The decline of functioning society - What's going on?

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
I was thinking about this thread and the experiences I've had traveling abroad in homogeneous societies, where there is this unspoken feeling that everyone is looking out for each other, because they are all family in a genetic sense. I distinctly noticed it in Asia. And how I've never felt that in America.

I was thinking about Johnny Cash and how he and many other artists including Linda Ronstadt, would often perform for prisoners (the most famous example being his first live album which he recorded playing for the men incarcerated at Folsom Prison in California). Can anyone imagine such a thing today?

Think about the basic level of compassion people had back then that Cash and many other artists wanted to perform for prisoners in their society as a mere act of kindness towards them. A form of forgiveness, in a way. And I don't know that it changed any prisoners' lives, but it surely is better than just locking them away for years and hoping they will somehow become reformed by their release date.

Can you imagine entertaining prisoners today? Would it even be allowed?

How would you even react if you heard an artist was going to play at a prison today?
Would you be happy, or just think "Oh what a stupid libtard, coddling those prisoners. "

Our prison population is 4 times larger than when Cash played there. What happened? Did we become 4x more criminal?

Just one more example of how atomized and dysfunctional our society has become.

As dalrock.wordpress.com

And as this Black youtuber documents. The "Family courts" have started attacking the family in the 1800's and this is contributing to atomization:
 

Gimlet

Pelican
You are absolutely right.

I expect racism and unfair treatment everywhere I turn. In fact, I expect most things to go wrong, and try to plan accordingly with multiple fall-back strategies. I specifically do not expect any person to do me any favor, or even avoid openly ripping me off if it benefits him. Unfortunately I have become a very defensive and hyper-aware person, highly paranoid and protective of my own.

I honestly have almost no respect for black people, which saddens me, since they are made in the image of God. However the black people in this country are so fallen and broken, because they are descended from broken and enslaved ancestors, who were sold by their black slave-masters in exchange for Jew-bought liquor, that it is impossible to have any respect for them if the word "respect" is to have any meaning at all.

Having spent some time working in different black ghetto environments when I used to be a mobile auto-repair technician, I can begin to understand how different, uniquely talented and motivated, and above all inspired by God, a young black man would need to be to escape the forces of failure and destruction that lie over these communities like a thick, tangible blanket of evil. When you are in these neighborhoods, you can feel the evil presence of Satan in the air, since no one is really in charge, no one cares about these areas or the people in them, and evil has been allowed to prevail to a high degree.

How can a young black man persevere in the broken, and now gay and pedophile school environment, then persevere through 99% of his peers being in gangs, not going to school, doing drugs, and shooting each other, to become any kind of respectable tradesperson or professional person capable of supporting himself by honest labor? Only by the power of God and by firmly fixing his mind to the Word of God and meditating on it day and night. So let us pray for these men and women, especially the youth, that they may find the light of Christ.

Smart blacks leave the neighborhood.
 

Cynllo

Kingfisher
Other Christian
The administrative state / managerial class has to go.

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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
The administrative state / managerial class has to go.

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I can't imagine this is what the founding fathers had in mind. Same goes for homes. In 1800, many people could build their own homes if they had a plot of land (although I am sure quality varied greatly). Today, you need a permit and have to follow ridiculous rules just to build a shed.

The government would rather have people homeless than live in a simple log cabin or yurt that they could build themselves for a low cost (if there were no ridiculous govt. rules to follow). I guess this is what leftists (and too many conservatives) call 'compassion.'
 

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
Nobody solicits advice anymore.

I mean the high drama, hot mess, baby mommas/burnouts/ basket cases who come to work and tell you the latest train wreck in their life, and await you reaction. Your approval or disapproval doesn't seem to matter, its just engaging conversation to these types. And there's a whole lot of them. They definitely qualify as broader society.


I'm not saying you should just ask anybody for their input on your decisions (such as anyone who works for the government; that's an awful awful idea), but any fool can intuitively know who is going to have a garbage answer and who isn't.


People would rather tell you what they did after they did it, rather than sincerely ask for a reasonable person's input before they do it. Admittedly, its probably because they know they won't like the answer- it would be too 'square' for them. Sound advice? Yes. Stale and no drama? Yes also.


Nothing especially recent in my life inspired me to post this. Its just a reflection over the years, particularly in my working life.


Of course, the drama mentioned connotates twenty-something single mother women, which certainly is in the mix of what I'm talking about, but also people much older, namely in their financial lives. The are some shockingly foolish pensioners and grandparent-age people out there, sans any legitimate medical conditions such as dementia.


Car loans. Student loans. Choice of apartments. Gambling compulsions. Substance compulsions. Getting jobs. Quitting jobs. Who you decide to shack up with and consequently, who you decide to have a kid with.


If these people would of maybe sorta asked the most quiet, well put-together, dare I say nerdy acquaintance in their life, of what they should do even 50% of the time- and then do it, their lives would be 10 times better. Probably still screwed up, but they wouldn't be quite so far down in the holes they dug for themselves.


I'm not trying to be snooty, but when this phenomenon of fiercely independent meets fiercely irresponsible reaches critical mass like it does today, boy does it ever screw everything up.


This applies to about all topics everyone's already mentioned here. The absurd shortage of labor? The behaviors listed above are only getting worse since the lockdowns, and don't really translate into being an effective worker, much less having a job. They're too preoccupied.
 

Solitarius

Robin
Catholic
The administrative state / managerial class has to go.

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I suspect that this sort of thing is generally done on purpose to keep the peons out; in return the would be commissars get a cut from those who can actually qualify & by this means maintain a monopoly on whatever kind of work it is. My uncle wanted to set up a taxi service for crippled people & found much the same thing. Western corruption is more hypocritical & I would say cowardly than third world corruption. They're not man enough to come out & say "No, my friends & I will keep that all to ourselves, now get out!" Instead it's always "Certainly, you can do that. Now all you've got to do is to jump through 5,000 flaming hoops, climb Mt. Everest & swim the Channel without a life-jacket in no more than 45 minutes. Once you've done that you can open your business." At least the corrupt Mexican official doesn't pretend that the mordida he demands is "for the children" or "public safety" or some other such rubbish.
 

paternos

Robin
Catholic
Sharing my view on the job market.

Less people are working as share of population. (mostly driven by pensioners and students)
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People are doing less productive work. More and more services and government jobs.
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We have seen recently more of a crackdown on the Goods sectors. Breaking farmers in the Netherlands, breaking the energy industry. Oil, gas, nuclear are all being destroyed in Europe.

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For the largest part services and government are parasitic on the Goods sector. And we see the goods sector. (farming, steel, energy, anything) is declining.

What we see is that the pensioners that stop come more from the producing goods sector and the people that enter the labour market come desire to work in the services sector.

And this the result. The trade balance of the US.

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So we have less people working, doing more "services", producing less real things as food, oil, steel, we have government aimed at further shrinking the goods sector, we have a trade balance, which makes you wonder why other countries are still willing to send us food, energy and goods, actually they don't as we see Russia doing now with Europe, the new generation is "educated" to save the climate and to manage and not pump oil, build houses and farm land, with the fiat money system more "money" has been made with doing nothing, just wait and assets increase in value, and that's reflected in our jobs.

Western society is fully dysfunctional, it doesn't produce anymore, there are more people working in insurance than in mining.

The society has become so parasitic that the the leeches are trying to suck the last out of those producing goods.

As in Holland cops are shooting at farmers because they say the farmers decrease biodiversity with nitrogen.


As with parasites they don't stop until the host is dead. And with many of the people in the producing sector pensioning, or point blank getting shot we are in shit.

It will be interesting to see hospitals without electricity and trained nurses, cafes without beer, households without food.

I think the rest us the world is done with feeding us, clothing us, giving us gas and oil in exchange for fake money. Being told constantly you are a third world country, that you have no good norms that you should allowing the killing of un-borns and sexual depravity.

The cutting of the gas line yesterday to Europe I think is just the start. Russia has been humiliated for years while they were heating our homes in Europe, providing our food, making our steel.

I mostly blame the parasites on top, those who seduced our people to this depraved system. I think the game is over, the parasites on top will probably shift somewhere else, leaving us with the chaos, tattooed fat girls glueing themselves to the street to save the weather, rampant homosexual perversion, people staring at screens all day, addicted to porn and shining images.

Ezekiel 16:49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

The abundance of idleness...

Those on top keep saying we have full employment, but do we? Are we doing anything useful? Is that employment? Shooting farmers? Is parasitism employment? If you produce nothing is that even work?

Let's see how this plays out.
 

Cynllo

Kingfisher
Other Christian
So we have less people working, doing more "services",

Some great info and analysis. Though I feel the status of services is often unfairly trashed.

It's better to look at what are productive and unproductive economic chains. That is much easier with tangible items, and less so with services. To what extent is something part of further chains of production and to what extent is something end end of chains of production. In the latter case you have films, holidays, gadgets, games etc., which all require chains of productions to be destroyed.

I'd guess the amount of non-productive economic activity has increased a lot with gaming, social media, streaming and the growth of a permanent childless child class of consumers.

Communications is a good example. Being able to send information almost anywhere, almost instantly at almost no cost was a great multiplier of productivity. So was being able to find out almost anything, from almost anywhere for almost nothing. These are services and are among the most potent economic multipliers that have existed.

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I think one of the big issues is there is a big lie in society, that is - there is not really any difference between anyone. This has perpetuated the notion that there is not really any difference in terms of intelligence. You can just send more people to university and get more professionals.

But the reality is that professionals are all 115+ IQ (15% of the population), and this is something that is biologically limited.

The regime has overproduced credentialed professionals without the intelligence to be an actual professional. Thus we have lots of people with a lot of debt, a useless degree, no skills and no entrepreneurial temperament.

From a purely economic view, it also makes sense to shut down your manufacturing and send it abroad. Then bunk your domestic workers up into semi-professional or professional roles. But you can't. So you now have the rust belt.

In the left wing view it is evil and mean to observe there are differences between people, or even never really acknowledge it, but still run your society realising this is true. But there are differences, and you can't magic your way out of that by ignoring it.

I feel almost everyone knows this, but the lie persists. I remember in school being told that there are different sets (of ability) because some people are slower than others. This was about 25 years ago. But I remember the moment clearly, because my mind twigged it as odd and computed within millisecond that it was rubbish told to people so they would not feel bad. Even the cadence of the teachers voice betrayed this was a lie. A lie that they had mostly convinced themselves of. We are a society of liars.

Western societies are full of these lies to make people (who the left expects to vote for them) comfortable. This is a society that is going to decline, as it has to constantly lie and give positions to people who should not have them.

In my long pondering of what the left are actually up to (because it's obviously not what they say it is), the conclusion is quite simple. The average leftist wants a safe space because it's good for them. They are absolutely terrified of competition. They don't want any confrontation (except of people who threaten the safe space). They don't really want to do anything difficult. They are not particularly motivated by rewards for excelling. Humans have a natural instinct of what is good for them. They don't need to understand any great movements. And they don't need any great foresight. They see other people whose circumstances can be used to buttress the safe space and they form together in an amalgam. Collectively, any sort of assertion against their constituency is oppression, fascism, anti-democratic. This has gone on to the extent it's barely possible to exist anywhere without regularly verbally signalling allegiance to the regime.

In the past men of ability would be plucked out of nowhere, as they were one of the few men of ability. Those who are high in a number of traits that make them highly effective and/or productive. "I could use this guy." would have been the reasoning of the seniors. Now it's "I need to fill a quota."
 
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chance vought

Woodpecker
Protestant
@Cynllo
Agree with most of what you said.
Services that improve productivity are just as vital as goods... some services are mostly rent-seeking (lawyers, banking), while some are vital (transportation.)

US manufacturing was moved overseas as a result of the Triffin dilemma, which causes such a demand for dollars that the USD remains stronger than every other currency. If one country can print the worlds money which must be used to service debt, this is exactly what happens.
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
So US labor force rates are approaching their 1950 levels now. In 1950, women in the workforce were extremely rare, where now it is assumed that any girl will grow up to work a job. When you factor that in to the data, our current labor participation rate is drastically worse.

As for services, of course they are important to some degree, but speaking at a macro level, the only thing which enriches a society or nation is what classical economists termed "basic employment" which was production of hard goods that are exported outside the local community. Think Boeing, making planes in Washington and sending them all over the world.

Compare that to the best airline pilot in the world, when all he can do is safely shuttle those Boeing employees from one place to another, but the wealth of the community changes not a bit. This is why services are not valued by many economists. Services generally *support* the producers of hard assets. The best hospital in the country does nothing but make the people in that community well, so that they can produce, but it does not make the society more wealthy just by doing great healthcare.

There is another modern term they now use for "basic employment" which I can't think of right now, but the concept is the same. Products sold outside the trade area (Nikon cameras, BMW cars, and of course everything in a Dollar Tree that China sent over here) is what creates wealth.

This is why economists frequently talk about the decline of manufacturing jobs. Sure, the worker made more, but that's a minor point. The overall wealth generated in the society was an even greater factor than that. A worker at John Deere might make twice what he makes doing an unskilled job, but John Deere sells billions and billions worth of farm equipment to farmers all around the country, and even the world, and by doing so greatly increases the wealth of its society.

This used to be very basic textbook stuff we taught in 10th grade Social Studies but is barely even taught today in our universities.


Non-basic employment are essentially jobs that service the local community. Jobs such as retail, local banking, and service based sectors (teachers, firefighters, etc.) keep the dollars within the community, but don’t bring in anything from outside. These jobs, although very useful to the community, do not create wealth but simply support basic employment.


Basic employment on the other hand, are jobs that produce more goods and services than can be consumed by the local community and are therefore consumed from outside the community. A great example of this is in the manufacturing sector, which is why manufacturing is so important to both local and national economies. If a company makes widgets that are then purchased across the US and even internationally, then those dollars are brought into a local community from outside resources. These jobs create wealth for local economies and are a healthy indicator of a growing economy. One basic job can create many non-basic jobs to support those services needed locally. This is why cities fight so hard to bring in basic jobs to their locales.
 
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chance vought

Woodpecker
Protestant
So US labor force rates are approaching their 1950 levels now. In 1950, women in the workforce were extremely rare, where now it is assumed that any girl will grow up to work a job. When you factor that in to the data, our current labor participation rate is drastically worse.

As for services, of course they are important to some degree, but speaking at a macro level, the only thing which enriches a society or nation is what classical economists termed "basic employment" which was production of hard goods that are exported outside the local community. Think Boeing, making planes in Washington and sending them all over the world.

Compare that to the best airline pilot in the world, when all he can do is safely shuttle those Boeing employees from one place to another, but the wealth of the community changes not a bit. This is why services are not valued by many economists. Services generally *support* the producers of hard assets. The best hospital in the country does nothing but make the people in that community well, so that they can produce, but it does not make the society more wealthy just by doing great healthcare.

There is another modern term they now use for "basic employment" which I can't think of right now, but the concept is the same. Products sold outside the trade area (Nikon cameras, BMW cars, and of course everything in a Dollar Tree that China sent over here) is what creates wealth.

This is why economists frequently talk about the decline of manufacturing jobs. Sure, the worker made more, but that's a minor point. The overall wealth generated in the society was an even greater factor than that. A worker at John Deere might make twice what he makes doing an unskilled job, but John Deere sells billions and billions worth of farm equipment to farmers all around the country, and even the world, and by doing so greatly increases the wealth of its society.

This used to be very basic textbook stuff we taught in 10th grade Social Studies but is barely even taught today in our universities.
Yes, but without transportation, there is far less specialization and efficiency in manufacturing. An Amish community can produce all the goods they need, but far less efficiently than an economy that has transportation, information, and other services.
Flying executives around has less utility, but if you want to have fresh fruit and seafood at the grocery store, or flowers for your funeral in December, you need the pilot.
Manufacturing is just the final step...how did they get the steel to make the tractors? The electricity to run the plant? The software to run the machines? The myriad components to build the tractor that aren't manufactured there, have to be transported. Repair parts to customers have to be transported world wide, rapidly.

Try to make a 10 cent pencil with no transportation, just in your home town. You need to be a lumberjack with a sawmill, woodworking shop, a graphite mine, copper mine, smelter, rubber plantation, oil well, refinery, chemical plant, paint factory, glue factory... You might be able to sell pencils for $1000 each and stay in business, or use a global transportation network and specialize in one part of the process and suddenly it is 10000x more efficient.
 

dekanawidah

Chicken
Other Christian
Let's hope so, but what signs do we have for society to turn around? With the blatant agenda of more pandemics, more vaccines, increasing colors on the LGBT+++ flag, increasing emphasis on climate change, an increasing divide between men/women, and the coming push for transhumanism I don't really see how things are going to turn around, given that 95% just does what the system demands of them without any 2nd thought. If they'd ''wake up'' when it would get ''too crazy'' then we should've passed that point by 10 miles now shouldn't we.
 

Mikeyd03

Woodpecker
I was reading a tweet today. Guy was talking about how he views all products from the perspective of the man hours that go into making them.

Example: Doritos

The labor to create each ingredient, the hours spent to transport the doritos to the grocery store, etc

His whole point: Everything we enjoy/use (society) is run by people. It's really an interesting question/thread because there is a lot at play and it's tough to boil the cause down to one specific thing.

We have feminism --> Strong women (less desirable/worse mothers/narcissism)
We have pornography --> Weaker men (less driven/worse fathers/docile)

The relationship between genders continues to decline.

Black culture --> More narcissism/Ego driven conditioning/Degenerate

Endless entertainment --> Netflix, Hulu, Tik-tok (shorter attention spans) Really social media has reduced our attention spans, yet increased our expectations out of life. Constantly comparing ourselves to others....yet much harder to achieve your goals in life with a shortened attention span.

Really if you can focus for 1 hour you have a competitive advantage over most of the population imo.

Debt based system --> rewards short-term pleasure over long-term discipline

Secularization --> Influencers, money, climate change, feminism, Political parties, sports. Seems like a lot of these have been used to fill a lot of religious voids.

Rambling at this point, just some thoughts. Of course technology should be included. Many people have become dopamine addicted zombies who can't look away from their smart phone for more than a few moments.

Widespread addiction really might be the answer.
 

dekanawidah

Chicken
Other Christian
Fiat currency —-> stolen human time —-> high time preference —-> no time investment in skills, building real capital, future generation —-> bread and circuses —-> dark ages

our great grandfathers could raise 9 kids on 1 income, have no debt and no mortgage, when gold was money

now 2 college educated parents have to take on a lifetime of debt to afford to be able to “raise“ 2 kids in a white neighborhood (when they aren’t working, that is)

Life finds a way, when things get too out of balance, to restore order from chaos. You young guys will live to see balance restored. This is the best time to be alive in human history. It won’t take 1000 years to recover this time, it will happen in one generation…20 years. The decline is not so slow that no one notices eg. Rome 200 AD. It is so rapid that people perceive it in their own lifetimes. Information moves so much faster, the fall and rise will be as well.
i just created an account here just to reply to this. i don't really come to this forum. i just wanted to say, i live in one of the most expensive states in the USA, which is also one of the most left wing. 2010-2020 i worked two jobs. i am not in a high paying field. since then i have only worked one due to covid and not wanting to work so much. my wife stays home to take care of the kids, of which we have five. she also homeschools them. we have a single family house that is over 2,000 sq ft.

we sure don't get ahead, but our material conditions don't really appear any different from any of my co-workers. i was shocked the other day to hear one of my co-workers that supports only herself say that she hasn't had steak for some time because she can't afford it. meanwhile, on the same paycheck or less my kids are having cuts of beef so much they complain about it. i can't imagine what that person must be spending her money on.

both my wife and i have post-graduate degrees with no school debt. i would like to encourage other people to kind of get creative and see what more they can get out of life.

so i just wanted to say, although it may -appear- that '2 college educated parents have to take on a lifetime of debt to afford to be able to “raise“ 2 kids in a white neighborhood', i don't think it is necessarily true. it is not easy, but i have been pulling it off for 14 years.

prior to this, i was single in a dead end job for about 9 years out of college. guys waking me up in the middle of the night knocking on the door trying to find out if their drug dealer was in my place. one day i was like, 'what the hell am i doing?' it was still a lot of work after i started asking myself that, but i was able to get it together eventually.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Anti-white racism is real:


So unless they are saved. Be prepared to fight and be equipped for victory. Let Christians of all Nations have each other's back. Are we not all brothers in Christ?
 
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