The Democratic Party is Imploding

[JCSteel]

I seriously believe the United States and its freedoms and constitution was founded on the pretext of a Protestant nation. Remove that, it all falls apart.

Separation of church and state was put in place because the founders of America were about as removed from the 30 years war as we are the civil war. Religious violence was scary - go look up the atrocities committed in the 30 years war. Sweet dreams guys.

They never intended us to be a secular atheistic state. They decided to put the wall between church and state up because 1. They wanted to avoid factional violence “a la 30 years war” 2. They assumed we’d always have a default Protestant background. In fact, even though I’m Orthodox and believe Protestantism has errors, I would be cool if with legally enshrining it because of its essential character of our country.

Even though it’s loaded with heterodoxy - no Protestant religion - no America. Also, I’m not cheerleading for Protestantism. I’m convinced an Orthodox state would be very different and would possibly avoid ending up in the situation America is in now.

Yes, the founders couldn't have conceived of America having anything but a Christian culture. Arguably it was a Christian country until the 20th century. Had the founders known how much things would change they would have put stronger safeguards in place. For example, I don't believe that they would have allowed the first amendment to protect pornography if they knew that that's how it would be used. Same with abortion. Or single women voting. Those things were unthinkable in the 18th century.

 

[Trident of Disillusion]

Yes, the founders couldn't have conceived of America having anything but a Christian culture. Arguably it was a Christian country until the 20th century. Had the founders known how much things would change they would have put stronger safeguards in place. For example, I don't believe that they would have allowed the first amendment to protect pornography if they knew that that's how it would be used. Same with abortion. Or single women voting. Those things were unthinkable in the 18th century.

Just on the point of pornography, and without wishing to condone it, it might be pointed out that selling sex is the oldest trade known to man and the founding fathers could have attempted to prevent the sex industry when preparing the constitution, not that they would have enjoyed much success.

 

[FrancisK]

Just on the point of pornography, and without wishing to condone it, it might be pointed out that selling sex is the oldest trade known to man and the founding fathers could have attempted to prevent the sex industry when preparing the constitution, not that they would have enjoyed much success.

Here's the difference though, selling sex was something in the shadows, something shameful that needs to be hidden and kept away from the light of day. That is absolutely not the case anymore...

 

[budoslavic]

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Mayor Eric Johnson says on his reason for switching parties to Republican:

"Many of our cities are in disarray. Mayors and other local elected officials have failed to make public safety a priority or to exercise fiscal restraint. Most of these local leaders are proud Democrats who view cities as laboratories for liberalism rather than as havens for opportunity and free enterprise."

 

[estraudi]

Here's the difference though, selling sex was something in the shadows, something shameful that needs to be hidden and kept away from the light of day. That is absolutely not the case anymore...

Help me understand the bolded part, Please.
Women have sold sex and the promise of sex to men since the beginning of time and now in 2023 it's worse because it's not hidden?
When has it ever been hidden? A meek woman never got noticed. They had to put themselves out there to be chosen and it looks like they are still running the same playbook to this day. Something about old dogs and new tricks and what not.
I agree with both angles but not wholeheartedly and I felt like asking. Not contentiously, mind you.

 

[FrancisK]

Help me understand the bolded part, Please.
Women have sold sex and the promise of sex to men since the beginning of time and now in 2023 it's worse because it's not hidden?
When has it ever been hidden? A meek woman never got noticed. They had to put themselves out there to be chosen and it looks like they are still running the same playbook to this day. Something about old dogs and new tricks and what not.
I agree with both angles but not wholeheartedly and I felt like asking. Not contentiously, mind you.

I'm speaking in regards to society, not human nature. You don't feel that selling sex is more out in the open and accepted now than it was in the past?

I'm not marrying a whore, a meek woman doesn't have to put herself out there for anything but to destroy her own life.....which is now seemingly quite acceptable.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Help me understand the bolded part, Please.
Women have sold sex and the promise of sex to men since the beginning of time and now in 2023 it's worse because it's not hidden?
When has it ever been hidden? A meek woman never got noticed. They had to put themselves out there to be chosen and it looks like they are still running the same playbook to this day. Something about old dogs and new tricks and what not.
I agree with both angles but not wholeheartedly and I felt like asking. Not contentiously, mind you.

In the past, nobody was proud to be called a gardening implement. Women would take it as an insult. That’s not the case anymore.

 

[eradicator]

Unfortunately, if you ask a young person what they want to be when they grow up, they now say “influencer like a kardashian”, when they used to say doctor, astronaut, football star.

Only fans is what many young women with no father aspire to.

 

[budoslavic]

In the past, nobody was proud to be called a gardening implement. Women would take it as an insult. That’s not the case anymore.

 

[TrainedLogosmotion]

Unironically, being a stripper or pornstar will be a positive to the dem base voters

Yes, this is seen as "female empowerment" rather than what it really is - demonic sexual slavery.

 

[Samseau]

Just on the point of pornography, and without wishing to condone it, it might be pointed out that selling sex is the oldest trade known to man and the founding fathers could have attempted to prevent the sex industry when preparing the constitution, not that they would have enjoyed much success.

Perhaps you should brush up on American history. Whoring was completely unknown within Puritan New England and, after a few hundred years, was nearly entirely banned in the South as well.

Whoring in America survived on the frontiers. There are many stories of whores who made a fortune out in the "Wild" West. This was because it was out of reach of Old America's laws, and so it could flourish there. This is why whoring industry (aka "porn") comes from the West Coast - a descendent of the whoring culture established in the frontier days.

So your blind assertation that whoring could not be banned is 100% contradicted by history. It was banned by laws, and had it been put into the constitution it would have been banned all forms of whoring except as private transactions between adults done in the privacy of their homes. There would be no open advertising of whoring whatsoever.

One of the chief complaints of the Puritans was that Europeans had become decadent whores. They wrote about it extensively. They started life in America with extremely strong punishments and cultural taboos against that kind of sin, and whoring was basically unheard of. One never, for instance, needed to worry about their child seeing scantily clad women in any circumstance in 1700's or 1800's America.

Whenever you see people say, "Whoring is the world's oldest institution," or "Whoring can never be stopped," etc. Realize it is Satin lying to you.

 

[Trident of Disillusion]

Perhaps you should brush up on American history. Whoring was completely unknown within Puritan New England and, after a few hundred years, was nearly entirely banned in the South as well.

Whoring in America survived on the frontiers. There are many stories of whores who made a fortune out in the "Wild" West. This was because it was out of reach of Old America's laws, and so it could flourish there. This is why whoring industry (aka "porn") comes from the West Coast - a descendent of the whoring culture established in the frontier days.

So your blind assertation that whoring could not be banned is 100% contradicted by history. It was banned by laws, and had it been put into the constitution it would have been banned all forms of whoring except as private transactions between adults done in the privacy of their homes. There would be no open advertising of whoring whatsoever.

One of the chief complaints of the Puritans was that Europeans had become decadent whores. They wrote about it extensively. They started life in America with extremely strong punishments and cultural taboos against that kind of sin, and whoring was basically unheard of. One never, for instance, needed to worry about their child seeing scantily clad women in any circumstance in 1700's or 1800's America.

Whenever you see people say, "Whoring is the world's oldest institution," or "Whoring can never be stopped," etc. Realize it is Satin lying to you.

Actually, I made no such assertion. I merely pointed to the fact that any attempt to stop 'whoring' would unlikely to be successful within America, and, as you note, it was never entirely eradicated.

Passing a law to stop any activity only discourages it by attaching penalties to an act, it never entirely stops it happening, as those who have been caught speeding will no doubt agree.

 

[Samseau]

Actually, I made no such assertion. I merely pointed to the fact that any attempt to stop 'whoring' would unlikely to be successful within America, and, as you note, it was never entirely eradicated.

Passing a law to stop any activity only discourages it by attaching penalties to an act, it never entirely stops it happening, as those who have been caught speeding will no doubt agree.

No, you made the assertion that whoring cannot be stopped, when in fact it was 99% eradicated in the places where laws against whoring were instituted. The only reason whoring spread in America was because it spread to frontiers where there were states without any such laws. Thus, had the American constitution had anti-whoring built in, the frontiers would have had it eradicated and it would be almost entirely absent of a giant continent, as it was throughout the east coast.

You made your response to someone who said they wished the US Constitution included stuff like laws against whoring, by claiming it couldn't have worked. I merely pointed out that such laws did work and lasted centuries.

Legalized whoring is 100% a result of leaders succumbing to Satanic lust. When leaders don't want it, it is very easy to ban in 99% of situations. Obviously adults who do it under the table will always be unmanageable, but this is the mere 1% of whoring that cannot be fully stopped in contrast to the overwhelming amount of whoring in music and entertainment today.

The assertion whoring cannot be stopped is categorically false. 99% containment is excellent.

 

[Aldebaran]

Perhaps you should brush up on American history. Whoring was completely unknown within Puritan New England and, after a few hundred years, was nearly entirely banned in the South as well.

Interesting claim. Can you provide sources?

Although I am sure that it was less prevalent in those places compared to for example London at the same time, to believe that it didn't exist at all seems extremely far-fetched. I will however believe that they hid it very well.

The assertion whoring cannot be stopped is categorically false. 99% containment is excellent.

But how could you realistically stop it completely in todays day and age? You would have to introduce a Taliban-like police state combined with a surveillance system like in China (we have that already I guess).

I guess it could be done, sure. Not sure if that is the way to go, though.

Or maybe we have different definitions of whoring?

One interesting historical anecdote about whoring: In the Polynesian Islands whoring was also an unknown phenomenon before western/British sailors arrived. But not because of puritanism, quite the opposite. Sex was a free-for-all between all adults. No big deal. But when the sailors arrived, the local girls learned that the sailors would often give them gifts before and after sex. And in a New York minute the girls learned to demand such gifts. And so prostitution had arrived.

 

[Trident of Disillusion]

No, you made the assertion that whoring cannot be stopped, when in fact it was 99% eradicated in the places where laws against whoring were instituted. The only reason whoring spread in America was because it spread to frontiers where there were states without any such laws. Thus, had the American constitution had anti-whoring built in, the frontiers would have had it eradicated and it would be almost entirely absent of a giant continent, as it was throughout the east coast.

You made your response to someone who said they wished the US Constitution included stuff like laws against whoring, by claiming it couldn't have worked. I merely pointed out that such laws did work and lasted centuries.

Legalized whoring is 100% a result of leaders succumbing to Satanic lust. When leaders don't want it, it is very easy to ban in 99% of situations. Obviously adults who do it under the table will always be unmanageable, but this is the mere 1% of whoring that cannot be fully stopped in contrast to the overwhelming amount of whoring in music and entertainment today.

The assertion whoring cannot be stopped is categorically false. 99% containment is excellent.

And of course a meticulous record of whoring was kept with all participants keeping precise records of their activities for the benefit of future historians, or are you saying that because such accounts don't exist then it never took place?

No, don't bother answering that as I have other, more productive activities to get on with.

 

[FrancisK]

And of course a meticulous record of whoring was kept with all participants keeping precise records of their activities for the benefit of future historians, or are you saying that because such accounts don't exist then it never took place?

No, don't bother answering that as I have other, more productive activities to get on with.

You shouldn't ask a man a question but then tell him you don't care to hear his answer.

 

[Towgunner]

Indeed, the liberal progressive ideology that undergirds the Democrat party is imploding, and, therefore, so is the party. That being said, it remains far too powerful and even popular. But, the ideology is imploding because it makes no sense. It contradicts itself. You can't say you want to eradicate something like racism by being racist or say you want to eradicate hate by being hateful.

Of course, we can look to places like San Francisco, a very left-wing democrat-run city, and see how they literally created a dystopian nightmare/mad max existence.

Part of me concedes that all this may be true but they still have their voter base, which expands each time an illegal alien crosses the nonexistent border or they'll simply just steal elections going forward. But, I do think it's going to come to a head.

We can say that things have changed vis-a-vis the left, but, that sort of change has already happened. So, that change was then and now there are new changes. For instance, the emergence of a multi-polar world has tremendous significance that we're just beginning to see. Part of the fall-out of this change will include adverse effects on the radical left.

Also, the left's ideology is utterly invalidated and disproven. Apropos to its penchant for zombies, it is, a zombie idea. We can point to a long list of maladies that have been caused by this terrible cult - all of which, so long as its properly marketed, can take these people down. But, among all of these is the revelation of their pedophilic agenda. In short, the progressive ideology has resulted in systematic pedophilia. pedophilia is evil, therefore, the left, progressives, democrats (whatever) are also evil because they conjured this into existence and support it.

Tucker Carlson and MTG have both recently stated that the democrats are evil. Evil is easy to defeat because its evil. Things like castrating a child is one kind of evil and you find yourself wondering how much more evil can it get. Well, when you castrate a child thinking its actually the best thing for him and believe that you are righteous for espousing such a view or, worse, participating in the event itself - that is a greater evil.

Truth to light. Its only a matter of time.

 

[Trident of Disillusion]

You shouldn't ask a man a question but then tell him you don't care to hear his answer.

Indeed, but then again, one has only a certain amount of time available and it becomes a question of whether to spend it on an endless round of cheap point scoring. Neither of us is going to convince the other, so there comes a time when it is best to avoid getting involved.

 

[rainy]

GOP is imploding.

Red state senators vote shoulder to shoulder with their blue state liberal colleagues.

Notice Repub senators from CA and NY didn’t vote for more funding to Ukraine! Won’t do it here but I can easily make the argument Repub senators and congressmen in blue states legislate far more conservatively than they do in red states, despite popular consensus. Because they’re constantly at war.