The decline of functioning society - What's going on?

Grigori

 
Banned
Other Christian
This is a difficult one and I realize my question may have seemed like an attack (it wasn't)

Many good Christians just can't let go of evolution, Earth being six thousand million years old, and other anti-Christian scientific theories.
Earth being approximately 4 billion years old is not anti-Christian at all. If you think it is, then you are missing the point of Christianity entirely.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Earth being approximately 4 billion years old is not anti-Christian at all. If you think it is, then you are missing the point of Christianity entirely.
The point of Christianity is that death entered the world by Adam, and Christ is the Second Adam through whom life comes. (Romans 5:12-21)

If it took billions of years of death to make Adam, you're the one missing the point of Christianity entirely. Death is not a natural part of the world. It is the "last enemy to be destroyed" (1 Cor. 15:26). And before you say it's all okay because animals don't count, there's the parts in Isaiah about the wolf and the lamb living together, the lion eating straw like an ox, and snakes eating dust. And a little child will lead them. The point there is clear: even animals will no longer suffer death, death is an enemy to animals as well. There's a reason a man lets a few tears out when his dog dies. All creation groans under bondage to decay (death) and eagerly awaits its liberation from that bondage (Romans 8:19-23).
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
The point of Christianity is that death entered the world by Adam, and Christ is the Second Adam through whom life comes. (Romans 5:12-21)

If it took billions of years of death to make Adam, you're the one missing the point of Christianity entirely. Death is not a natural part of the world. It is the "last enemy to be destroyed" (1 Cor. 15:26). And before you say it's all okay because animals don't count, there's the parts in Isaiah about the wolf and the lamb living together, the lion eating straw like an ox, and snakes eating dust. And a little child will lead them. The point there is clear: even animals will no longer suffer death, death is an enemy to animals as well. There's a reason a man lets a few tears out when his dog dies. All creation groans under bondage to decay (death) and eagerly awaits its liberation from that bondage (Romans 8:19-23).

The decay isn't just death but also the genetic mutations that deteriorate our DNA and hence our health as well as capabilities. Neither Adam and Eve needed spectacles for example.
 

Argus101

Robin
Protestant
China ups a gear.

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Looks like China's nomenklatura are finally getting wise to the true nature of women....
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Death is the consequence of the mechanism that degradation occurs by. That's what aging is. Your body degrades to the point that it can't function anymore. It's connected to the entropic nature of our world that was introduced by the Fall.

Is genetic mutation and subsequent inherited disease a slower version of that but in the Human DNA since Adam?
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Is genetic mutation and subsequent inherited disease a slower version of that but in the Human DNA since Adam?
The way I understand it, when a baby is conceived, it inherits the damaged genetic information (mutations and inherited diseases), but it is given a full lease on life because, for instance, somehow it has longer telomeres than its parents do. Telomeres are supposed to protect the chromosomes from becoming damaged, and as you grow older your telomeres get shorter since chromosomes don't replicate 100%, they lop off some of the previous telomere length. But for some reason, this isn't passed on to the baby. The baby gets a "reset" of the telomeres, but not a "reset" of the genetic content.

It seems that there are 2 levels of degradation happening at the generational scale and at the individual scale.

It's also rather curious that chromosomes don't replicate everything yet babies get longer telomeres. If telomeres are connected to aging, it almost seems like that was... intentionally designed. As if God intentionally shortened our lifespans as He said He would in Genesis 6:3. It looks like one of those things that wasn't originally designed that way, then modified to work the other way.

But anyway, we're getting very much off-topic. This is a discussion for a different thread.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The way I understand it, when a baby is conceived, it inherits the damaged genetic information (mutations and inherited diseases), but it is given a full lease on life because, for instance, somehow it has longer telomeres than its parents do. Telomeres are supposed to protect the chromosomes from becoming damaged, and as you grow older your telomeres get shorter since chromosomes don't replicate 100%, they lop off some of the previous telomere length. But for some reason, this isn't passed on to the baby. The baby gets a "reset" of the telomeres, but not a "reset" of the genetic content.

It seems that there are 2 levels of degradation happening at the generational scale and at the individual scale.

It's also rather curious that chromosomes don't replicate everything yet babies get longer telomeres. If telomeres are connected to aging, it almost seems like that was... intentionally designed. As if God intentionally shortened our lifespans as He said He would in Genesis 6:3. It looks like one of those things that wasn't originally designed that way, then modified to work the other way.

But anyway, we're getting very much off-topic. This is a discussion for a different thread.
Telomeres can be associated with aging, but aren't always. They end up not being that much of a focus by the longevity people regarding healthspan and/or lifespan. Even DNA methylation (more correlated with aging and death) isn't completely the harbinger that people just a year or two ago thought it might be. This methylation is the epigenetics topic, though. I tend to agree with the ecologic aspect of humans longevity as being like animals, which is more along the lines of programmed death with several intraspecies variations. With good health you can suspend some degree of degradation, but mostly you have a range of ages that you theoretically could be, regardless of the good work/stewardship you perform with your body.
 

traelo

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
The chief executive of Channel 4, Alex Mahon, said that this group does not "believe in unrestrained free speech," and were much more willing to "censor" certain materials that they deemed to be offensive, especially "in support of people they see as vulnerable."

"Young people could be said to be less liberal because they are less tolerant of the views of others than their parents and grandparents — surely a novelty. There is an obvious paradox between this intolerance and their genuinely stated desire for everyone to have their rights and freedoms defended," Mahon added.
Translation: Fags and Trannies should be allowed to live their lives as they want, and society should strive to become an echo chamber where these people don't have to hear opposing views.

Piers Morgan actually called out this BS a while ago (timestamped at 7:10):


The new generation is completely brainwashed and doesn't even realize when they are contradicting themselves.
 
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