The decline of rock music

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I'm not a huge metal enthusiast but even I can tell that there's a big difference between actual satanic black and death metal bands and others that clearly don't have any of that, even as a shock element - Baroness and Mastodon come to mind. Metal musicians tend to be more cerebral and think about music in something more resembling the way a composer might, which cuts off a lot of the avenues for degeneracy, despite the tough image generally associated with it.
 

Salinger

Woodpecker
Blues originated in the Mississippi Delta region. It has ties to certain African musical traditions.

I've always thought the blues was overrated as a genre. I mean, I can listen to these artists for a song or two but I quickly grow tired of the music because it's essentially the same song structure as the last.

And while we're on the subject, why was Robert Johnson considered such a great player? I listened to those two songs you posted and there is nothing spectacular about his playing. If he made a deal with the devil to be a talented musician, I think he got gypped.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
No other form of modern art can achieve the greatness that some Heavy Metal bands reached.
Poetry, complexity, pure energy....

Quite up to date.

Along deserted avenues
Steam begins to rise
...



Even by the standards of a very cheesy hair metal genre, these guys are a bit out there. I would guess the kind of "poetry" they were into is of the bathhouse style...

 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
There's also Beach Boys, from the same time period.

I'm not a huge fan of the Beach Boys but they have their niche of SoCal beach and car culture. Kraftwerk's Autobahn, their first major album from 1974, was inspired by the Beach Boys, in that they came out with their own musical interpretation of their local car culture. Some of their lyrics also mimic Beach Boy songs like Barbara Ann and Fun Fun Fun (Fahr'n, fahr'n, fahr'n auf des Autobahn <-> Fun, fun , fun till her daddy takes the T-Bird away/Bar, Bar, Bar, Barbara-Ann). Autobahn is the ultimate road trip album, it's as smooth and beautiful as an Autumn morning cruise through Bavaria on the left lane.

 
I am a product of the eighties, and so I will share these songs which move my heart and feet... This could be a good primer for someone born after that period, who is not familiar with it's music.

I always imagine a Klingon warship going into battle, when I hear these songs! ; )



Huey Lewis wrote great lyrics that could be the focus of a red pill discussion on human nature....


The ultimate love song... Oh, Rachel Ward.... Damn....


The other ultimate love song... Well, even if it does suffer from One-itis and the urge to Simp... But most love songs do...


One of the most beautiful duets I have ever heard... Lionel Richie and Donna Summers...


Almost an eighties song! Composed in the eighties, released in the nineties... A good song when your mental health needs a boost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM

Another mood boosting classic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIOJdMdS56k

An Officer and a Gentleman was a phenomena when it came out.... What a film, what a song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrOcrisGyI&list=PLpl0TxcqaUl-nx3D1DYlWRqPv4N8IwMCG&index=15

A moving love song by Madonna.... One of her best....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E&list=PLpl0TxcqaUl-nx3D1DYlWRqPv4N8IwMCG&index=6

"Because the boy with the cold hard cash is always Mr. Right!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p-lDYPR2P8

Give it a hundred years or less, and this won't be a song about science fiction...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU

Peter Cetera! And the Karate Kid! A beautiful love ballad... He wrote many....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmqm2Iik48

Sheena Easton sang this romantic masterpiece for a Bond film...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADxDqH_IBw

Now this could be considered a red pill anthem... "Everything She Wants," by George Michael...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_Lwe6p-Cg

"I want to know what you're thinking, there are some things you just can't hide!" "Pure Energy (Mr. Spock's voice)...." A classic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijAYN9zVnwg

Rocky versus Clubber Lang! This song makes me want to go for a run...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcJdMHQM3M

A moving rock ballad... Flash Dance! A woman can be a stripper, and have everything! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JyTxv_mQw

One of my very favorite romantic music videos, with an important message! Tell Her About it! A Billy Joel classic....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0pM5dm--yQ

Got to have Michael Jackson! Always remember to think twice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y

My own parents come to mind as Prince sings this ballad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3VcCAlUgE

"Dearly beloved, we have gathered here today to get through this thing called life..." I love this song, it makes me feel good to be alive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJhDltzYVQ

Van Halen, in their prime... Hot for Teacher definitely caught my attention when it first came out, and it sure fits with these times of misbehaving female educators...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0

I'd love to have seen Roosh remake this video, back when he was the grandmaster of pua! Oh, that would have been so cool... I wonder how the lyrics would have been changed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqbel7E30A

Hall and Oates about setting boundaries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8

Maneater, another Hall and Oates classic. Today, this song could be about the majority of women...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYFKcMa_Ek

Tainted Love, by Soft Cell... Another red pill themed song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcyCQLewj10

Rock the Casbah! I had friends who served in the Middle East, in our forever war, and they told me this was a favorite to play while on the road, as a sing along song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

Pat Benatar, who later volunteered in her kid's school library... I didn't understand this song as a kid, but I do now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo

Duran Duran! This could have been the theme song for this forum, before the change. The ultimate pua song about motivation....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL-lCzEXgI

Take notice of the ghost notes... : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTizYn3-QN0

One of the best Bond themes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJAGgtWwvSk

This song just makes me want to get up and dance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECiMhe4E0pI

A hypnotically beautiful song that is timeless.... Joe Jackson's masterpiece....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJwt2dxx9yg

Oh, Biz Markie, I've been there, too, and I feel your pain!


Wang Chung had two super danceable hits....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNazEjVd6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZttcArNs0g

Jane Child is a goddess! What an infectiously wonderful song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg

To me, this is the definitive 80's tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=621Nk3Ubz4A

Red pill truths being spilled! "You can look inside another world, you get to talk to a pretty girl!" "But don't fall in love, she's a beauty!" "She'll give you every pennies worth, but it will cost you a dollar first!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_k_VG6Syc

An extremely powerful classic about the dark side of humanity....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4

My favorite ballad from Sting, and he such a great body of music... Poignant lyrics about the survival of humanity...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs

A song that should be the soundtrack for a Rambo film... The guitar and drumwork is just incredible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vHbXI2p4k

"I'm sorry baby, I didn't mean to turn you on." I had a friend who was an Alpha's Alpha, and his conversion to Christ deeply frustrated many women who wanted sex with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNa-ReeZc8

A guilty pleasure... I wish I could dance as well as this man! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

"It's a lot like life And that's what's appealing, If you despise that throwaway feeling From disposable fun, Then this is the one."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q

This could be the anthem for the Western women of the world! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9uizdKZAGE

Another possible anthem for women craving validation and control....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4-1ASpdT1Y

No candy for you! Well, only within the bounds of marriage...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs

"One night in Bangkok makes the world your oyster..." "I can see an angel sliding up to me." "I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!" "I can feel the devil sliding up to me..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgc_LRjlbTU

Archer's favorite song! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

A pua tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o41A91X5pns

Could this be a good theme song for the forum?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

Beware of those women who would blind you with science! But considering that not many women get into stem related fields....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k

Elton John's awesome classic about overcoming and surviving! We should have a holiday where all the red pill guys gather together and sing this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

When I actually read the lyrics, this song had new meaning for me.... It is more than just a romantic ballad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOuYquXuuc

A song that only gets timelier with the passage of time. A must listen for everyone... "I've seen the future, I can't afford it!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHhOUYdg2S8

The anthem for Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and the others like them... If I were a billionaire, I would host a party centered around this song, in the spirit of the Great Gatsby! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac

Dedicated to all the former pua guys who are attempting to repent and reform... "Father forgive me...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uastkmSSdZU

What Roosh has been trying to share with us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXSHrhJekU

The kind of home life I had hoped to have for myself. A fun poignant song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXA6CLTDekw

Ending on a note in keeping with the tone of the forum... "I've never been lucky in love, my defenses are down..." "Every day we have been lead astray..." "You are looking for love, calling heaven above!" "Send me an angel!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6WIbx8ysE

I hope each of you can find an angel, who treats you with love and respect.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
The whole metal genre, including "death metal", is satanist.

It's funny, you're supposedly a fan of soral, and yet incapable of integrating things into their historical perspective.
Things are not black and white, and rebellion against religion can mean an infinity of things.

Exactly like religion itself : we have an interesting subset of it on this very forum, and look at all the divergent opinions.
Now try to imagine what kind of societies these would lead to, and ask yourself in which ones you would fit.

I grew up in a very christian country, and I didn't fit anywhere in their system.
That's why I did not like it - not because I had anything against those people, but because they had something against me !
 

ilostabet

Pelican
I think some metal songs from the likes of Candlemass, Sabbath, Metallica or Dio, are more Christian than your average evangelical megachurch singalong. I think the anti-Christian sentiment of metal is more an anti-sterile Protestant nonsense than it is against Christ or Christianity in general.

Ronnie James Dio "invented" the horns symbol by imitating his Italian granny from the old country, who like everyone in her region, did the symbol when speaking of the devil, to keep him away, not worship him. Dio used it like this, and it's interesting watching the man performing live and the times he uses the symbol - clearly in line with what his nana taught him.

I think classic heavy metal is actually a necessarily reactionary type of music.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I think some metal songs from the likes of Candlemass, Sabbath, Metallica or Dio, are more Christian than your average evangelical megachurch singalong. I think the anti-Christian sentiment of metal is more an anti-sterile Protestant nonsense than it is against Christ or Christianity in general.

Ronnie James Dio "invented" the horns symbol by imitating his Italian granny from the old country, who like everyone in her region, did the symbol when speaking of the devil, to keep him away, not worship him. Dio used it like this, and it's interesting watching the man performing live and the times he uses the symbol - clearly in line with what his nana taught him.

I think classic heavy metal is actually a necessarily reactionary type of music.

Yes of course, the guy who was in this band below, and did this album, and whose stage name is "God" is definitely not about worshiping the devil.



 

ilostabet

Pelican
All I know of the guy leads to me to believe he was not a Satanist of any kind. He was a fallen Catholic. He spoke about this. He is a not-so-uncommon result of the era, as is the fact that he considers the Catholic Church to not teach, but rather fright people into believing. This lack of explanation and putting things into context is what has lead so many intelligent men away from the Church. Besides, he was American, which always fostered a myopic evaluation of symbolism because of both its puritan and freemason origin.

Using the devil as subject matter and symbol in art is only a sign of Satanism in the heads of naïve and or unintelligent evangelical people who have absolutely no historical perspective on Christianity or symbolism. For them, the symbols used by Catholics and Orthodox are also signs of occultism.



Oh no, Hans Memling was a Satanist too!
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Memling portrayed the devil, hell as evil and horrible things that must be avoided, not as some kind of gnarly, cool rebel for his vulnerable audience to idolize. This much is quite clear. He also painted scenes like this one, about the advent and triumph of Christ:



...whereas people like "Dio" were paid and heavily promoted to the youth to create more fallen Christians like himself, not just portraying the devil as a cool embodiment of rebellion for clueless youth, but actually making it their whole artistic persona. Satanism is about rejecting God, and becoming a god yourself, hence that "Dio" guy's name, similar to another fallen craven Catholic bitch who usurps the name of "Madonna".

If you have trouble seeing this basic difference, I can't really help you there.
 
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ilostabet

Pelican
I think you're speaking in auto pilot. You don't know Dio's lyrics. They speak of demons and the devil but not to praise him. They are cautionary tales. Same with Sabbath, Candlemass and so on. There are many real satanic bands, but not these. I agree about Madonna, but she is a completely different story, as is pop music (as distinguished from music that is popular, since some metal was quite popular).
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Oh, and you keep saying that Ronnie took the name because he saw himself as God, but he actually took it from a mobster (Dioguardi - and if my Italian is not that rusty, this means 'God Keep Him').
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I am a product of the eighties, and so I will share these songs which move my heart and feet... This could be a good primer for someone born after that period, who is not familiar with it's music.

I always imagine a Klingon warship going into battle, when I hear these songs! ; )



Huey Lewis wrote great lyrics that could be the focus of a red pill discussion on human nature....


The ultimate love song... Oh, Rachel Ward.... Damn....


The other ultimate love song... Well, even if it does suffer from One-itis and the urge to Simp... But most love songs do...


One of the most beautiful duets I have ever heard... Lionel Richie and Donna Summers...


Almost an eighties song! Composed in the eighties, released in the nineties... A good song when your mental health needs a boost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM

Another mood boosting classic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIOJdMdS56k

An Officer and a Gentleman was a phenomena when it came out.... What a film, what a song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrOcrisGyI&list=PLpl0TxcqaUl-nx3D1DYlWRqPv4N8IwMCG&index=15

A moving love song by Madonna.... One of her best....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHutZXREZ0E&list=PLpl0TxcqaUl-nx3D1DYlWRqPv4N8IwMCG&index=6

"Because the boy with the cold hard cash is always Mr. Right!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p-lDYPR2P8

Give it a hundred years or less, and this won't be a song about science fiction...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU

Peter Cetera! And the Karate Kid! A beautiful love ballad... He wrote many....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmqm2Iik48

Sheena Easton sang this romantic masterpiece for a Bond film...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADxDqH_IBw

Now this could be considered a red pill anthem... "Everything She Wants," by George Michael...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_Lwe6p-Cg

"I want to know what you're thinking, there are some things you just can't hide!" "Pure Energy (Mr. Spock's voice)...." A classic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijAYN9zVnwg

Rocky versus Clubber Lang! This song makes me want to go for a run...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcJdMHQM3M

A moving rock ballad... Flash Dance! A woman can be a stripper, and have everything! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7JyTxv_mQw

One of my very favorite romantic music videos, with an important message! Tell Her About it! A Billy Joel classic....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0pM5dm--yQ

Got to have Michael Jackson! Always remember to think twice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y

My own parents come to mind as Prince sings this ballad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3VcCAlUgE

"Dearly beloved, we have gathered here today to get through this thing called life..." I love this song, it makes me feel good to be alive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJhDltzYVQ

Van Halen, in their prime... Hot for Teacher definitely caught my attention when it first came out, and it sure fits with these times of misbehaving female educators...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0

I'd love to have seen Roosh remake this video, back when he was the grandmaster of pua! Oh, that would have been so cool... I wonder how the lyrics would have been changed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqbel7E30A

Hall and Oates about setting boundaries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8

Maneater, another Hall and Oates classic. Today, this song could be about the majority of women...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYFKcMa_Ek

Tainted Love, by Soft Cell... Another red pill themed song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcyCQLewj10

Rock the Casbah! I had friends who served in the Middle East, in our forever war, and they told me this was a favorite to play while on the road, as a sing along song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

Pat Benatar, who later volunteered in her kid's school library... I didn't understand this song as a kid, but I do now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo

Duran Duran! This could have been the theme song for this forum, before the change. The ultimate pua song about motivation....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL-lCzEXgI

Take notice of the ghost notes... : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTizYn3-QN0

One of the best Bond themes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJAGgtWwvSk

This song just makes me want to get up and dance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECiMhe4E0pI

A hypnotically beautiful song that is timeless.... Joe Jackson's masterpiece....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJwt2dxx9yg

Oh, Biz Markie, I've been there, too, and I feel your pain!


Wang Chung had two super danceable hits....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNazEjVd6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZttcArNs0g

Jane Child is a goddess! What an infectiously wonderful song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg

To me, this is the definitive 80's tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=621Nk3Ubz4A

Red pill truths being spilled! "You can look inside another world, you get to talk to a pretty girl!" "But don't fall in love, she's a beauty!" "She'll give you every pennies worth, but it will cost you a dollar first!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_k_VG6Syc

An extremely powerful classic about the dark side of humanity....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4

My favorite ballad from Sting, and he such a great body of music... Poignant lyrics about the survival of humanity...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs

A song that should be the soundtrack for a Rambo film... The guitar and drumwork is just incredible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vHbXI2p4k

"I'm sorry baby, I didn't mean to turn you on." I had a friend who was an Alpha's Alpha, and his conversion to Christ deeply frustrated many women who wanted sex with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNa-ReeZc8

A guilty pleasure... I wish I could dance as well as this man! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

"It's a lot like life And that's what's appealing, If you despise that throwaway feeling From disposable fun, Then this is the one."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q

This could be the anthem for the Western women of the world! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9uizdKZAGE

Another possible anthem for women craving validation and control....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4-1ASpdT1Y

No candy for you! Well, only within the bounds of marriage...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs

"One night in Bangkok makes the world your oyster..." "I can see an angel sliding up to me." "I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!" "I can feel the devil sliding up to me..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgc_LRjlbTU

Archer's favorite song! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

A pua tune?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o41A91X5pns

Could this be a good theme song for the forum?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

Beware of those women who would blind you with science! But considering that not many women get into stem related fields....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k

Elton John's awesome classic about overcoming and surviving! We should have a holiday where all the red pill guys gather together and sing this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

When I actually read the lyrics, this song had new meaning for me.... It is more than just a romantic ballad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOuYquXuuc

A song that only gets timelier with the passage of time. A must listen for everyone... "I've seen the future, I can't afford it!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHhOUYdg2S8

The anthem for Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and the others like them... If I were a billionaire, I would host a party centered around this song, in the spirit of the Great Gatsby! Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBAl9cchQac

Dedicated to all the former pua guys who are attempting to repent and reform... "Father forgive me...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uastkmSSdZU

What Roosh has been trying to share with us...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXSHrhJekU

The kind of home life I had hoped to have for myself. A fun poignant song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXA6CLTDekw

Ending on a note in keeping with the tone of the forum... "I've never been lucky in love, my defenses are down..." "Every day we have been lead astray..." "You are looking for love, calling heaven above!" "Send me an angel!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6WIbx8ysE

I hope each of you can find an angel, who treats you with love and respect.


We have an 80s music thread, you can post to your heart's content about 80s music there:

 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
We have an 80s music thread, you can post to your heart's content about 80s music there:


No need. I think he already got them all here. :cool:
 

fokker

Pelican
I think some metal songs from the likes of Candlemass, Sabbath, Metallica or Dio, are more Christian than your average evangelical megachurch singalong. I think the anti-Christian sentiment of metal is more an anti-sterile Protestant nonsense than it is against Christ or Christianity in general.

Ronnie James Dio "invented" the horns symbol by imitating his Italian granny from the old country, who like everyone in her region, did the symbol when speaking of the devil, to keep him away, not worship him. Dio used it like this, and it's interesting watching the man performing live and the times he uses the symbol - clearly in line with what his nana taught him.

I think classic heavy metal is actually a necessarily reactionary type of music.

I know Peter Steele from Type O Negative became a devout Catholic near the end of his life ("These Three Things" from the Dead Again album speaks out against abortion and Israel).
 
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