The destruction of modern day women

[Blade Runner]

The issue is the overall snowball effect: that is, when you get 1 characteristic it is also highly correlated with several others that almost by definition come with it. This is the problem with modernity and women in a nutshell. As Kanazawa said, time hurts women, and helps men. That means the things men look for are almost all associated with youth. One of the dumbest things as a response to this is, if they're scrounging, the appeal to male attractiveness by the female, pretty much only a modern day spoiled phenomenon. The proof that it is nonsense is that at least the man has tradeoffs. Again, the 30+ woman doesn't have a benefit for all the costs. Especially when the society does not, or cannot do, anything to guarantee anything from the woman. Another one of the funny delusions is the "but he might die" earlier than I do, as if that doesn't happen already or is a guarantee. What's more, the point of the gap is the known fact that the man is eatablished.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

The reality is that men 30+ have a much better chance of meeting a secular woman and converting her to Christ under their leadership than they do finding a young, attractive, single virtuous Christian woman who's been saving herself for Prince Charming. Most guys would be much better off taking this approach than picking through these Christian dating sites, which I hate to say it, but are mostly inhabited by, shall we say, "Christian" women of necessity who are 40+ and/or rather unfortunate looking. Not only are the pickings slim, but the quality is lacking and it's highly questionable how truly faithful most of those women are to begin with.

I challenge single men looking for a wife to start wearing your faith in Christ on your sleeve. Speak boldly and be not ashamed of the Gospel (Rom. 1:16). I think you'll be surprised by the results. Remember, the Gospel message was literally designed and intended to call sinners to repentance. There are many secular women out there ready and waiting to hear it, and plenty of them have the potential to make good wives.

Depends how it's done. If you're just straight evangelizing to women then I'm afraid this isn't a sound strategy. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to be too negative. The reason I say this is because a lot of men aren't that good of Christians to begin with and you're directing this advice at the average Joe. A woman has to be impressed by your character, then you can tell her about what drives it.

We can see unchristian behavior with the "masculinity" movement that has a lot of traction with most young men living in the west, Caucasians included since they're the most likely to be of Christian foundation. The reality is casual sex is wrong and destructive. There is no world where we're going to have men taking women on a test drive constantly and years down the line most of us will be happily married. Unfortunately this is completely incomprehensible to most men, especially young men, as this "arrangement" suits them, it's the women's fault for liking chads, having unrealistic standards, etc. So you get this knuckleheaded approach where we're all suppose to work out and try to turn into chads so we can bang women and have options. How is this going to improve the situation? How is trying to be a slavemaster instead of the slave a path forward?

Well the cope here is men will say we can't control other people's behavior. We can't prevent women from sleeping around, we can't prevent men from "enjoying" women. We can't encroach on their free will. Another enlightenment idea that our kin can't seem stop worshipping. Then you get these imbeciles that believe this who will turn around and say how cool Muslims are. Quite frankly men aren't as smart as they think they are.

So the advice for these guys, the average joe, hey you should read the bible to these women? I would say first you need to show the power of the faith in practice. Be an exemplary man.

 

[adek2]

The reality is that men 30+ have a much better chance of meeting a secular woman and converting her to Christ under their leadership than they do finding a young, attractive, single virtuous Christian woman who's been saving herself for Prince Charming. Most guys would be much better off taking this approach than picking through these Christian dating sites, which I hate to say it, but are mostly inhabited by, shall we say, "Christian" women of necessity who are 40+ and/or rather unfortunate looking. Not only are the pickings slim, but the quality is lacking and it's highly questionable how truly faithful most of those women are to begin with.

I challenge single men looking for a wife to start wearing your faith in Christ on your sleeve. Speak boldly and be not ashamed of the Gospel (Rom. 1:16). I think you'll be surprised by the results. Remember, the Gospel message was literally designed and intended to call sinners to repentance. There are many secular women out there ready and waiting to hear it, and plenty of them have the potential to make good wives.

Christian women are clearly not looking for leadership but an “age attractive” partner.

 

[Roosh]

The reality is that men 30+ have a much better chance of meeting a secular woman and converting her to Christ under their leadership than they do finding a young, attractive, single virtuous Christian woman who's been saving herself for Prince Charming. Most guys would be much better off taking this approach than picking through these Christian dating sites, which I hate to say it, but are mostly inhabited by, shall we say, "Christian" women of necessity who are 40+ and/or rather unfortunate looking. Not only are the pickings slim, but the quality is lacking and it's highly questionable how truly faithful most of those women are to begin with.

I challenge single men looking for a wife to start wearing your faith in Christ on your sleeve. Speak boldly and be not ashamed of the Gospel (Rom. 1:16). I think you'll be surprised by the results. Remember, the Gospel message was literally designed and intended to call sinners to repentance. There are many secular women out there ready and waiting to hear it, and plenty of them have the potential to make good wives.

I've already seen two men completely lose their faith in trying to "flirt to convert" secular women. Most men don't have the level of faith required to do what you are suggesting.

 

[Wutang]

I've already seen two men completely lose their faith in trying to "flirt to convert" secular women. Most men don't have the level of faith required to do what you are suggesting.

What was the cause of these men losing their faith? Was it that the women gave an ultimatum where it's either God or them or they slowly adapted to the secular lifestyles of the women as the relation went on?

 

[scorpion]

I've already seen two men completely lose their faith in trying to "flirt to convert" secular women. Most men don't have the level of faith required to do what you are suggesting.

If these men lost faith so easily, I would say that theirs was never true faith at all (John 6:65-66). But of course, every man must be aware of his weaknesses and limitations. At the end of the day, however, we are called to preach the Gospel, which requires contact with the secular world. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting some sort of shallow Christian pickup artistry which could be described as "flirt to convert", but rather simply communicating your faith boldly and unapologetically more as a filter when meeting secular women. It's going to turn most of them off right away, but a minority will be intrigued by a man who is clearly cut from such different cloth than the rest she's used to dealing with. Those are the ones who have potential. I believe it goes without saying that Christian men should not compromise their faith or fall into sin when dealing with women (easier said than done, of course). It's also probably not something new believers should attempt until they feel more grounded in their faith, as the temptation may be too great for them. It is wise of you to point out that such advice is not a blanket prescription befitting every Christian man.

 

[canuckj]

An important point is how God can take something broken and dirty and change it and use it for his glory. This forum is one example of this. It started out as PUA site. If we go back far enough in some of the threads we find people discussing their lives of sin and depravity. Now they are trying to live a holy life. I am guilty of a lot of the same sins in my past. I really hurt a lot of people.

I find this forum and some of Roosh's articles to have really caused me to stop and change my ways. One article was about a carnal woman who became a devout Orthodox Christian. I think it is called "She Returned". Another thing Roosh said is to look in the mirror. If we were lustful men (now changed by God) can we demand a pure virgin bride? Can a woman be changed and then be a suitable wife? How do we know they are sincere or possibly only doing this because all their other avenues have dried up? Is a single mother (a woman who fornicated like many of us and then fell pregnant) better than an abortionist? Is a less physically attractive but Godly woman better for your soul?

 

[Roosh]

What was the cause of these men losing their faith? Was it that the women gave an ultimatum where it's either God or them or they slowly adapted to the secular lifestyles of the women as the relation went on?

[Edit: It wasn't not appropriate of me to speculate]

If these men lost faith so easily, I would say that theirs was never true faith at all (John 6:65-66)

I'll say that it seems to me that many Orthodox men haven't been strongly tempted by women. They simply don't understand how powerful lust can be until they lose themselves. Many think I'm exaggerating or trolling when I give warnings like not hugging women. It really takes just one glance or touch to begin the process that causes a man to potentially lose his soul.

 

[Blade Runner]

So you get this knuckleheaded approach where we're all suppose to work out and try to turn into chads so we can bang women and have options.

Yes, this was the point by natty or not I linked a while back. All self improvement, in terms of mates (concern for women), does is play into women's hands for spoiling and an arms race where they now get characteristic 6, then 7 on the list. In many ways men are much better than ever before, but paradoxically it means less. It's also two tailed; tons of really above average to excellent men and tons of total schlubs. Of course, women and careers/money makes them largely disinterested in men, on average - until it's far too late and both sexes suffer.

Christian women are clearly not looking for leadership but an “age attractive” partner.

Few submit at all anymore, and most of us go to church for a day and then act secular for a week. When I see the general nature of human weakness, the only thing I can conclude is just to pray for everyone and ask God to have mercy on us all.

But of course, every man must be aware of his weaknesses and limitations.

That's it. Retrospective analysis only matters for the final judgment. Our take on other's faith is questionable, but I do think we can clearly see if they do things in life that show priority and integrity, which is likely the only thing we can rightly judge. Repenting is also showing priority and faith, by the way. But one will notice only few can even change their mind in discussions when confronted with facts and the truth, so it does seem quite rare.

If we were lustful men (now changed by God) can we demand a pure virgin bride?

I'm constantly curious why these simple claims keep coming up, since I don't see, and never did, much of this around the forum. No one demands this, never did. What we talk about is actually what makes a relationship worth it. I don't see much being brought to the table, I think sadly that's also why so many men let their T run amok - they sadly don't see much value so they bounce around doing the stupid things, the only things that are left. It's not right, it just is.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

This is what it looks like when an average man tries to “red pill” a woman. You can’t trick a woman into obeying you, I’m not a fan of the beta/alpha thing but I know which category I would put this in.

 

[Steady Hands]

Guys we found him!

Here's a verified clip of @Blade Runner trying out dating apps in 2023

 

[Blade Runner]

It's funny to think about where all of this goes. The strange swamping effect of all the 30+ will create a whole new, absurd environment in the west. It will be sobering, but the little reality it brings will be outdone by saltiness, I am guessing.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I see a trend where female celebs ''call out'' their (ex) partners on social media. Jonah Hill was another one the other day. So my reading of it is that this is not about the guy ''setting boundaries'', but about the guy being weak about it, therefore not offering proper guidance to their woman, who in orders in typical feminine fashion self destructs. So when I read a message like this underneath, I don't see her responding from a place of being angry that he says something about her weight gain, but she's angry because he's such a weak, beating around the bush coward about it and has let it come this far without having the gravitas to stop her from doing this to herself to begin with. That's the real psychological dynamic that's going on here. Also, by putting these men publicly on blast shows that they made the calculation that they don't fear any repercussions of said men anyways.

So the lesson here is: without male guidance women self destruct, and they'll HATE the men who ALLOWED that to happen. I've realized that guidance - for everybody, men/women, young/old - is one of the most important things in life, but modernity has taken this mentor/mentee relationship away entirely - let alone the male guidance principle in a relationship.

Bebe Rexha puts boyfriend Keyan Safyari on blast for shaming her about weight gain

It’s unclear if the couple, who began dating in 2020, have officially called it quits.

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[adek2]

Basic hypocrisy.

 

[Cynllo]

I guess these can be selected for max. decline, but that there are any girls that are not obviously towards low-IQ that think this is not a good sign.

 

[adek2]

I guess these can be selected for max. decline, but that there are any girls that are not obviously towards low-IQ that think this is not a good sign.

I remember some MTV show where the dude bought an engagement ring at Walmart. That seems appropriate for modern day women.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I guess these can be selected for max. decline, but that there are any girls that are not obviously towards low-IQ that think this is not a good sign.

Women don't have a conception about numbers, weights, lengths etc. So they don't know what a lot of money is, how much things generally cost, they'll overestimate or underestimate things like weight and height all the time (thinking that the average guy is 6 ft plus for example, or that the average guy makes 100k a year, or thinking that the 1% makes 5 mil plus a year). They're not made to have these real world estimations, it's the man's job to analyze nature and navigate it.

 

[Bird]

So they don't know what a lot of money is, how much things generally cost

Tell this to a group of housewifes and wait what happens next.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Tell this to a group of housewifes and wait what happens next.

It's funny because most day to day marketing is aimed at women (one often hears 80% of consumer decisions are driven by women) - but some research shows that they don't necessarily have more debt than men (besides student debt in the US, 2/3 women). I'd say that women probably buy more stuff - but like lower cost things, while men buy less but higher cost/more risk/investment based. And women if they're with a man profit from his finances often as well obviously, directly or indirectly.

 

[Seadog]

Tell this to a group of housewifes and wait what happens next.

Hahaha. My first inclination was to agree with the former.

I can't count how many girls I've known over the years, generally in the 18-30 age bracket who knew nothing about money. They could comprehend a "payment" and if they could afford that, but generally zero considerations to credit costs, total price comparisons, long term planning or value for money. Just a flash in the pan "I want it now, can I get it somehow and still make rent?" No consideration for optimization, maximizing return on money, or potential value in delayed gratification.

Now, on the other hand, my grandmother who grew up through the depression was the diametric opposite of that "We're not getting cheese this week, because XYZ grocery generally puts it on at $X on a 5 week cycle, so we'll get it next week". Clipping coupons, yard sales and thrift stores, saving bits of string, and birthday cards in unsealed, unwritten upon envelopes so that "I could reuse the envelope".

A lot of that filtered down to my mom and myself, who still when she calls talks about crazy expensive groceries these days, but the occasional diamond she found.

To that end I'm not sure it's even necessarily fair to pillory women alone here. I worked in the oil field, made 1%er money before 30, drove an old car, saved tons, and set myself up to never really "need" a job within a decade. Yet others bought $80k trucks. Snow machines and boats and RVs they could only use a few months a year yet depreciated collectively 25k in that year. Oil slows, now they have a bunch of payments they can't make, and a bunch of toys worth 20 cents on the dollar they paid.

A lot of people just suck with money.