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Blitz

Pigeon
That point is whenever a new law is passed allowing federal troops to occupy American cities, and Posse Comitatus is repealed. That's how the rule of law works.

Is it also also "libertarian" to believe that Congress should have to pass a vote and declare war before government can fight other nations? Passing laws is the only reason Congress even exists. That's their sole purpose and function. If we are going to do away with that system, then you are talking real revolution, which is what the original question was posed to prevent.
So the Ninth Circuit, liberal courts will sit those rulings out, presumably. "This court feels the Executive Branch has over stepped constitutional authority in its targeting of American citizens yadda yadda". See the problem that starts to arise?

The point about troops on US streets is that there is no other nation to declare war on, but war has (theoretically) been declared upon the US, its government and half its population. If the President, executive branch and/ or military have no legal recourse to defend against that declaration, and these quasi-divine laws must always be followed...might as well hand it over now and save the trouble. Because the other side doesn't care about rules, laws or the rule of law, in large part because the laws and courts have been stacked in their favour for decades to prevent a nationalist uprising against a globalist foe.
 
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Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
A president that used the military in such a way would be the clearest case for impeachment and removal that the US has seen in its entire history (ignoring hidden actions like FDR's likely complicity in allowing Pearl Harbor to happen as a causus belli).

You're going to have a hard time finding many conservatives that are going to support such a position. The reason the Posse Comitatus Act was passed was due to federal troops occupying the "states rights" former Confederacy and imposing their will.

You'd have better luck (though very little chance, still) trying to convince liberals that we need federal action. In fact, there have been a few who have called for such a thing, and it's part of the reason there was so little liberal opposition to the TSA and other large federal expansions championed by conservatives.

The rioting antifa wing would love nothing more than the ability to enforce hate speech laws and mandatory anal cake baking to rural white enclaves like Vermont and Montana (both are rather Democratic states, by the way, but very conservative ones) through federal powers. We will probably get there eventually, as the entire federal government has been spinning out of control since 1789 so if that's what you're hoping for, just hang on a bit.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
A president that used the military in such a way would be the clearest case for impeachment and removal that the US has seen in its entire history (ignoring hidden actions like FDR's likely complicity in allowing Pearl Harbor to happen as a causus belli).

You're going to have a hard time finding many conservatives that are going to support such a position. The reason the Posse Comitatus Act was passed was due to federal troops occupying the "states rights" former Confederacy and imposing their will.

You'd have better luck (though very little chance, still) trying to convince liberals that we need federal action. In fact, there have been a few who have called for such a thing, and it's part of the reason there was so little liberal opposition to the TSA and other large federal expansions championed by conservatives.

The rioting antifa wing would love nothing more than the ability to enforce hate speech laws and mandatory anal cake baking to rural white enclaves like Vermont and Montana (both are rather Democratic states, by the way, but very conservative ones) through federal powers. We will probably get there eventually, as the entire federal government has been spinning out of control since 1789 so if that's what you're hoping for, just hang on a bit.
Again, do you not see the problem here? If the other side will go all the way but the good guys won't back their car out of the garage on principle, how does this work out well, how is an insurrection dealt with?

As an aside, I get that Posse Comitatus was post civil war; was it some kind of reaction against that? Was the legal justification for the Union firing on the Confederacy based on secession and not strictly speaking insurrection?
 

Easy_C

Crow
The military is not allowed to perform those functions under the posse comitatus act. The military is for waging war only, and we are not at war against any nation. During times of war the president may broadly direct the generals, but not in domestic actions. The US lacks an internal federal military group, and that is actually a good thing.
Wrong. Under the legal precedent set by the Obama administration, invoking “terrorism” allows the president to exercise powers up to and including the assassination of US citizens globally, including on US soil.
 
1/3 of the Mexican population invaded and occupied the US without anyone feeling the need to declare martial law or otherwise deploy the military on US soil. It would be a bit of a stretch to declare it over some riots that could easily be stopped by local police/National Guard if the local politicians wanted them stopped.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
1/3 of the Mexican population invaded and occupied the US without anyone feeling the need to declare martial law or otherwise deploy the military on US soil. It would be a bit of a stretch to declare it over some riots that could easily be stopped by local police/National Guard if the local politicians wanted them stopped.
And there's the rub, right? Local politicians have purposely handicapped police to the point where in some areas they're ceding control to the rioters or mass resigning. At some point, as these actions keep ratcheting up, there's your civil war that the military can't do anything about.

The above post from kosko about 2nd Amendment; sure, Charlottesville guy got 450 years for being a right winger in a car. What will the aforementioned liberal courts do to militia members taking out Antifa with rights-protected guns? I guess we'll see with Kenosha Kyle...

My larger point is just that this seems like a way to lose with honour. "At least the Constitution's still intact" he says, counting down the 736 year prison sentence for fighting Antifa.
 
And there's the rub, right? Local politicians have purposely handicapped police to the point where in some areas they're ceding control to the rioters or mass resigning. At some point, as these actions keep ratcheting up, there's your civil war that the military can't do anything about.

The above post from kosko about 2nd Amendment; sure, Charlottesville guy got 450 years for being a right winger in a car. What will the aforementioned liberal courts do to militia members taking out Antifa with rights-protected guns? I guess we'll see with Kenosha Kyle...

My larger point is just that this seems like a way to lose with honour. "At least the Constitution's still intact" he says, counting down the 736 year prison sentence for fighting Antifa.
Who is losing? The enemy's cities are up in flames. Sure, I would rather it were right wingers setting the fires, but if the leftists want to burn these cities to the ground, I will take it. As the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, the leftist cities have now reached a level of degeneracy and irrationality where they can no longer exist.

It isn't like there is some huge mass of good people in these places being held hostage by extreme politicians and antifa. This is what the local people want. 2 of the 13 members of the Minneapolis City Council are black trannies. All are Dems except for 1 Green Party member. These cities, their government and their voters are deranged. They would oppose Trump restoring order and will vote back in the current leftist leaders or replacements who are even more extreme. Sending in troops to restore order would merely be protecting them from the consequences of their own stupidity.

To the extent there is a civil war going on in these cities, it is within the left. The right hasn't had a presence in these cities for a very long time.
 

Blitz

Pigeon
Who is losing? The enemy's cities are up in flames. Sure, I would rather it were right wingers setting the fires, but if the leftists want to burn these cities to the ground, I will take it. As the Soviet Union eventually collapsed, the leftist cities have now reached a level of degeneracy and irrationality where they can no longer exist.

It isn't like there is some huge mass of good people in these places being held hostage by extreme politicians and antifa. This is what the local people want. 2 of the 13 members of the Minneapolis City Council are black trannies. All are Dems except for 1 Green Party member. These cities, their government and their voters are deranged. They would oppose Trump restoring order and will vote back in the current leftist leaders or replacements who are even more extreme. Sending in troops to restore order would merely be protecting them from the consequences of their own stupidity.

To the extent there is a civil war going on in these cities, it is within the left. The right hasn't had a presence in these cities for a very long time.
This is the attitude I'm baffled by amongst Americans, the 2A types. Those aren't the enemy's cities, they're your cities. This line of thinking gives up a lot of the country and a majority of the population. Have we seen evidence that soft leftists will vote against the hard left lighting the fires? Will the constitution save you when the hard left– bolstered by the soft left– has total legislative power and enacts policies to strip basic rights? Oh but THAT is when conservatives will resist.

Looking at this from the outside it's clear what's going on down there. The hard left is bullying everyone of consequence into acceding to their demands and are facing no resistance in the process. Meanwhile half the good guys have bought whole hog into the Q nonsense, which is most likely a psyop delivered by the same cohort accommodating the hard left. And the other half of the good guys are convinced Trump is actually 5 points ahead when every single poll says the exact opposite in nearly every battleground, and justify it with "lol the polls were so wrong in 2016" (they weren't). You're losing your country and I see nothing and no one on any level of organization willing to stand in the way of it happening. How have there not been massive Patriot counter marches, as a starter?
 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member
And there's the rub, right? Local Democrat politicians have purposely handicapped police to the point where in some areas they're ceding control to the rioters or mass resigning. At some point, as these actions keep ratcheting up, there's your civil war that the military can't do anything about.

The above post from kosko about 2nd Amendment; sure, Charlottesville guy got 450 years for being a right winger in a car. What will the aforementioned liberal courts do to militia members taking out Antifa with rights-protected guns? I guess we'll see with Kenosha Kyle...

My larger point is just that this seems like a way to lose with honour. "At least the Constitution's still intact" he says, counting down the 736 year prison sentence for fighting Antifa.
Fixed it for ya.

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Ivan's thread continue:
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Andrew Weismann wiped two of his three Special Counsel's Office phones. He wiped one by accident. He wiped the other by entering the wrong password too many times. Has anyone ever wiped their phone by accident? Asking for a friend.

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UPDATE: Counting the phones which were "reassigned," the Special Counsel's Office wiped 31 phones before they could be checked for records.
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A phone belonging to James Quarles "wiped itself without intervention from him."
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Deepdiver

Hummingbird
Gold Member
This is the attitude I'm baffled by amongst Americans, the 2A types. Those aren't the enemy's cities, they're your cities. This line of thinking gives up a lot of the country and a majority of the population. Have we seen evidence that soft leftists will vote against the hard left lighting the fires? Will the constitution save you when the hard left– bolstered by the soft left– has total legislative power and enacts policies to strip basic rights? Oh but THAT is when conservatives will resist.

Looking at this from the outside it's clear what's going on down there. The hard left is bullying everyone of consequence into acceding to their demands and are facing no resistance in the process. Meanwhile half the good guys have bought whole hog into the Q nonsense, which is most likely a psyop delivered by the same cohort accommodating the hard left. And the other half of the good guys are convinced Trump is actually 5 points ahead when every single poll says the exact opposite in nearly every battleground, and justify it with "lol the polls were so wrong in 2016" (they weren't). You're losing your country and I see nothing and no one on any level of organization willing to stand in the way of it happening. How have there not been massive Patriot counter marches, as a starter?
When Patriots March it is to do battle with men like me trained by expert combat hardened Patriots in highly effective one shot per one kill discipline to conserve ammo for the next batch of Communist Marxist Traitors.

So when Patriots March we March to full shoot to kill combat against all Traitors including the Mad Max Larpers in the street and their (((Soros Steyer Bloomberg))) financial backers who collaborate with and earn fortunes from trade with the enemy the CCP.

Unfortunately when the time comes for unlimited war against those aiding and comforting our enemies dedicated to colonizing the USA like the CCP commies are in central and south America... It will be a shoot to kill take no prisoners level of intensity.

So Hardened trained Shoot to Kill Patriots like me are motivating everyone we meet of like mind to to get off their backsides and cast a ballot for the US Patriots candidate Commander in Chief Trump before we have to resort to magnum bullets that rarely miss.

 
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Barron

Ostrich
Gold Member
Dear Diary...
What's funny is that Jim Acosta's real name is Abilio. James is his middle name

His father is a Cuban refugee that came over at age 11, three weeks prior to the Cuban missile crisis.

So either his father grew up a hard working American that loves this country, which Abilio has shown the middle finger to.

Or his father is a staunch Marxist and raised a Beta male son that would tow the party line in his media career.

Either way, Abilio The Liar wants everyone to see a white man when they look at him.
 
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