The Donald Trump thread

Pooch32

Sparrow
Politics is downstream from culture as Brietbart said. So our culture is going to have to thoroughly eschew a pozzed consciousness in order to obtain higher standard of living.
Unpozzing is downstream of getting a sane state religion (our current unofficial official state religion is Progressivism), and getting a sane state religion is downstream of getting a strong sovereign who imposes, like Putin, a sane state religion.
 
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Pooch32

Sparrow
He had full control when he was elected for two years.
Full control of what? Trump has been fighting the deep state and permanent government since he took office.

Observe the FBI:
The FBI does not obey Trump. It spies on Trump and reports on him to his enemies. It persecutes his friends.

Notice that the left wants the police abolished. They do not want the FBI abolished. They know the FBI is on the side of the people beating up people in the streets, burning down businesses, and tearing down statues.

So it is ridiculous to blame Trump for the misconduct of the FBI, when he, his friends, and his allies are the greatest victims of that misconduct.

I expect that we will find extensive connections between the FBI and Antifa.
 

estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
To win we are going to need a leader. You go with the leader you have got. Trump can still save us and restore the dying US Republic as Augustus restored the dying Roman Republic.
The bad thing about what Augustus Caesar accomplished is this: "The Roman Empire dramatically shifted power away from representative democracy to centralized imperial authority, with the emperor holding the most power. For example, under Augustus’s reign, emperors gained the ability to introduce and veto laws, as well as command the army. Furthermore, the emperor wielded significant authority over those who served in lower-level executive positions. No citizen could hold office without the emperor’s consent. As a result of this redistribution of power, the popular assemblies that functioned during the republican period became less important and lost power."

Sounds good on paper but who, after Trump, would be chomping at the bit to wield such power and eventually have that power be absolutely even more corrupt? No countrymen would be safe from such a rule. The gov't is therefore your enemy at that stage. Which luckily, by our own constitution we are allowed to overthrow such a gov't. Accelerationists see this as the light at the end of the tunnel, a tunnel many have yet to even enter or are aware that we are entering.
 

Pooch32

Sparrow
The bad thing about what Augustus Caesar accomplished is this: "The Roman Empire dramatically shifted power away from representative democracy to centralized imperial authority, with the emperor holding the most power. For example, under Augustus’s reign, emperors gained the ability to introduce and veto laws, as well as command the army. Furthermore, the emperor wielded significant authority over those who served in lower-level executive positions. No citizen could hold office without the emperor’s consent. As a result of this redistribution of power, the popular assemblies that functioned during the republican period became less important and lost power."

Sounds good on paper but who, after Trump, would be chomping at the bit to wield such power and eventually have that power be absolutely even more corrupt? No countrymen would be safe from such a rule. The gov't is therefore your enemy at that stage. Which luckily, by our own constitution we are allowed to overthrow such a gov't. Accelerationists see this as the light at the end of the tunnel, a tunnel many have yet to even enter or are aware that we are entering.
Throughout history, the normal and usual form of government has been monarchy. Republics and such have been rare aberrations that have usually ended disastrously. Our republic is decadent, corrupt, disunited, and lawless. It suffers from anarcho tyranny and lack of asabiyyah. Pretty much like most republics before they collapse to Ceasarism, external enemies, or internal disorder.

We will be in monarchy soon enough, one way or another way, and the problem then is to make the transition go relatively smoothly, and the monarchy adequately functional.

Let us pray that Trump Senior becomes Caesar Augustus, and Trump Junior becomes Emperor Constantine.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
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Politics is downstream from culture as Brietbart said. So our culture is going to have to thoroughly eschew a pozzed consciousness in order to obtain higher standard of living.
A popular phrase, and completely untrue. Politics is downstream of power. Surely the last century has proved that beyond doubt. Did the American culture change the politics or did the politicians (controlled by the power of the deeps state) change the culture? Think mass immigration, equality laws, affirmative action and deep state subversive media.

Left to its own devices, if politics was really downstream of culture then heritage America would not be facing demographic annihilation and total luciferian control. But we know now that the politicians make whatever noises get them elected and then answer to the deep state, which chooses where the culture will be dragged, by law, at the point of a gun.

BLM riots approved by authorities.
Counter-BLM rallies banned for fear of spreading covid.

Does the media cater to current culture or attempt to steer it? If the free market isn't paying their salaries, who is?

Power>Politics>Culture
 
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@Leonard D Neubache

A true sovereign must submit to God. It is only his submission to God that grants him power in any legitimate way, and performative Christianity is not sufficient for the title of sovereign. A sane, healthy, well-ordered state has historically been the externalization of a sovereign's internal form - as the divine hierarchy to which he belongs becomes reflected outward and grants the proper dynamic of authority and submission to the society which he oversees. A leader with a poorly-ordered soul can never build, maintain, or expand a well-ordered state in any meaningful and long-lasting way, because he himself lacks the wisdom and understanding of the hierarchical structure which is necessary to build, maintain, or expand it. A true sovereign possesses God-breathed Logos, which is manifested in all his thoughts, words, and deeds. There is a consistency, a uniformity, and a harmonious prosody to all his behavior; it all reflects God's will. Russia's recent changes to their Constitution - which were supported by an overwhelming percentage of Russians - are a good example of what this looks like.

Secular "leaders" in democratic societies are essentially empty puppets beholden to the highest bidder or campaign donor; by the very mechanism which granted them power in the first place, they are made incapable of having the will, vision, or Logos to become a king. Such "leaders" are essentially just powerful prostitutes, even if they occasionally take proper action because that's what their donors or voting base demands. The best we can get in America is a leader whose voting base is largely or even mostly Christian, because then that leader will sometimes do good things for us regardless of personal piety or beliefs. I'm certainly glad we have Trump instead of Hillary, as her voting base would essentially be the same people we see firebombing federal buildings and assaulting random people in the streets. And if Trump decides to buck ZOG and submit to God, he could become a king in the true sense. But as long as he's beholden to them, there's a leadership ceiling.

This is one of many reasons why universal-suffrage democracy cannot ever succeed as a political system; it has failure baked into its design.
 
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Rob Banks

Pelican
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This is one of many reasons why universal-suffrage democracy cannot ever succeed as a political system; it has failure baked into its design.
I feel like this is the case for any form of democracy or liberalism.

After all, how long did it take for American democracy to adopt universal suffrage?

US Constitution ratified in 1789. Universal men’s suffrage in 1870. That’s less than 100 years.

Bishop Richard Williamson has an interesting speech where he talks about how after King Henry VIII rebelled against God and the Church, it was only a matter of time before the nobility rebelled against the king (American Revolution), the middle class rebelled against the nobility (American Civil War) and the poor rebelled against the middle class (Great Depression and New Deal).

Democracy by definition rejects God. Jesus is king. He was not voted to be the messiah via democratic process.
 
Trump as emperor or king....hell no. First, a king does not allow his daughter to marry another tribe. A Christian tribe to a Jewish tribe. A powerful king does not bow down to anyone.
Emperor Titus first destroyed the jewish rebellion, then took the jewish queen Berenice as his girlfriend. Why can't Trump be cool like that?
 
I'm watching it now and Nadler just had a freakout over Gaetz and Jim Jordan not wearing masks. They respond by drinking coffee :laughter::like:. When he claims they "can't drink in the chamber" they follow up feigning confusion about who was next to question Barr and thats why they both took their masks off:hmm::hmm:. It's always fun to watch some of our more based representatives troll the empty headed morons.

Now Rep. Biggs just thew an "oh bless your heart" to Nadler after more confusion.
 
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Redcrosse

Newbie
A popular phrase, and completely untrue. Politics is downstream of power. Surely the last century has proved that beyond doubt. Did the American culture change the politics or did the politicians (controlled by the power of the deeps state) change the culture? Think mass immigration, equality laws, affirmative action and deep state subversive media.

Left to its own devices, if politics was really downstream of culture then heritage America would not be facing demographic annihilation and total luciferian control. But we know now that the politicians make whatever noises get them elected and then answer to the deep state, which chooses where the culture will be dragged, by law, at the point of a gun.

BLM riots approved by authorities.
Counter-BLM rallies banned for fear of spreading covid.

Does the media cater to current culture or attempt to steer it? If the free market isn't paying their salaries, who is?

Power>Politics>Culture
Hmm, I have to think about this a little. I’m not sure I entirely agree with this. While it’s true “heritage America would not be facing demographic annihilation” if the elites didn’t want it, that’s still downstream from culture insofar as the culture itself pushes the idea that multiculturalism is the highest good. Conspiracies do exist, but not everything is a conspiracy.

For example, no one forced Ayn Rand to develop and promote and propagandize for her philosophy of Objectivism. That was something she believed in and she wrote all her novels and got them published and they became bestsellers. And many people believed that this was the answer, this is the truth of things, and some of those people became people with real power, like Alan Greenspan. It happened organically, that people like Greenspan who believed Ayn Rand was in possession of the truth conducted their professional lives accordingly. So we have to recognize that Rand, an enormous bestseller, has had real impact on our world - much of it negative (she had great contempt for “ordinary” people, for the very idea of community, and expressed contempt for religion, Christianity in particular). There were positives too, and admirers Ron and Rand Paul are far less contemptible than most politicians - but her impact on society was real, and it emerged organically. She did change, to a considerable extent, the contours of conservative thought and politics.

Likewise, many conservative authors like David Horowitz and Roger Kimball, and even many old school leftists, have bemoaned the Long March through the universities of radical leftists, starting mostly in the sixties, accelerating in the seventies and eighties, and now totally dominant. This was a conscious strategy sixties radicals employed to take power. And it worked. They’ve long controlled the humanities and have tremendous power even in STEM. Many former leftists like Horowitz or Mallory Millett (sister of radical feminist zealot Kate Millett, whose books are the Bible of second wave feminism) have discussed how this was a conscious tactic and plan eagerly discussed in radical circles back in the day.

These people took over academia, used it to proselytize and propagandize, sent out millions of brainwashed students into the world and from there they flooded Hollywood and the media. Harry Warner of Warner Brothers had the motto: “We make movies - let Western Union deliver the messages.” i.e. audiences want to be entertained, not receive some political lecture. But that attitude is gone because of the type of people who now run the studios. But it wasn’t all planned and designed by our elites. Elites were involved, but it wasn’t all top down planning.

Politics IS downstream from culture insofar as culture is what people absorb and internalize. When Ayn Rand did become enormously popular in conservative circles, she did influence and alter the texture, the fabric, the weft and weave of the political landscape, at least in America. Likewise, when the sixties radical leftists took the campuses, they displaced old school liberals like Lionel Trilling. These people were very left leaning in their politics, but they still felt a commitment to teach and respect the traditional classics and ground students in The Great Tradition. But with the radicals in charge, the face of mainstream Leftism has changed. Now they don’t dream of teaching Plato or Tolstoy, their goal is to shove Franz Fanon, Che Guevara, and Kate Millett into the canon - or even worse lunatics. One of the BLM founders talked about how she experienced an awakening after studying Lenin and Mao.

People’s minds are shaped by the culture and literature they ingest during their formative years. And when you have influential people on the right shaped by Rand and Friedman, and on the left shaped by Millett and Mao, that’s a recipe for disaster. And it’s too simple to just suggest that’s all a consequence of elite plotting and masterminding. To an extent at least, it’s an organic process. Just not in a good way.
 
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