The destruction of modern day women

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Relevant to this thread, I saw a video by "ReasonTV" on YT about "men are falling behind and failing". I like ReasonTV but kind of keep them at arm's length because its more libertarian. I didn't watch the video and I guess that makes me ignorant, but then again, I already know what its going to say.

I mulled this over a little and concluded the following; this is just another "look at how bad men are doing" video. Its far too focused on what's happening versus doing something about it. I feel like this kind of video has been thoroughly covered. This was relevant 10 years ago. Today, we all know that this is happening. We all hear, incessantly about how men aren't doing so well.

As a result, this video is demoralizing, therefore, its counterproductive. Compare this to the headlines in the early 1990s that talked about how education was failing women. Even though none of what they theorized was true, nonetheless, they 1. diagnosed a "problem", 2. Called it out for being wrong and 3. Suggested several ideas and steps to remedy it.

How often, even in our circles, do we see a video about men falling behind structured in this way? That's problematic, to use our enemy's terms. This is what got me hung up on this video. I'm sick and tired of hearing that men are "falling behind". We are NOT falling behind, we are being politically repressed, and it's that simple. Women get preferential treatment from Kindergarten to grad school to corporate boards - that's why men are falling behind. This is not a fair 1-to-1 fight here, this is deliberately bringing group A down to make group B look good. Its nothing to be proud of.

I'm skeptical but Reasontv is pretty red-pilled. I suspect they played lip service to this fact but didn't emphasize the obvious injustice. Worse still, I'll bet the farm they didn't offer and practical solutions.

If we're going to talk about men and society going forward we need to frame it appropriately, namely, emphasizing the injustice and, above all, what to do about it. Otherwise, all you have is one more disappointing video about men.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer

Towgunner

Kingfisher


Its like watching misery unfold before our very eyes. That is a statistical disaster. First, the idea that all these women are having the time of their life and are commanding this and in charge of that, is not true. Its math. The simple truth of it all is that for every VP position there are scores of directors, associates, assistant VPs, managers etc. So even though there are more women in these slots, the proportions remain exactly the same. And even among the women that do get these jobs, its due to diversity. And, let's not forget that spending most of your time in a confining office space surrounded by, at best, indifferent people who'd you'd never spend time with on your own is no way to live. Plus, the fact that whatever chance these women had for companionship let alone a family is long gone. They will die alone and depressed and in pain. Time will tell, but, I think we may never see these people. They'll become shut-ins and bag ladies. Deliberately blending into the background. As this cohort continues to age they'll become invisible and likely in a self-induced state of ostracization. All of it is due to the chance they'll actually see a young 25 yr old pushing a baby down the street, which will crush them entirely.

I struggle as a Christian to feel sympathy for these women, they did it to themselves and had an attitude to boot. I think we all feel that way. But, don't think for a second they're going to be better off. That BMW 3 series, 2 br condo are hardly a substitute for loneliness. And in the end, all these possessions are going to be wasted on a single individual that realizes she never needed any of this in the first place. There will be a great catharsis among these people and it will not be pleasant.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Its like watching misery unfold before our very eyes. That is a statistical disaster. First, the idea that all these women are having the time of their life and are commanding this and in charge of that, is not true. Its math. The simple truth of it all is that for every VP position there are scores of directors, associates, assistant VPs, managers etc. So even though there are more women in these slots, the proportions remain exactly the same. And even among the women that do get these jobs, its due to diversity. And, let's not forget that spending most of your time in a confining office space surrounded by, at best, indifferent people who'd you'd never spend time with on your own is no way to live. Plus, the fact that whatever chance these women had for companionship let alone a family is long gone. They will die alone and depressed and in pain. Time will tell, but, I think we may never see these people. They'll become shut-ins and bag ladies. Deliberately blending into the background. As this cohort continues to age they'll become invisible and likely in a self-induced state of ostracization. All of it is due to the chance they'll actually see a young 25 yr old pushing a baby down the street, which will crush them entirely.

I struggle as a Christian to feel sympathy for these women, they did it to themselves and had an attitude to boot. I think we all feel that way. But, don't think for a second they're going to be better off. That BMW 3 series, 2 br condo are hardly a substitute for loneliness. And in the end, all these possessions are going to be wasted on a single individual that realizes she never needed any of this in the first place. There will be a great catharsis among these people and it will not be pleasant.
They're all waiting til just before the end of the party to get their top guy. But for most of them the lights will go on and they'll have no one. The cognitive dissonance when they realize they're on the steep decline (which they never anticipated would happen) we're gonna see in 10-20 years among women is MONUMENTAL.
 

Enoch

Ostrich
The way these women are targeted might be even more nefarious than how men are targeted. They're getting lured in like a bee to a carnivorous plant, then when they're 40 the mouth claps shut and they're trapped for the remainder of their lifetime.

A more complicated sell, that's for sure.

For men all you really have to do is make porn legal and give them a few apps to meet loose women.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
The way these women are targeted might be even more nefarious than how men are targeted. They're getting lured in like a bee to a carnivorous plant, then when they're 40 the mouth claps shut and they're trapped for the remainder of their lifetime.


The irony of it all is that as these women age they'll realize they don't need a fraction of their money. Think about it. A single female only needs to spend for herself - that's not much. Her liabilities are small. Naturally, the Bloomberg article says this is why they're comparatively richer, but, so what. What I see are dozens of women staring at a big bank account and thinking it wasn't worth it. I'm never going to live long enough to spend it, she might say. I just see this whole thing coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

Hate to make this racial, but, maybe not so much for Black women - they're far too immature to be helped. But, certainly, white women will have this moment. I really think they're going to pay dearly for all of this.
 

Enoch

Ostrich
The irony of it all is that as these women age they'll realize they don't need a fraction of their money. Think about it. A single female only needs to spend for herself - that's not much. Her liabilities are small. Naturally, the Bloomberg article says this is why they're comparatively richer, but, so what. What I see are dozens of women staring at a big bank account and thinking it wasn't worth it. I'm never going to live long enough to spend it, she might say. I just see this whole thing coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

Hate to make this racial, but, maybe not so much for Black women - they're far too immature to be helped. But, certainly, white women will have this moment. I really think they're going to pay dearly for all of this.
They don't need it.

But they will spend it.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
They're all waiting til just before the end of the party to get their top guy. But for most of them the lights will go on and they'll have no one. The cognitive dissonance when they realize they're on the steep decline (which they never anticipated would happen) we're gonna see in 10-20 years among women is MONUMENTAL.

Exactly, to use your analogy, the lights may not be on just yet, but, these women are dancing with themselves and the club is cleared-out. I think its already happening...we're seeing the start of it.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
The irony of it all is that as these women age they'll realize they don't need a fraction of their money. Think about it. A single female only needs to spend for herself - that's not much. Her liabilities are small. Naturally, the Bloomberg article says this is why they're comparatively richer, but, so what. What I see are dozens of women staring at a big bank account and thinking it wasn't worth it. I'm never going to live long enough to spend it, she might say. I just see this whole thing coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

Hate to make this racial, but, maybe not so much for Black women - they're far too immature to be helped. But, certainly, white women will have this moment. I really think they're going to pay dearly for all of this.
In my experience, most western raised white women start to really mature and grow up right about the time they turn 40. I suppose the hormones slow down, they can think clearer, they start to really appreciate men and other people, and they are now unable to have children. It is a cruel fate, and something men should prevent happening to women. But previous generations of men, long before use, allowed satan to once again temp Eve, this time with "equal rights" rather than an apple.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
The irony of it all is that as these women age they'll realize they don't need a fraction of their money. Think about it. A single female only needs to spend for herself - that's not much. Her liabilities are small. Naturally, the Bloomberg article says this is why they're comparatively richer, but, so what. What I see are dozens of women staring at a big bank account and thinking it wasn't worth it. I'm never going to live long enough to spend it, she might say. I just see this whole thing coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

Hate to make this racial, but, maybe not so much for Black women - they're far too immature to be helped. But, certainly, white women will have this moment. I really think they're going to pay dearly for all of this.
The problem for black women is that they're the most disadvantaged from birth on - because the regime has carefully destroyed their communities. The absence of fathers - due to low socio-economic status, the prison business that wants to get as many of them inside or lack of marrige - truly gives black women a very bad start of distrust of men in general, a lot of negative energy, and the need to become masculine early on as there's no man to fulfill that role. Growing up in a single moter home is recipe for becoming a criminal, becoming involved in sex work, altogether downwards spiral, because there are no boundaries and no one to set you straight when you have to.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
In my experience, most western raised white women start to really mature and grow up right about the time they turn 40. I suppose the hormones slow down, they can think clearer, they start to really appreciate men and other people, and they are now unable to have children. It is a cruel fate, and something men should prevent happening to women. But previous generations of men, long before use, allowed satan to once again temp Eve, this time with "equal rights" rather than an apple.
Women start to mature once they start their steep decline. Once she realizes that the decline starts, she gets less attention and her options run out, then she will start to realize she has to make some moves (the so called epiphany phase usually in late 20s, followed by the wall early to mid 30s). Usually early 30s they'll start to get uncomfortable, then by 35 the all out screaming of where all the good and responsible men are will become louder and louder. This situation then is so uncomfortable and dire first and foremost because she had never expected it would come. She thought the grass would be evergreen, the partylights would always be on, the roulette would keep spinning, the options and attention always would be there. Hitting that wall in your 30s, and then having to move your entire world view and habits and manners around quite frankly, while the clock is ticking which will determine the next 50 years to come, is by all means a very challenging situation.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Women start to mature once they start their steep decline. Once she realizes that the decline starts, she gets less attention and her options run out, then she will start to realize she has to make some moves (the so called epiphany phase usually in late 20s, followed by the wall early to mid 30s). Usually early 30s they'll start to get uncomfortable, then by 35 the all out screaming of where all the good and responsible men are will become louder and louder. This situation then is so uncomfortable and dire first and foremost because she had never expected it would come. She thought the grass would be evergreen, the partylights would always be on, the roulette would keep spinning, the options and attention always would be there. Hitting that wall in your 30s, and then having to move your entire world view and habits and manners around quite frankly, while the clock is ticking which will determine the next 50 years to come, is by all means a very challenging situation.
I truly feel sorry for the women in the west. For so long there was, what I would have called, "righteous anger" towards them. Their behavior, their choices, their treatment of men, but now I realize they simply don't know any better. Nature didn't give them a good moral compass, it gave them the ability to have, nurture and raise the next generation, and it is up to men to guide them. And men have failed in this responsibility by releasing women to run wild. And in the end women are hurt very badly by it all. It would be like allowing a 5 year old to choose their own meals, their own bedtime, their own decision on whether to go to school or stay home and play.
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
Women start to mature once they start their steep decline. Once she realizes that the decline starts, she gets less attention and her options run out, then she will start to realize she has to make some moves (the so called epiphany phase usually in late 20s, followed by the wall early to mid 30s). Usually early 30s they'll start to get uncomfortable, then by 35 the all out screaming of where all the good and responsible men are will become louder and louder. This situation then is so uncomfortable and dire first and foremost because she had never expected it would come. She thought the grass would be evergreen, the partylights would always be on, the roulette would keep spinning, the options and attention always would be there. Hitting that wall in your 30s, and then having to move your entire world view and habits and manners around quite frankly, while the clock is ticking which will determine the next 50 years to come, is by all means a very challenging situation.
Living denying God is a life of desperation. I pray they can find a role as nuns or nurses.
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Just gonna make a comment about Andrew Tate since the thread dedicated to him is closed off:

The amount of hate and vitriol coming from deranged, toxic fat feminists and their beta soy boy "allies" against him and Tristan is straight up unbelievable. You don't have to approve of his lifestyle, business or the recent Muslim LARPing, but as far the current culture war is concerned he dropped plenty of truth bombs regarding the nature of modern women and current society in general. And the toxicity I see from feminists lately on social media (although they've always been insufferable) is proof itself of just how far gone many of these women, especially when they would just conveniently dismiss any criticisms against them as "incel" or "misogynist" or other clown world approved buzzword.

Women who have not given themselves over to degeneracy and wokeism (like the lady trads in this forum) wouldn't be as much bothered by Tate's views and actions; at least, they have a better moral ground from which to condemn Tate's prostitution business. But we're talking about the very demographic of secular liberal wenches that are exactly struck by all this alpha male ideology.

However, I also see the necessary for the Tate brothers to become the scapegoat of feminist and soy boy hatred in order to seriously give as many people as possible a wake-up call or reality check. Similar to how the media's attacks on Trump in 2016 inadvertently unleashed widespread red-pilling, or how the incessant anti-Putin and anti-Russian propaganda made Putin only more lionized by many people, both Westerners and non-Westerners. I suppose I don't assess Andrew Tate as a person, but rather in the grand context of the West's cultural destruction via social engineering and psyops.

I truly feel sorry for the women in the west. For so long there was, what I would have called, "righteous anger" towards them. Their behavior, their choices, their treatment of men, but now I realize they simply don't know any better. Nature didn't give them a good moral compass, it gave them the ability to have, nurture and raise the next generation, and it is up to men to guide them. And men have failed in this responsibility by releasing women to run wild. And in the end women are hurt very badly by it all. It would be like allowing a 5 year old to choose their own meals, their own bedtime, their own decision on whether to go to school or stay home and play.
Coddling secular women and forgiving them without requiring repentance isn't gonna fix the situation. Western society in general has become far more wicked than the times when the Old Testament Israelites fell into idolatry. The Book of Judges narrates the cycle of the Israelites being punished for their sins by being conquered by enemy nations, then them crying out to God for deliverance, then God sending out a Judge (e.g. Gideon or Samson) to liberate them and bring prosperity. Then how the nation of Israel would slide back to idolatry and wickedness. And then in the books of the Kings, how the ten northern tribes were finally conquered and exiled by the Assyrian empire as punishment for prolonged idolatry, and the southern kingdom of Judah following suit by being conquered by Nebuchadnezzar (although in the latter's case they repented and allowed to return to the Holy Land after 70 years).

What does this have to do with the present situation? These secular, liberal white women will have to experience pain and loneliness as a means of repentance—that is, if they would even humble themselves and turn to Christ and not only harden their hearts further and blame men. I could only assume that as they enter their 50s and beyond they will try to "disciple" younger women to hate men as a last-ditch effort to cope.

These women are created in the image of God and Christ died for them too, but they're gonna need a bigger and harder cross to bear, and I know I'm not the only red-pilled young (Christian) man who has no intention to marry this type of woman and end up like, what, Johnny Depp or countless other men who had to learn about female nature the hard way.

The problem for black women is that they're the most disadvantaged from birth on - because the regime has carefully destroyed their communities. The absence of fathers - due to low socio-economic status, the prison business that wants to get as many of them inside or lack of marrige - truly gives black women a very bad start of distrust of men in general, a lot of negative energy, and the need to become masculine early on as there's no man to fulfill that role. Growing up in a single moter home is recipe for becoming a criminal, becoming involved in sex work, altogether downwards spiral, because there are no boundaries and no one to set you straight when you have to.
I would give them some slack in this case, since they already spend their childhood in hardship and had to "man up" as a matter of necessity. I suppose they're better in this regard as learning responsibility early on. Unlike many Western white women (and liberalized women of other races) to whom the world is handed on a silver platter and society's propaganda revolves around placating their feelings and giving what they want.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Just gonna make a comment about Andrew Tate since the thread dedicated to him is closed off:

The amount of hate and vitriol coming from deranged, toxic fat feminists and their beta soy boy "allies" against him and Tristan is straight up unbelievable. You don't have to approve of his lifestyle, business or the recent Muslim LARPing, but as far the current culture war is concerned he dropped plenty of truth bombs regarding the nature of modern women and current society in general. And the toxicity I see from feminists lately on social media (although they've always been insufferable) is proof itself of just how far gone many of these women, especially when they would just conveniently dismiss any criticisms against them as "incel" or "misogynist" or other clown world approved buzzword.

Women who have not given themselves over to degeneracy and wokeism (like the lady trads in this forum) wouldn't be as much bothered by Tate's views and actions; at least, they have a better moral ground from which to condemn Tate's prostitution business. But we're talking about the very demographic of secular liberal wenches that are exactly struck by all this alpha male ideology.

However, I also see the necessary for the Tate brothers to become the scapegoat of feminist and soy boy hatred in order to seriously give as many people as possible a wake-up call or reality check. Similar to how the media's attacks on Trump in 2016 inadvertently unleashed widespread red-pilling, or how the incessant anti-Putin and anti-Russian propaganda made Putin only more lionized by many people, both Westerners and non-Westerners. I suppose I don't assess Andrew Tate as a person, but rather in the grand context of the West's cultural destruction via social engineering and psyops.


Coddling secular women and forgiving them without requiring repentance isn't gonna fix the situation. Western society in general has become far more wicked than the times when the Old Testament Israelites fell into idolatry. The Book of Judges narrates the cycle of the Israelites being punished for their sins by being conquered by enemy nations, then them crying out to God for deliverance, then God sending out a Judge (e.g. Gideon or Samson) to liberate them and bring prosperity. Then how the nation of Israel would slide back to idolatry and wickedness. And then in the books of the Kings, how the ten northern tribes were finally conquered and exiled by the Assyrian empire as punishment for prolonged idolatry, and the southern kingdom of Judah following suit by being conquered by Nebuchadnezzar (although in the latter's case they repented and allowed to return to the Holy Land after 70 years).

What does this have to do with the present situation? These secular, liberal white women will have to experience pain and loneliness as a means of repentance—that is, if they would even humble themselves and turn to Christ and not only harden their hearts further and blame men. I could only assume that as they enter their 50s and beyond they will try to "disciple" younger women to hate men as a last-ditch effort to cope.

These women are created in the image of God and Christ died for them too, but they're gonna need a bigger and harder cross to bear, and I know I'm not the only red-pilled young (Christian) man who has no intention to marry this type of woman and end up like, what, Johnny Depp or countless other men who had to learn about female nature the hard way.


I would give them some slack in this case, since they already spend their childhood in hardship and had to "man up" as a matter of necessity. I suppose they're better in this regard as learning responsibility early on. Unlike many Western white women (and liberalized women of other races) to whom the world is handed on a silver platter and society's propaganda revolves around placating their feelings and giving what they want.
True, it's a survival trait for black women in the US, as there's no masculine presence in their life to take that role. So it's only logical and necessary indeed that first their mother takes the masculine role also, and they adopt it. Usually what we see is that when people are closer to the bottom socio-economically, the original natural gender roles are more pronounced, see the Third World but also in Western countries, not only because of religion and tradition, but just because that gives the best opportunity to make it through another day. Black America however is an exception to that rule since their communities are so much destroyed by design, taking away marriage, locking up black men as a business, the lack of opportunity in the ghettos, hip-hop incuding violence and crime, no upward mobility, no access to good schools etc, so that it's a downwards cascade, but without the usual situation that there's a man and woman teaming up to deal with the survival situation, and instead the woman has to do it by herself in many cases. That's the main reason I believe why by design the black community can never come up - because their internal structures even more than whitey have been imploded by design for decades.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Video description
What's the state of feminism in America today? From trans rights to abortion, from intersectionality to beauty standards, opinionated voices from across the political spectrum clash over the most controversial issues facing women today.

Aussie Sydney Watson and the girl in the purple (Pearl Davis) did pretty well against a hostile panel. Some of these pro-feminist women are truly unstable.

 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Video description


Aussie Sydney Watson and the girl in the purple (Pearl Davis) did pretty well against a hostile panel. Some of these pro-feminist women are truly unstable.


I think we have to be fair, and congratulate the producers of this video on assembling an accurate cross section of the women available in society today.

Edit: :vomit:
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
I think we have to be fair, and congratulate the producers of this video on assembling an accurate cross section of the women available in society today.

Edit: :vomit:
Problem is it's too heavily edited to make the debates panel look like good (pro-feminists) vs. bad (anti-feminists).

It would be better if the producers release a full unedited version. Raw and uncut.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Problem is it's too heavily edited to make the debates panel look like good (pro-feminists) vs. bad (anti-feminists).

It would be better if the producers release a full unedited version. Raw and uncut.
I only watched a few seconds of the video with the sound off. Sounds like it would be much worse if I subjected myself to the audio! :vomit:

Definitely representative of the current available female stock.
 
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