The Donald Trump thread

Max Roscoe

Woodpecker
An F1 visa is a visa that allows foreign students to attend school in America. Why would a school process a student visa if they are not offering classes?

The article pertains to online classes only. No change to the F1 visa program, which never offered visas to online students.

Some more disinformation about visas:
Trump also announced he was suspending temporary worker visas until January (H-1B). The catch? The program is operated under an annual schedule and wouldn't accept new applications until January anyway.
 

Deepdiver

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I think that you are misunderstanding me. What does it mean now to be an American patriot?

I can understand an Israeli patriot, a Japanese patriot, or an Italian patriot. These are actual nations of people. I presume when you say patriot, that you are not referring to the old nation of Americans descended from British colonists. In other words, by our current standards you are not a white nationalist, because they are now an oppressed group by the American state. I presume you are not meaning an African American patriot? These are different nations within the American empire. I presume you mean that you are a patriot for the American state, like a civic nationalist. You stand not for any group of people, but for the flag because it represents something. Is that correct?

If that is correct, what patriotic values do you stand for? That all men are created equal? Is that even true? Our system doesn't treat all men as equal, there are clear and distinct legal treatments for different races and sexes of people. Those legal distinctions are only widening. Do you stand for anti-racism (anti-white discrimination), anti-sexism, and anti-discrimination in matters of religion? Are these values that you patriotically support? These are our nations highest ideals presently. In other words, do you support any limits on Muslim immigration to the United States? Do you believe in American exceptionalism? Do you stand for wars in the Middle East? Do you support Israel? Do your support feminism? Abortion? The income tax? Capitals gains? Property tax? Hate crimes? Free speech? Unlimited free markets of labor and capital? The right for everyone in the world to be an American through immigration?

In other words, if we are no longer patriotic for a nation, a people, but towards the American state, then what does it mean to be a patriot now? Do you support the current values of the American state? What values is Trump a proponent of that makes him a patriot but Biden a traitor? These are serious questions for you by the way, not just rhetoric.
I prefer the KISS principle so as not to torment yourself. Keep It Simple Sebastion...

Patriots support and defend the US Constitution and Bill of Rights - period.

Republicans = Patriots

Demonrats especially their BLMpantifa Marxist Communists AOC Bernie squad leftists including CCP loving Traitor Joe = Traitors ...who really do want to destroy the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and overthrow the USA.

K.I.S.S.
 
I think that you are misunderstanding me. What does it mean now to be an American patriot?

I can understand an Israeli patriot, a Japanese patriot, or an Italian patriot. These are actual nations of people. I presume when you say patriot, that you are not referring to the old nation of Americans descended from British colonists. In other words, by our current standards you are not a white nationalist, because they are now an oppressed group by the American state. I presume you are not meaning an African American patriot? These are different nations within the American empire. I presume you mean that you are a patriot for the American state, like a civic nationalist. You stand not for any group of people, but for the flag because it represents something. Is that correct?

If that is correct, what patriotic values do you stand for? That all men are created equal? Is that even true? Our system doesn't treat all men as equal, there are clear and distinct legal treatments for different races and sexes of people. Those legal distinctions are only widening. Do you stand for anti-racism (anti-white discrimination), anti-sexism, and anti-discrimination in matters of religion? Are these values that you patriotically support? These are our nations highest ideals presently. In other words, do you support any limits on Muslim immigration to the United States? Do you believe in American exceptionalism? Do you stand for wars in the Middle East? Do you support Israel? Do your support feminism? Abortion? The income tax? Capitals gains? Property tax? Hate crimes? Free speech? Unlimited free markets of labor and capital? The right for everyone in the world to be an American through immigration?

In other words, if we are no longer patriotic for a nation, a people, but towards the American state, then what does it mean to be a patriot now? Do you support the current values of the American state? What values is Trump a proponent of that makes him a patriot but Biden a traitor? These are serious questions for you by the way, not just rhetoric.
The old American nation had an Anglo core, but was not just for Anglos. Plenty of white groups have assimilated into the American nation. White skin, the English language, vague Christianity, individualistic and democratic culture. Your general Euro mutt can easily fit these characteristics, and people can barely tell the difference.
 

Player_1337

Pelican
Gold Member
A quick look at his method and it seems pretty sound. Remember the polls are BS. The primary results are the real test. Biden came in 5th in New Hampshire.

No guarantee, but Trump has an excellent chance of gaining reelection.
I can still remember the day of the 2016 election. The New York Slimes had Shillary at 94% odds of winning.
 

durangotang

Pelican
The old American nation had an Anglo core, but was not just for Anglos. Plenty of white groups have assimilated into the American nation. White skin, the English language, vague Christianity, individualistic and democratic culture. Your general Euro mutt can easily fit these characteristics, and people can barely tell the difference.
Of course. They intermarried into the descendants of the British colonists, so include them as part of that nation.
 

durangotang

Pelican
I prefer the KISS principle so as not to torment yourself. Keep It Simple Sebastion...

Patriots support and defend the US Constitution and Bill of Rights - period.

Republicans = Patriots

Demonrats especially their BLMpantifa Marxist Communists AOC Bernie squad leftists including CCP loving Traitor Joe = Traitors ...who really do want to destroy the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and overthrow the USA.

K.I.S.S.
The constitution was a document written in it's time for a particular nation. It worked for us. The other nations arriving prefer different forms of government suitable to their temperament or cultures, whether that is the socialist redistribution of the former nations wealth, preferential treatment in the form of "social justice" or Sharia law. By in large, they don't identify with the founding fathers, our nation, or our principles. At the end of the day with that strategy, ironically, you won't even keep what's remaining of the constitution.

 

Deepdiver

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The constitution was a document written in it's time for a particular nation. It worked for us. The other nations arriving prefer different forms of government suitable to their temperament or cultures, whether that is the socialist redistribution of the former nations wealth, preferential treatment in the form of "social justice" or Sharia law. By in large, they don't identify with the founding fathers, our nation, or our principles. At the end of the day with that strategy, ironically, you won't even keep what's remaining of the constitution.

Clearly you are suffering from covid cabin fever and have become a nattering nabob of negativity... There is a Trump complaints and Traitor Joe Biden threads that might help you find your lost bliss. Your sour negative rants here are not constructive. Prof. Norpoth has Trump at 91% winning so tell all your BLMpantifa treasonous compadres America is all good.
 

durangotang

Pelican
Clearly you are suffering from covid cabin fever and have become a nattering nabob of negativity... There is a Trump complaints and Traitor Joe Biden threads that might help you find your lost bliss. Your sour negative rants here are not constructive. Prof. Norpoth has Trump at 91% winning so tell all your BLMpantifa treasonous compadres America is all good.
I have said all that I need to say. I hope for all of us that you are extremely pleased with Donald’s reelection if it comes to pass.
 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member

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A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

July 7, 2020
The below letter will be appearing in the Letters section of the magazine’s October issue. We welcome responses at [email protected]
Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts. But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides.

The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted. While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought. More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes. Whatever the arguments around each particular incident, the result has been to steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal. We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement.

This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation. The way to defeat bad ideas is by exposure, argument, and persuasion, not by trying to silence or wish them away. We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other. As writers we need a culture that leaves us room for experimentation, risk taking, and even mistakes. We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences. If we won’t defend the very thing on which our work depends, we shouldn’t expect the public or the state to defend it for us.


Elliot Ackerman
Saladin Ambar
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Martin Amis
Anne Applebaum
Marie Arana
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Margaret Atwood
John Banville
Mia Bay
, historian
Louis Begley, writer
Roger Berkowitz, Bard College
Paul Berman, writer
Sheri Berman, Barnard College
Reginald Dwayne Betts, poet
Neil Blair, agent
David W. Blight, Yale University
Jennifer Finney Boylan, author
David Bromwich
David Brooks
, columnist
Ian Buruma, Bard College
Lea Carpenter
Noam Chomsky
, MIT (emeritus)
Nicholas A. Christakis, Yale University
Roger Cohen, writer
Ambassador Frances D. Cook, ret.
Drucilla Cornell, Founder, uBuntu Project
Kamel Daoud
Meghan Daum
, writer
Gerald Early, Washington University-St. Louis
Jeffrey Eugenides, writer
Dexter Filkins
Federico Finchelstein
, The New School
Caitlin Flanagan
Richard T. Ford
, Stanford Law School
Kmele Foster
David Frum
, journalist
Francis Fukuyama, Stanford University
Atul Gawande, Harvard University
Todd Gitlin, Columbia University
Kim Ghattas
Malcolm Gladwell
Michelle Goldberg
, columnist
Rebecca Goldstein, writer
Anthony Grafton, Princeton University
David Greenberg, Rutgers University
Linda Greenhouse
Kerri Greenidge
, historian
Rinne B. Groff, playwright
Sarah Haider, activist
Jonathan Haidt, NYU-Stern
Roya Hakakian, writer
Shadi Hamid, Brookings Institution
Jeet Heer, The Nation
Katie Herzog, podcast host
Susannah Heschel, Dartmouth College
Adam Hochschild, author
Arlie Russell Hochschild, author
Eva Hoffman, writer
Coleman Hughes, writer/Manhattan Institute
Hussein Ibish, Arab Gulf States Institute
Michael Ignatieff
Zaid Jilani
, journalist
Bill T. Jones, New York Live Arts
Wendy Kaminer, writer
Matthew Karp, Princeton University
Garry Kasparov, Renew Democracy Initiative
Daniel Kehlmann, writer
Randall Kennedy
Khaled Khalifa
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Parag Khanna, author
Laura Kipnis, Northwestern University
Frances Kissling, Center for Health, Ethics, Social Policy
Enrique Krauze, historian
Anthony Kronman, Yale University
Joy Ladin, Yeshiva University
Nicholas Lemann, Columbia University
Mark Lilla, Columbia University
Susie Linfield, New York University
Damon Linker, writer
Dahlia Lithwick, Slate
Steven Lukes, New York University
John R. MacArthur
, publisher, writer
Susan Madrak, writer
Phoebe Maltz Bovy
, writer
Greil Marcus
Wynton Marsalis
, Jazz at Lincoln Center
Kati Marton, author
Debra Maschek, scholar
Deirdre McCloskey, University of Illinois at Chicago
John McWhorter, Columbia University
Uday Mehta, City University of New York
Andrew Moravcsik, Princeton University
Yascha Mounk, Persuasion
Samuel Moyn, Yale University
Meera Nanda, writer and teacher
Cary Nelson, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Olivia Nuzzi, New York Magazine
Mark Oppenheimer, Yale University
Dael Orlandersmith, writer/performer
George Packer
Nell Irvin Painter
, Princeton University (emerita)
Greg Pardlo, Rutgers University – Camden
Orlando Patterson, Harvard University
Steven Pinker, Harvard University
Letty Cottin Pogrebin
Katha Pollitt
, writer
Claire Bond Potter, The New School
Taufiq Rahim, New America Foundation
Zia Haider Rahman, writer
Jennifer Ratner-Rosenhagen, University of Wisconsin
Jonathan Rauch, Brookings Institution/The Atlantic
Neil Roberts, political theorist
Melvin Rogers, Brown University
Kat Rosenfield, writer
Loretta J. Ross, Smith College
J.K. Rowling
Salman Rushdie
, New York University
Karim Sadjadpour, Carnegie Endowment
Daryl Michael Scott, Howard University
Diana Senechal, teacher and writer
Jennifer Senior, columnist
Judith Shulevitz, writer
Jesse Singal, journalist
Anne-Marie Slaughter
Andrew Solomon
, writer
Deborah Solomon, critic and biographer
Allison Stanger, Middlebury College
Paul Starr, American Prospect/Princeton University
Wendell Steavenson, writer
Gloria Steinem, writer and activist
Nadine Strossen, New York Law School
Ronald S. Sullivan Jr., Harvard Law School
Kian Tajbakhsh, Columbia University
Zephyr Teachout, Fordham University
Cynthia Tucker, University of South Alabama
Adaner Usmani, Harvard University
Chloe Valdary
Lucía Martínez Valdivia
, Reed College
Helen Vendler, Harvard University
Judy B. Walzer
Michael Walzer
Eric K. Washington
, historian
Caroline Weber, historian
Randi Weingarten, American Federation of Teachers
Bari Weiss
Sean Wilentz
, Princeton University
Garry Wills
Thomas Chatterton Williams
, writer
Robert F. Worth, journalist and author
Molly Worthen, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Matthew Yglesias
Emily Yoffe
, journalist
Cathy Young, journalist
Fareed Zakaria
 

Neo

Pelican
Gold Member
That chart just tells me this country is nothing but a bunch of vindictive back stabbing little pussies.
A truly feminized society. Gross.
Lack of social cohesion and an entire generation of weak 'victims'

I mean look at some posts in this thread:

'Donald Trump is a failure, he didn't do EVERYTHING to make my life perfect what a cuck!'

It seems like some people want to sit around and wait for Trump to wave a magic wand or they're not so secret subversives trying to discourage people, probably the latter.

What ever happened to you get what you put in and to pull yourself up by your bootstraps?

I see guys partaking in tons of feminine behavior and that's a huge part of the problem. They want to destroy successful people and tear them down. One of the reasons they hate Trump is he is successful so they make excuses. It really is the ultimate feminine behavior.
 

jordypip23

Pelican
Gold Member
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Stay strong everyone! Some evil demons out there against Trump, Trump supporters and good white people everywhere.
Damn talk about evil. Ultra liberals (most likely hardcore atheist), can't get much worse. This person is a murderer and should be tried for murder. This post needs to be publicized & the Mayo Clinic needs to be investigated if this is true.
 
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