have are utterly absurd and aside from a tiny minority of freaks, who would be interested in any of this stuff? You can't be a woman, you can't be a man, you can't find a wife/husband, you can't have kids, you can't have a family, you can't find reliable and consistent employment you can't even say "Merry Christmas" etc. Speaking of Christmas, you can't even really celebrate our holidays. Thanksgiving is slowly morphing into "friendsgiving". Worse still, these wholesome and beautiful holidays are being replaced by "women's history month" or "pride" month. We can't have a truly all-inclusive day to give thanks...no no; we must celebrate only certain people and for an entire month!

It gets worse. What can you do?

You can have gay sex, dress up as the opposite sex, castrate or mutilate yourself and become obese. Additionally, you can hate your ancestors, hate your family, hate your country, hate your heroes, hate your religion, and hate your tradition. Oh, and you can consume endless amounts of processed/synthetic foods until your digestive tract explodes. There is nothing aesthetic about the world around us. Everything is built according to some myth about climate change, so, its all "sustainably sourced", which means confining shapes and spaces. Music, TV, and movies are absolutely terrible and designed almost entirely for the purpose of propaganda. Quite honestly, its hell on Earth. I could go on. There is no future and among all the other factors, which are definitely relevant, this one really takes the cake.

Its blackpilling, but, never forget, things change. Save for a couple of miscreants NONE of this is appealing to people. Given a choice to live this way or not, I think people will increasingly opt-out. For now, we're in this weird mass psychosis or hysteria. That's why I have a lot of hope for the parallel economy.
 

WanderingProtagonist

Sparrow
Orthodox
Some women are capable of a rational discussion, it is just exceedingly rare, I'm not a biologist but my guess would be either a small subset of the heretic gene exists in the female population, or some hormonal balance like reduced estrogen and increased testosterone in utero or lifelong that alters brain development in a small subset <1% of the female population, giving them what would be considered a male rationality.

A good example would be the DarkHorse Podcast, where Dr Heather Heying and husband Dr Brett Weinstein have a level of rational debate between each other that is much more common between men than a typical woman is capable of without getting emotional and then irrational.

In my experience these women are less than 1/100th of the population, but they are drawn to male fields not by quotas but because they actually want to, and excel at them. One I worked with, flies jets, and has 3 motorcycles, 2 of them dedicated track day bikes. At first it was jarring to interact with a woman like that, because the dynamic is similar to talking to a man, but with a female body and voice. It seems like a facade at first, then you realize that no, some women just think like men, in an organized manner, arranging things in discrete boxes that are related, VS most women try to relate as much as they can with everything else, each thought like a spaghetti noodle in a jumbled plate of spaghetti, touching many others with merely a coincidental relationship - leading to breaks in logic such as "magical thinking" that men are less prone to do.
Sounds more like a masculine woman to me only with a feminine body frame and pretty face.
 
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Grigori

 
Banned
Other Christian
I'm thinking more and more we are seeing an engineered collapse.
And then what? After the collapse happens, there will be no one to restore it. Will the leftists, wokeists, transsexuals, etc be able to build a better society anew, or even a society anew? I don't think so. They may consider themselves as superheroes, but that's just because they're riding the tails of the productive conservative hard working men. We have seen in other threads that when companies fire the productive men, and hire a bunch of free loaders, the entire company goes down hill. We'll see such a phenomenon in society too. They're insane crazy people who think they can pull of an engineered collapse because then everything falls down, and they can't pull it back up again, they don't know how to and they are not physically able to do that. Most likely a third party steps in and takes over from then.
 

Cr33pin

Peacock
Other Christian
Gold Member






It's completely insane. They are making crazy ridiculous facial expressions and exaggerated gestures. It's not even funny, it's cringe. Especially the fat blond girl in the last video. I could see a three year old child making faces like that, but not a teen or adult person! And what's even more insane is that the silly people are getting lots of subscribers, but the talented artists and musicians only have a few hundred subscribers.


I haven't even watched those videos.... but I already know they are relevant to the decline of society
 

SonofTuribius

Pigeon
Catholic
The decline of the West has everything to do with the reffusal to accept the Kingship of Christ our Lord over all temporal matters.

We live in a time of hedonism, consumist materialism, pansexualism, unnatural sterility, void entertainment, existential anguish, relativism, laicist secularism, individualism, nihilism and sheer indifference for anything of importance. This is because man loses everything if he loses Christ.

How did man lose Christ?​

This is called the Universal Process of Apostasy (UPA), and H.H. Pious XI summarizes it in this way:

"This evil spirit, as you are well aware, Venerable Brethren, has not come into being in one day; it has long lurked beneath the surface. The empire of Christ over all nations was rejected. The right which the Church has from Christ himself, to teach mankind, to make laws, to govern peoples in all that pertains to their eternal salvation, that right was denied.

Then gradually the religion of Christ came to be likened to false religions and to be placed ignominiously on the same level with them. It was then put under the power of the state and tolerated more or less at the whim of princes and rulers. Some men went even further, and wished to set up in the place of God's religion a natural religion consisting in some instinctive affection of the heart. There were even some nations who thought they could dispense with God, and that their religion should consist in impiety and the neglect of God.

The rebellion of individuals and states against the authority of Christ has produced deplorable consequences. We lamented these in the Encyclical Ubi arcano; we lament them today: the seeds of discord sown far and wide; those bitter enmities and rivalries between nations, which still hinder so much the cause of peace; that insatiable greed which is so often hidden under a pretense of public spirit and patriotism, and gives rise to so many private quarrels; a blind and immoderate selfishness, making men seek nothing but their own comfort and advantage, and measure everything by these; no peace in the home, because men have forgotten or neglect their duty; the unity and stability of the family undermined; society in a word, shaken to its foundations and on the way to ruin" (Quas Primas, 24).

Just like there is no salvation outside the Church, there is no salvation for civil society outside of Christendom or the Kingship of Christ.
 

SeaEagle

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Some women are capable of a rational discussion, it is just exceedingly rare, I'm not a biologist but my guess would be either a small subset of the heretic gene exists in the female population, or some hormonal balance like reduced estrogen and increased testosterone in utero or lifelong that alters brain development in a small subset <1% of the female population, giving them what would be considered a male rationality.

A good example would be the DarkHorse Podcast, where Dr Heather Heying and husband Dr Brett Weinstein have a level of rational debate between each other that is much more common between men than a typical woman is capable of without getting emotional and then irrational.

In my experience these women are less than 1/100th of the population, but they are drawn to male fields not by quotas but because they actually want to, and excel at them. One I worked with, flies jets, and has 3 motorcycles, 2 of them dedicated track day bikes. At first it was jarring to interact with a woman like that, because the dynamic is similar to talking to a man, but with a female body and voice. It seems like a facade at first, then you realize that no, some women just think like men, in an organized manner, arranging things in discrete boxes that are related, VS most women try to relate as much as they can with everything else, each thought like a spaghetti noodle in a jumbled plate of spaghetti, touching many others with merely a coincidental relationship - leading to breaks in logic such as "magical thinking" that men are less prone to do.
My Mother loves trucks as much as a redneck 18 year old. I don't know why.

Edit: I spent about 3 hours today on the phone trying to unlock my credit card so I could buy a jacket. I got transferred to 6 different departments, had to repeat my credit card number over 10 times, and had to go into a bank just to update my ID so I could use my card. Incompetence and relentless verification make doing anything online a pain. Technology was supposed to make life easier.

I can't even use my fake facebook account anymore because semi-pornographic reels grab my attention and feed lust. I hope children aren't exposed to these short-form videos. It bums me out.
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
Edit: I spent about 3 hours today on the phone trying to unlock my credit card so I could buy a jacket. I got transferred to 6 different departments, had to repeat my credit card number over 10 times, and had to go into a bank just to update my ID so I could use my card. Incompetence and relentless verification make doing anything online a pain. Technology was supposed to make life easier.
All this kind of regulation, that you know if you would just have a normal person in front of you, it would be fixed in a minute. But it's not.

Had similar situation lately, they gave the choice to speak in English instead of my local language and got transferred to the Indian hell: "yes I understand mr, do you have a moment?" 5 minutes later "Let me look that up for you" "I see you called earlier" "Do you have the case number?" disconnected " we first need to check you details" "what's your birth date?" "you postal code?" "can you spell your name?" "sorry the connection is bad, i need to disconnect" "sorry the system doesn't allow me to help you" "only within 7 days I can change you details" "you are outside that period" "I would love to help you but I can't"

All these verifications, rules and compliance are sucking the energy out of every contact.

They may consider themselves as superheroes, but that's just because they're riding the tails of the productive conservative hard working men.
Good summary. That's what I see with the modern do-gooders. No sacrifice. Angry. Stressed. And I can't even blame them, they somewhere feel the need to be a good woman or man, Christ is calling them, I was speaking to an old lady in church who said "People might not think about God, but God is thinking about them". In this mega bureaucracy some get paid 100.000s employed at the UN that never worked for a day, I mean real work, somebody wants a drink and you serve them, or someone wants their place cleaned and you do it. In a more natural environment man would ask, what do you give me, anyhow when productive conservative hard working men stop paying taxes and giving their labour to building their houses, growing their food, taking care of them when they are in hospital, shipping their stuff, it all easily collapses, what will the freeloaders do?
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
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TheosisSeeker

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
I think we all suffer greatly under the fact that we are unable to discern the spirits.

As John of Damascus said the virtue of discernment "is greater than any other virtue; and is the queen and crown of all the virtues" and I can only agree.

Personally I missed education in this, how to discern spirits, how to know what is good and wrong. What is of the devil and what is of God. When we don't know we are vulnerable to the words of the devil. It's my mission to discern better. On many fields I still live how they taught me to live, I hope to invite Christ more and more in my life. Make better decisions, discerning and following the right path. This is a very personal path I notice. It's personal work. To read the Gospel, to pray, to feel, to listen.

In society the discernment of spirits has been replaced with Jew controlled morality: electric car good, Putin bad, Zelensky good, white bad, black good, Christ bad, unborn killing good, city good, rural area bad, China bad, West good, trump protest bad, BLM & green protest good.

The jews taught us to just follow our impulses, to do what feels good in the moment, do what you want, to let go, enjoy life, enjoy sex, to eat junkfood, have sex with 20 other before you are 25, to gossip, to brag, to Netflix and chill, to travel, to save the world.

Just like men can be unhinged, as most of us know here, women are unhinged. I think they are even more vulnerable to the Jewish media and schooling system. Fully parroting what has been taught to them. Perfect puppets as the chances are very low they will ever break the social norm.

It's not that women are unable to be courageous, but history has shown women are indeed the first to give in to the new ruler, the new dogma, the new man. While men are still mourning a past relationship, women already went on in the new relationship.

One of my my big failures was to make women so important in my existence. It's a form of abuse for a man to be taught things by a woman after the age of 5. Listen to women on TV, in school, to mom, the first girlfriend later and then the hunting for female acceptance.

The spirit of the devil is roaming on earth and is finding vulnerable hosts. We need to protect ourselves and those around us.

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My experience was when I was young I was very aware of what was right and wrong. Things started going a little downhill from the teenage years on. From then until my 20s, I felt I was very susceptible to cultural programming. Then after rediscovering my faith from the past several years on, I have been very aware.

The reality is that we have the spirit of God within us, and intuitively we know what's right and wrong. Even the biggest sinners and fornicators know what they are doing is wrong. Our conscience will always tell us.

The opposite is also true, when you help another human being or do good in the world, you feel it.

It's our impulses and emotions in the moment that betray us. We fail to think our actions through, then we are susceptible to sin. I feel if I make an effort to think through an action, we can discern if it's right or wrong.
 
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