The demonetization thread (Paypal, Stripe, Visa, Mastercard, etc)

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
So as you know, Paypal shut down my account a few weeks ago without reason and right to appeal. They said the details are "sealed" and that I need to subpoena them using a lawyer to uncover it. In the past several days, two rightward sites had their Paypal shut down:

1. Bare Naked Islam

2. Occidental Dissent

They shut down Daily Stormer a while back: https://www.dailystormer.com/paypal-has-officially-jewed-us/

Their terms of service mentions "racial intolerance" as a reason to shut down an account.

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Do you know any leftward sites that use Paypal who has preached hatred against men or white people? I'd like to bring attention to that. I know that the Church Of Satan has an active Paypal account.
 
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

It's a bit ironic that the left is pulling off the wet dream of libertarian spergs: in order to be aggressive while technically adhering to their non-aggression principle they just cut off all business services to their enemies until they starve to death.
 

PainPositive

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Roosh said:
So as you know, Paypal shut down my account a few weeks ago without reason and right to appeal. They said the details are "sealed" and that I need to subpoena them using a lawyer to uncover it. In the past several days, two rightward sites had their Paypal shut down:

1. Bare Naked Islam

2. Occidental Dissent

They shut down Daily Stormer a while back: https://www.dailystormer.com/paypal-has-officially-jewed-us/

Their terms of service mentions "racial intolerance" as a reason to shut down an account.

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Do you know any leftward sites that use Paypal who has preached hatred against men or white people? I'd like to bring attention to that. I know that the Church Of Satan has an active Paypal account.

Is this a big hit to your business financially speaking or is it just an annoyance?

What advice would you give to others using paypal for their online businesses? I'm asking so others know what to do to prepare for more crackdowns.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Catholic
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Wow Roosh I'm sorry to hear that... this witch hunt is absolutely disgusting!

What payment processor will you use now? I like Payoneer, but it's mainly aimed at freelancing, not sales and donations.
 
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

This is extremely ominous. There is no near competitor to PayPal that I can think of.

For the lawyers out there, is there any case for a class action lawsuit here?

If this expands, you can imagine any user or poster on RoK will get targeted. It's easy enough to track down your details.

I'll gladly donate towards some kind of action to swat this down. I would especially enjoy donating to it via PayPal.
 

Jean Valjean

 
Banned
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

I think this is part of a wider crackdown by PayPal against any business that people could possibly complain about. A lot of the larger web hosts are the same way; as soon as someone drops the dime on you for having objectionable content, they don't even evaluate the complaint's legitimacy. They just send you a boilerplate takedown notice, because they don't want to deal with the headaches involved in hosting a controversial site.

It seems that PayPal also stopped handling transactions for CareerExcuse, a site that helps people fired from their jobs find new jobs. They would give you a fake reference so that you could get your foot in the door at another company and move on with your life rather than sitting in the unemployment line forever.

Some might argue, this type of service helps people who were fired for legitimate reasons fraudulently obtain jobs they don't deserve. Actually, though, most people who use CareerExcuse are well-qualified. Normally, during the interview process, the hiring manager will shoot the shit with you about what you did at your previous jobs and what kind of work you want to do in the future. You won't be able to tell a convincing story in a relaxed way unless you actually did do some similar work as what your resume describes.

What CareerExcuse helps you with is that slight detail of why you left your previous job. This is a much-needed lifeline for those who got fired for some bullshit like sexual harassment. These days, applicants are supposed to have a spotless record with lengthy tenures at each company and smooth, logical transitions from one job to the next that don't involve terminations for cause. Yet, as Andy Rooney notes, "There's something wrong with anyone who's never been fired from a job."

CareerExcuse's explanation was, "We have cancelled our partnership with PayPal, and the reason is quite simple; our expansion as a company is growing at a rate that is too quick for PayPal." But bear in mind, CareerExcuse specializes in spinning negative events as positives, and giving fake reasons for why events transpired the way they did. They even do that with their customers; when they were taking awhile to set up my account, they gave a bunch of excuses about how they were in the process of moving. Overall, I can't complain too much, though, because I did land a fairly decent job with their help.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

PainPositive said:
Is this a big hit to your business financially speaking or is it just an annoyance?

What advice would you give to others using paypal for their online businesses? I'm asking so others know what to do to prepare for more crackdowns.

This is a pretty big hit. It has been stressful dealing with the cancellation. A lot of you had monthly donation subscriptions (mostly through ROK). All those are gone.

I may have advice a few months down the line.

Handsome Creepy Eel said:
What payment processor will you use now? I like Payoneer, but it's mainly aimed at freelancing, not sales and donations.

There are many alternatives, but some are worse than Paypal in how easily they shut down your account. Others have far more strict standards to sign up.
 

balybary

Pelican
Catholic
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

I used Stripe and Paypal for e-commerce.

If these payment processors are shut down, I would try Bitcoins.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Sorry to hear that.

Alipay is a Chinese clone of paypal that would probably suit your needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alipay

BortimusPrime said:
It's a bit ironic that the left is pulling off the wet dream of libertarian spergs: in order to be aggressive while technically adhering to their non-aggression principle they just cut off all business services to their enemies until they starve to death.

Or worse, when you seek alternate means of finance, they use it to attack you. For some strange reason, no western banks would lend to Marine Le Pen's party, so she had to borrow from a Russian bank. Now the hypocrites attack her for being Russian financed.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Looks like Paypal has partnered with SPLC to help them raise money to shake down anyone they don't like:

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Webpage: https://archive.is/qhCuc

This partnership has come after SPLC cried online in 2015 about Paypal not shutting down accounts that it demands: https://archive.is/vcctj

Looks like Paypal CEO Dan Schulman started to listen. Quotes from him:

I believe that companies that have the opportunity to improve the lives of their customers and communities have the responsibility to do so. When you focus solely on valuation and market share, you win some and you lose some. When you focus on the needs of your customers and help them achieve their dreams, you win every time.

http://time.com/4587743/paypal-dan-schulman-social-mission/

Yes, he improves lives and makes dreams come true by pulling the rug out from his customers who have conservative ideas.

Paypal is constantly virtue signalling on homosexual and transgender rights while it does business in countries that flog people for being gay:

In 2011, the company opened a global operations center in Malaysia, where homosexuality and other sexual behaviors “against the order of nature” are legally punishable by flogging and up to 20 years in prison. The prime minister recently compared the LGBT community to ISIS.

In 2010, PayPal established an international headquarters in Singapore, a country where sexual acts between two men are punishable by up to two years in prison. While the government has pledged to not “actively enforce” these laws, LGBT rights groups continue to cite them as a justification for discrimination.

https://heatst.com/biz/paypal-north-carolina-hypocrisy-lgbt-rights/

SPLC continues to nag Paypal, urging them to shut down over 80 accounts: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-...016/paypal-slow-kick-out-haters-attacked-them
 

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Elster

Pelican
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

What are the possibilities of legal appeal?
 
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Damn, wish I knew about that careerexcuse site before I went back to grad school to cover for my shit resume.
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Paypal does business with the criminal, extreme-Left organization, FEMEN, specializing in serial sexual indecent-exposure (and brewing violent anti-Russian racism): https://femenshop.com/

Scandalous that an organization (Femen) that's been convicted of aiding and abetting sexual-indecent-exposure, all over the world, be allowed to use (covertly though, they hide it from their homepage, you have to simulate buying a product) Paypal, don't you think?
 

Mercenary

Hummingbird
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

They did the same thing to wikileaks a few years back, shutting down all the ways they got money from supporters.

I would consider a trial experiment using a payment system system based in another english speaking country.
This could be anywhere from Singapore, to the Philippines, Iceland, or even one of the many small english speaking Caribbean or Pacific islands states.


After a trial run of a few months you should know whether it's practical or not.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

It's places like this that the major battles on our side are being fought; behind the scenes, away from the lights, as individuals struggle with corporations who want to silence them for the great crime of bringing profit to them.

My heart goes out to you, brother, and if there's anything I can do to help, just say the word. I myself had some questionable issues with PayPal a year ago, and I've been loosely considering alternative options.

This is part of the wider dialectical struggle being waged between the established mainstream, and the alt media, over what exactly the Internet is, and how it will be used. I finished a rather long post about this topic just now, but I'm still uncertain as to where it's going to go.
 

Il Bersagliere

Pelican
Gold Member
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

PayPal isn't doxing anyone. If you sell something controversial, link your payment page away from your site or use a stealth approach.

It should also be noted US account s and EU to a lesser extent are the most scrutinized jurisdictions.
 
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

https://revolut.com/

Revolut is a global money app that includes a pre-paid debit card (MasterCard), currency exchange, and peer-to-peer payments. Revolut currently charges no fees for the majority of its services, and claims to use interbank rates for its currency exchange (except from week-end rates when markets are closed, where a 0.5% markup is added to the Friday rate for major currencies, 1% or more for other currencies)

The London-based startup was founded by Nikolay Storonsky and Vlad Yatsenko and currently supports spending and ATM withdrawals in 90 currencies and sending in 23 currencies directly from the mobile app.

The company is based in Level39, a financial technology incubator in Canary Wharf, London.
 

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puckerman

Ostrich
RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

There are alternatives to Paypal, but none of them are as large as they are. Paypal has been an unprincipled and corrupt company for a long time. I would never put all my eggs into their basket.

Who can forget this incident five years ago? Someone sold a violin. The buyer believed it was "counterfeit." Paypal told the buyer to destroy the violin and gave the money back to the buyer. So, the seller lost the money and the violin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/paypal-violin-destroy-return-refund-2012-1

Here are two lists of alternatives:

https://beebom.com/paypal-alternatives/

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/top-12-alternatives-paypal/

I also found another list, which had Venmo at the top. Of course, Paypal owns Venmo, so it's not an alternative at all.
 
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