The demonetization thread (Paypal, Stripe, Visa, Mastercard, etc)

[RBerkley]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

"Relate to transactions involving...the promotion of hate"

Is there any evidence that Southern Poverty Law Centre, Abe Foxman, Hayley Firkser, Jessia Leviere, Home Hardware, CP24, Shauna Hunt, Cheri DiNovo, Globe & Mail, Rogers, CTV, Metro newspaper, et al engage in any complaints to Paypal?

I can see that Roosh could have probably been canned because of feminazi complaints about selling books which are accused of "hate" against women (which is a feminist complaint).

I can forsee that a lawsuit to subpoena for communications/complaints that led to the banning will cost at least a few $50,000 in the United States District Court in the State of California.

But to find out those who probably complained on you to Paypal, they are on your Amazon Reviews, SPLC & ADL websites, or Canadian media. I saw FB posts from Hayley Firkser celebrating that you were doxxed in 2015 after your world tour in Montreal. That was suspicious, or either she is sex-deprived that she turn stupid.

It is disturbing that Paypal didn't even wanted to mention the reason why you were banned & instead "challenged" you to file a subpoena against the company which will cost more than a middle class worker's annual income by far. Sounds like some real SJW pussyness if they don't have balls to tell a user why they were banned relating to financial transaction site.

How will Roosh know if he isn't also subject to some form of "investigation"? I don't want to be paranoid, but Paypal sounds like they would not disclose anything to anyone. That is the scary part.

Unless Paypal is gagged from a powerful organization or they are an SJW pussy I done.

Hopefully, Roosh was given his PayPal balance back rather than it being frozen.

 

[Uruz]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Paypal are faggots in many ways, they are sometimes holding large amounts of money if you are running e-commerce for no reason.

 

[RBerkley]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Paypal does business with the criminal, extreme-Left organization, FEMEN, specializing in serial sexual indecent-exposure (and brewing violent anti-Russian racism): https://femenshop.com/

Scandalous that an organization (Femen) that's been convicted of aiding and abetting sexual-indecent-exposure, all over the world, be allowed to use (covertly though, they hide it from their homepage, you have to simulate buying a product) Paypal, don't you think?

There is that cunt "Spiritual Sexy Tasha Mama" who poses fully nude on YouTube so that she can "breastfeed" her 8-year-old sons in the buff, yet she is allowed to publish such videos not age-restricted.

This is a fucked up time we live in when feminazis claim that "breasts aren't sexual" when they pose fully naked in front of their minor son "to breastfeed" them, yet these feminazis will falsely accuse a man of "street harassment"/"eye rape" when she walks nude on the street and she sees the man walking alone his own business for sure!

 

[Svoboda]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

@roosh
What happened to the balance?

 

[Roosh]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

@roosh
What happened to the balance?

They let me have it immediately. That tells me there was nothing wrong with my transactions.

 

[PharaohRa]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Roosh

The (((usual suspects))), it seems, are becoming more emboldened ever since they decided to go after Andrew Anglin and Daily Stormer and decided to become more aggressive in casting anything as wrongthink as personal non grata and cutting off their access to a popular revenue collection service such as PayPal. This is thus the weakness of having too few reliable electronic collection mediums for revenue collection. Using cryptocurrency wallets as revenue collectors would be advisable as well as seeking other PayPal alternatives. If I knew any others apart from those listed, I would mention them.

And yes, librulism (and virtue signaling) is a mental disorder!

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

I hate paypal. Horrible to deal with. I buy a lot of shit online and they are assholes who are not on your side.

 

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RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

We could sign up a couple of minority males from the forum to play the SJW card and say SJW sites are discriminatory, culturally patronizing minorities, or something like that.

 

[BallsDeep]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

The problem with most of the alternative payment methods that have been posted in that nobody has accounts with them and isn't going to bother using them.

There's one exception, CCNOW.

They take 4.9% which is high, but they accept credit cards and paypal, and I'm almost positive they're the only third party payment processor that accepts paypal payments.

It's where many companies who get banned from paypal, but must continue to accept paypal, go to. The customer goes through the CCNOW cart and pays their paypal account instead of you directly, and then CCNOW deposits into your account. That gets paypal and their bullshit policies out of the way.

 

[Aurini]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

We could sign up a couple of minority males from the forum to play the SJW card and say SJW sites are discriminatory, culturally patronizing minorities, or something like that.

That's not a bad idea at all. It isn't a solution, per se - but it would sew discord and confusion amongst our enemies.

Let the enemy's own spy [PayPal] sow discord in the enemy camp

Undermine your enemy's ability to fight by secretly causing discord between him and his friends, allies, advisors, family, commanders, soldiers, and population. While he is preoccupied settling internal disputes, his ability to attack or defend is compromised.

 

[Nineteen84]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Time to use Patreon.

 

[DarkTriad]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

We could sign up a couple of minority males from the forum to play the SJW card and say SJW sites are discriminatory, culturally patronizing minorities, or something like that.

That's good, but we can go further with less effort. Every anti-gay Islamic group, every group that advocates killing the "unbeliever", every feminazi group advocating violence against men, any group advocating racial hatred or violence against white people, every lefty group advocating violence in general, just inundate them with the consequences of their "rules" till they can't handle it anymore. A lot people have been gliding on a social "pass" on these issues, if Paypal wants to make it an issue, we'll let it be an issue. Try to pick some people they make money off of too.

At the very least, it will help show a paper trail of selective enforcement when we do get a class action against them.

 

[username]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Time to use Patreon.

Patreon is equally bad. They've shutdown numerous people for similarly weak reasoning as well.

What really needs to happen is a free speech alternative for all the services blackballing conservatives. Patreon, Paypal, YouTube, Facebook, all need to have some competition come and knock them off their high horses.

 

[Nineteen84]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Time to use Patreon.

Patreon is equally bad. They've shutdown numerous people for similarly weak reasoning as well.

What really needs to happen is a free speech alternative for all the services blackballing conservatives. Patreon, Paypal, YouTube, Facebook, all need to have some competition come and knock them off their high horses.

Good info. I've seen many 'questionable' Patreon pages so assumed they are more lenient - I guess they take them offline once they gain a level of notoriety.

 

[Jean Valjean]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Patreon is equally bad. They've shutdown numerous people for similarly weak reasoning as well.

What really needs to happen is a free speech alternative for all the services blackballing conservatives. Patreon, Paypal, YouTube, Facebook, all need to have some competition come and knock them off their high horses.

What's involved in starting up a new payment processing company like that?

When I use PayPal, I'm usually putting in a credit card number rather than logging into my PayPal account anyway.

 

[TravelerKai]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

I recently stopped using my Paypal account because they held money being sent to me for no reason at all, then lied to me several times and to the person sending it, about the reason for the holds. I never had problems with them for years, but this year they pissed me off so badly, I switched to wire transfers via banks instead. I just eat the slightly higher fees and sometimes the fees are less than Paypal's fees.

Amazon also cheated me this year and treated me like garbage over the phone.

I guess when leftist companies ran by women and effeminate men refuse business, it will just give others an opportunity. Paypal is a joke now. Used to be people talked about how they were going to be a major threat to VISA or other similar companies, but if they want to get into politics, it must mean their leadership structure is not business minded at all.

Big picture wise, the Book of Revelation is getting to be more true everyday in regards to not being able to buy or sell without the Mark of the Beast. Today it is Paypal, but if VISA, Mastercard, AMEX, and others start going down this path of refusing services to customers for speech reasons, it will push many underground or into alternatives. Trump in office doesn't scare them, they are playing the long game, and 4 or 8 years is not a big deal to them. Once they get a government leader that will let them go wild, it's over. The end goal would be for them to make those alternative services illegal to use unless they follow the same rules. This is alot of the reason why they (the Fed and the US Govt) hate Bitcoin so much.

 

[Nineteen84]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Is this a big hit to your business financially speaking or is it just an annoyance?

What advice would you give to others using paypal for their online businesses? I'm asking so others know what to do to prepare for more crackdowns.

This is a pretty big hit. It has been stressful dealing with the cancellation. A lot of you had monthly donation subscriptions (mostly through ROK). All those are gone.

I may have advice a few months down the line.

What payment processor will you use now? I like Payoneer, but it's mainly aimed at freelancing, not sales and donations.

There are many alternatives, but some are worse than Paypal in how easily they shut down your account. Others have far more strict standards to sign up.

In my opinion:

This is all about PayPal's need for compliance. They fear fines from Financial authorities.

Paypal's goal is to limit their exposure to potential legal ramifications. Using external advisory organisations like SPLC etc. allows them to be able to say 'see - were doing something to combat issues' thus covering themselves. SPLC (Endowment: 319 million USD), in turn, take advantage of the legal compliance fears of companies like PayPal in order to create a need for their 'services' and thus generate revenues. Ad infinitum.

By exaggerating the potential threat of sites like ROK it sets off alarm bells in PayPal's Legal department and SPLC etc get to drum up even more business for their organisation (run by lawyers and look pretty much like law firms when you look under the hood).

Solution::

So perhaps a version of the 'Malicious Compliance' approach is the best game to play here. No need to reinvent the wheel with building new services or trying to obfuscate your payment (at your level they'll cotton on eventually or someone will email them). Play by their rules to the absolute letter and give PP the legal buffer they need:

SPLC are exploiting the ambiguous and subjective PayPal Acceptable Use Policy which states:

(f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene,

The Acceptable Use Policy however states nothing about where a PayPal enabled site is allowed to advertise.

Therefore:

Step 1. Start a fresh site selling a 100% 'neutral'/ innocuous product such as, say - an ebook or video series giving financial advice for people travelling. This is the service/ product you'll be selling, not Rok donations subscriptions. Make sure it is legally separate from ROK etc;
Step 2. Set it up to receive payments via PayPal. Use a subscription or one-off model. Track via basic affiliate software;
Step 3. Advertise it on your existing Kings media properties asking for support in your new separate venture, thus providing a PayPal safe substitute method of receiving 'subscriptions', leverage your existing fanbase to create a replacement revenue stream;
Step 4. Profit (cover costs).

SPLC won't be able to do a thing, even if they try to flag you for review again.

Obviously this won't help directly with the products they now consider violations but will help to reduce the financial burden of the PayPal block.

Payment processing companies are typically not concerned with what you stand for as a citizen but the context in which you use their services and how it reflects on them legally (it's about their legal exposure remember). SPLC etc. only pretend to be outraged because your controversial nature indicates you are a source of potential (indirect) revenue for them. This is a long term setup; I believe companies & individuals such as yourself were fished for a long while back. They then become the 'authority' on the topic and can take the naughty persons list to say, PayPal etc for $.

None of this is personal of course - it's all about money. How they regard you as an individual is irrelevant.

By operating a separate and neutral system such as outlined above you bypass the acceptable use issues and satisfy the PayPal legal department whilst still being able to harness your existing fanbase. You are operating 100% legally and within the rules of the game they themselves laid out.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Sorry to hear this.

On a tangeant, this is why retaining cash transactions is a necessity.

Once everything goes electronic then you can be impoverished at the push of a button.

 

[Northern]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

This is extremely ominous. There is no near competitor to PayPal that I can think of.

For the lawyers out there, is there any case for a class action lawsuit here?

If this expands, you can imagine any user or poster on RoK will get targeted. It's easy enough to track down your details.

I'll gladly donate towards some kind of action to swat this down. I would especially enjoy donating to it via PayPal.

skrill.com (used to be moneybookers.com) More popular in Europe

 

[Vladimir Poontang]

RE: Paypal's crackdown against red pill and alt right sites

Try Payoneer ( www.payoneer.com )