The decline of functioning society - What's going on?

Ironclad

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
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Towgunner

Pelican

We can act surprised. We can act disgusted. But, there's a relationship between this and Bud Light and even Hollywood. There's no rational reason for this, in the same way, there was no rational reason for gillette to alienate and insult their largest most loyal customer base. The only thing that ties all this together is ideology. The same forces that insist that an investment bank rainbowize its corporate logo are behind absurd decisions such as this. It has nothing to do with results. Nothing to do with growing revenue, margins and shareholder value. Nothing to do with improving already dismal recruiting results. In fact, this stunt will likely make recruiting even worse. So why and how? Why - because this is a hostile ideology, or more apt, cult. How - they hold these organizations hostage, by threatening corporate or military leaders that if they don't do things like this they'll be labeled an ist, ism or phobe. They're being extorted.
 

Ironclad

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
We can act surprised. We can act disgusted. But, there's a relationship between this and Bud Light and even Hollywood. There's no rational reason for this, in the same way, there was no rational reason for gillette to alienate and insult their largest most loyal customer base. The only thing that ties all this together is ideology. The same forces that insist that an investment bank rainbowize its corporate logo are behind absurd decisions such as this. It has nothing to do with results. Nothing to do with growing revenue, margins and shareholder value. Nothing to do with improving already dismal recruiting results. In fact, this stunt will likely make recruiting even worse. So why and how? Why - because this is a hostile ideology, or more apt, cult. How - they hold these organizations hostage, by threatening corporate or military leaders that if they don't do things like this they'll be labeled an ist, ism or phobe. They're being extorted.
There are massive business opportunities for companies that do not bend the knee to the woke rainbow mafia.
 

Towgunner

Pelican
American Thinker has an article out today about US weakness invites Iranian attacks in the Gulf. Well, well well.

Biden's nefarious connections to Iran. Our smaller Navy etc. All are contributing factors. That said, the 5th Fleet (I believe it is or was) had purview over the gulf. And our power used to be unquestionable in these waters. But what did the Navy actually stand for? It was the sharp pointy instrument that reminded that region to trade in US Dollars. Or else. Nothing else matter. All the drama was a side show. Yes, it is about oil, but less about the money some cartoon from Texas is making and more about how that oil is paid for. As we can see, there's no response from our Navy to the recent shenanigans in the Gulf. But, we can also see that the Gult, Iran on one side, and Saudi on the other have jettisoned the USD. No one is following the old rules. The article continued that of the 11 carrier battle groups, 8 are in port or drydock. And the active ones are in the Pacific, for obvious reasons. Carries are real expensive. And without that unlimited money from the USD petrodollar...well, hard to pay from them. Not to mention that the emerging new global powers all have advanced missiles that make carriers nothing more than very big slow and floating targets. In fact, many people believe carriers are obsolete.

Never mind about the seizing of oil tankers. Iran is trading oil in the Yuan. That alone would have gotten us to invade back in the day. Of course, look at a map and see that Iran was surrounded by Iraq and Afghanistan - both countries housed our military for nearly 20 years. Talk about deterrence. But, we're no longer there - having retreated saying "run away, run away". Today the navy is about using cross dressers, because, after all, they're the most qualified warriors and nuclear engineers and aviators. Thats what has become of the once mighty force that ruled those waters.
 

Sandalwood Peak

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
I've been struggling with a couple philosophical ideas when it comes to the general consensus.

On the subject of the decline of western society. We're obviously in agreement that there has been a significant degradation of everything. But there arises some questions;

Is the degradation of our society a nefarious plot or have human beings willingly, in error, forgone the old for the "new"? Aren't we still doubling down on this choice?

If we had stayed less "advanced" isn't it possible we would have grown envious of others and become embroiled in sin regardless?

Doesn't it seem logically inevitable that we would experiment with egalitarianism if you're willing to call a lot of our (((policies))) that?

Isn't it also possible we would have been subjugated by outsiders had we forgone "civilization advancement" to play devil's advocate?

Does the blame of Jewish exploitation or other actors rests with them or with us who've enabled them?

Are we even capable of "fixing" problems of the collective when these problems stem from sin?

Didn't others through out time not suffer also so why should we feel owed a society suited for our own ends?
 

murphykj930

Robin
Buddhist / Eastern
Is the degradation of our society a nefarious plot or have human beings willingly, in error, forgone the old for the "new"?
Dropping the old for the new is the core of quite a few problems. We’re partly to blame (YOLO!), but we’ve been peddled into a giant ponzi scheme. Toxins everywhere, a terrible educational system, an abhorrent medical one, all in the name of the almighty dollar. A good chunk of the new is indeed, hot garbage.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I've been struggling with a couple philosophical ideas when it comes to the general consensus.

On the subject of the decline of western society. We're obviously in agreement that there has been a significant degradation of everything. But there arises some questions;

Is the degradation of our society a nefarious plot or have human beings willingly, in error, forgone the old for the "new"? Aren't we still doubling down on this choice?

If we had stayed less "advanced" isn't it possible we would have grown envious of others and become embroiled in sin regardless?

Doesn't it seem logically inevitable that we would experiment with egalitarianism if you're willing to call a lot of our (((policies))) that?

Isn't it also possible we would have been subjugated by outsiders had we forgone "civilization advancement" to play devil's advocate?

Does the blame of Jewish exploitation or other actors rests with them or with us who've enabled them?

Are we even capable of "fixing" problems of the collective when these problems stem from sin?

Didn't others through out time not suffer also so why should we feel owed a society suited for our own ends?

Japan is good to compare, since it doesn't have the same Semitic component. They are even further down the rabbit-hole of social and family decline. They have their own widespread phenomena of sexualising pre-pubescent children. Hug hotels, well-paid career women paying pretty boys for a date, waifu pillows, and so on. The difference being is when Japan hits rock bottom on its current trajectory, it will still be Japan.

Another place you can look at for colouring is Dubai. They have been chopping back at conservative laws. Behind the scenes there is obviously a lot of degeneracy going on. Once the elite has rotted, even if it's behind closed doors it starts seeping out into the general population. If the elite are degenerates behind close doors. Why not the upper-middle class? Until it spills out in public. The lower class are unable to establish moral standards without an elite enforcing them for them. This is not something most people believe is acceptable now. This forum is far to the right of the average middle- to upper-class Muslim living in UAE. They are all being seduced by wealth and freedom. The elite ease the laws more to make more money and they are kind of trapped in that cycle now. First they gave citizenship to a few footballers to gain prestige, to get to the world cup. Now they are opening up citizenship to select super-investors...

Are the Arab elite engaged in subverting their own countries? I don't know, but I don't think so, I think it's purely seduction. And, of course, thanks to the Zio-Don, these countries are now welcoming in huge number of Israeli tourists and numerous residents. How long until many of the large companies there, often established by Indian Brahmin will end up owned by the tribe, as has happened with Anglo-institutions in America.

If you don't have an elite that enforces a moral code, society will be led by impulse, the short-term, pleasure-seeking. I don't think there is much of a way of balancing wealth-generation and technology with the traditional basis of society. But with that said, we are not even trying, and to do so would be literally Hitler. China is doing this somewhat, but I don't think their elite have a particularly good understanding of what the basis of a society is that can project itself into the future long-term. The only Western country that has a handle on this is Hungary. Russia is woefully poor in its own way. Even Turkey has utterly failed in its imperial ambitions, because they have not find a way to marry economic development and maintaining a base for society.

It's hard to say, but it seem Jews also end up in the same cycle. In the West they have the lowest fertility rate of anyone. They have a natural inclination to destroy their host population and really don't care how much their actions hurt themselves, so long as the host is on its way to debasement. Jews are a catalyst as well as an instigator (assuming your society is still traditional). I feel this is more their natural compulsion, rather than deliberate. The exception is Isreal, where their fertility is about three. But then that is the orthodox Jews. The secular Jews are adopting more left wing positions. They are reactionary creatures, who are looking for safety and comfort. Since Trump, huge numbers of Israeli Jews have adopted ideas of a plural state of Israel, not having their own ethno-state. Quite simply as that is what Trump was in favour of. If Donald Trump is a raging anti-Semite as claimed by the fake news since 2015, it's by inducing Jews to destroy their own country. Maybe that was his 4D chess.

I'm not sure to what extent we even have an elite any more. To what extent is our society run by a class of headless administrators? It seems to me an elite may have established a system to create drones to support itself, then died leaving no real successors. If they want to implement a great change, say great reset policies, in this system. How do they do it? They can't even build high speed rail. The current system is too full of jobsworths who get in the way. But it's still easy to create degenerate culture and broadcast it all over the world.

Kalus Schwabb is right that a big key to the future is who controls all the next-generation technology like AI and life extension technology. That is the next revolution that can keep some level of wealth, as people are plunged further into post-modernism, rootlessness and degeneracy. Maybe with that there can be some kind of new elite. But I don't see much filtering down from this elite. You had the Reagan years, which were the last squeeze of materialistic juice out of the individualistic system of American freedom. There was a lot of it to go around, and so the hippy parasites were chopped back for a generation or so. I don't see that happening again. There is not enough temporal pleasure to be distributed. That will only be enjoyed by a small temporally competent elite whose system will need to be extremely productive to keep the "useless people" sated.

*bit of a ramble*

I think it's possible that you could sort of meld tradition with technology, but it would have to be extremely strict and under something like an absolute monarchy. I don't think you could even begin to establish such a system in a Western country. Muh freedoms. e.g. the limiting of playing computer games to three hours in China. It's a very alien idea for the West. An end to divorce, a return of marriage until death, largely removing women from work. There would be a gigantic cull of freedom and efficient channelling of resources by the elite.

If you could establish such a system, then I think it would be very hard to keep it in place. Economic development leads to more freedom, inherently. It would be difficult to keep it all held in as people become more free. As one leader dies, eventually one will come along who would loosen laws. Maybe there is an economic slump, and people are getting a bit restless. He liberalises things to make more money and sate people. And so it continues.

It seems to me the correct way of living is like Amish or Old Belivers. They are those who have left the world the most and trust their fate to God the most. Their fate is they are occasionally culled and need to move on. Yet their faith keeps. They continue to live a simple life, even through the worst fates. It seems to me massacre is one of God's greatest gifts. Those who suffer massacre and still believe are the ones with the most intact culture and with the most well-established route to salvation.
 

DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
Oh, baby food is horrendous. Total poison. The worst I've seen so far, is the time we were given “teething cookies” which outside from some arrowroot powder, was literally just sugar cookie ingredients you would find in the supermarket including the added sugars and seed oils.

On top of that the prices are outrageous. The ones in that picture aren't so bad, but near me, if I were to feed my son exclusively store bought baby food, it would probably cost more to feed him than me, and that's despite him still breastfeeding a few times a day.
 

Salocin

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Oh, baby food is horrendous. Total poison. The worst I've seen so far, is the time we were given “teething cookies” which outside from some arrowroot powder, was literally just sugar cookie ingredients you would find in the supermarket including the added sugars and seed oils.

On top of that the prices are outrageous. The ones in that picture aren't so bad, but near me, if I were to feed my son exclusively store bought baby food, it would probably cost more to feed him than me, and that's despite him still breastfeeding a few times a day.
The worst I've seen is bottled water marketed to parents that don't breast feed to mix with the formula.

Not such a bad thing, right? Except this is fluoridated water. It is actually marketed as such, and foolish parents buy this for their infant.
 

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Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Japan is good to compare, since it doesn't have the same Semitic component. They are even further down the rabbit-hole of social and family decline. They have their own widespread phenomena of sexualising pre-pubescent children. Hug hotels, well-paid career women paying pretty boys for a date, waifu pillows, and so on. The difference being is when Japan hits rock bottom on its current trajectory, it will still be Japan.

Another place you can look at for colouring is Dubai. They have been chopping back at conservative laws. Behind the scenes there is obviously a lot of degeneracy going on. Once the elite has rotted, even if it's behind closed doors it starts seeping out into the general population. If the elite are degenerates behind close doors. Why not the upper-middle class? Until it spills out in public. The lower class are unable to establish moral standards without an elite enforcing them for them. This is not something most people believe is acceptable now. This forum is far to the right of the average middle- to upper-class Muslim living in UAE. They are all being seduced by wealth and freedom. The elite ease the laws more to make more money and they are kind of trapped in that cycle now. First they gave citizenship to a few footballers to gain prestige, to get to the world cup. Now they are opening up citizenship to select super-investors...

Are the Arab elite engaged in subverting their own countries? I don't know, but I don't think so, I think it's purely seduction. And, of course, thanks to the Zio-Don, these countries are now welcoming in huge number of Israeli tourists and numerous residents. How long until many of the large companies there, often established by Indian Brahmin will end up owned by the tribe, as has happened with Anglo-institutions in America.

If you don't have an elite that enforces a moral code, society will be led by impulse, the short-term, pleasure-seeking. I don't think there is much of a way of balancing wealth-generation and technology with the traditional basis of society. But with that said, we are not even trying, and to do so would be literally Hitler. China is doing this somewhat, but I don't think their elite have a particularly good understanding of what the basis of a society is that can project itself into the future long-term. The only Western country that has a handle on this is Hungary. Russia is woefully poor in its own way. Even Turkey has utterly failed in its imperial ambitions, because they have not find a way to marry economic development and maintaining a base for society.

It's hard to say, but it seem Jews also end up in the same cycle. In the West they have the lowest fertility rate of anyone. They have a natural inclination to destroy their host population and really don't care how much their actions hurt themselves, so long as the host is on its way to debasement. Jews are a catalyst as well as an instigator (assuming your society is still traditional). I feel this is more their natural compulsion, rather than deliberate. The exception is Isreal, where their fertility is about three. But then that is the orthodox Jews. The secular Jews are adopting more left wing positions. They are reactionary creatures, who are looking for safety and comfort. Since Trump, huge numbers of Israeli Jews have adopted ideas of a plural state of Israel, not having their own ethno-state. Quite simply as that is what Trump was in favour of. If Donald Trump is a raging anti-Semite as claimed by the fake news since 2015, it's by inducing Jews to destroy their own country. Maybe that was his 4D chess.

I'm not sure to what extent we even have an elite any more. To what extent is our society run by a class of headless administrators? It seems to me an elite may have established a system to create drones to support itself, then died leaving no real successors. If they want to implement a great change, say great reset policies, in this system. How do they do it? They can't even build high speed rail. The current system is too full of jobsworths who get in the way. But it's still easy to create degenerate culture and broadcast it all over the world.

Kalus Schwabb is right that a big key to the future is who controls all the next-generation technology like AI and life extension technology. That is the next revolution that can keep some level of wealth, as people are plunged further into post-modernism, rootlessness and degeneracy. Maybe with that there can be some kind of new elite. But I don't see much filtering down from this elite. You had the Reagan years, which were the last squeeze of materialistic juice out of the individualistic system of American freedom. There was a lot of it to go around, and so the hippy parasites were chopped back for a generation or so. I don't see that happening again. There is not enough temporal pleasure to be distributed. That will only be enjoyed by a small temporally competent elite whose system will need to be extremely productive to keep the "useless people" sated.

*bit of a ramble*

I think it's possible that you could sort of meld tradition with technology, but it would have to be extremely strict and under something like an absolute monarchy. I don't think you could even begin to establish such a system in a Western country. Muh freedoms. e.g. the limiting of playing computer games to three hours in China. It's a very alien idea for the West. An end to divorce, a return of marriage until death, largely removing women from work. There would be a gigantic cull of freedom and efficient channelling of resources by the elite.

If you could establish such a system, then I think it would be very hard to keep it in place. Economic development leads to more freedom, inherently. It would be difficult to keep it all held in as people become more free. As one leader dies, eventually one will come along who would loosen laws. Maybe there is an economic slump, and people are getting a bit restless. He liberalises things to make more money and sate people. And so it continues.

It seems to me the correct way of living is like Amish or Old Belivers. They are those who have left the world the most and trust their fate to God the most. Their fate is they are occasionally culled and need to move on. Yet their faith keeps. They continue to live a simple life, even through the worst fates. It seems to me massacre is one of God's greatest gifts. Those who suffer massacre and still believe are the ones with the most intact culture and with the most well-established route to salvation.
Great post.

The idea of cycles and the problems "of this world" keep going out and coming back, like the tide of the ocean.
 
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