The Donald Trump thread

kosko

Peacock
Gold Member
Then why the economic cheer-leading for Trump over GDP? Corona wasn't what caused the economic crash either. That just helped it along.

Not much from here on RVF, largely from Trump and his POTUS branding, as it is easy to pump up economic gains. Plus, there was a reality where Mainstreet saw gains as well. Incomes were going up; people were starting businesses, more money in the family's pockets. Straightforward metrics for simple folks were improving, so it was easy bait for Trump to latch onto.

GDP =\= Mainstreet Americans seeing improvements and gains, but there is not really an easy way to describe this. You can describe all these things easy if you see gains in the mentioned items below:

Incomes
Tax Cuts
GDP
Stock Exchange
Jobs

These are easy elements people can grasp. Trying to explain that shifts in bond markets, CPI Inflation, or other esoteric economic jargon, people won't understand.

Ex.

Trump: "Incomes way up! Big job growth!"

Avg American:: "Yes, I just got a new job with a good pay increase and my buddy who I play ball with; the same thing."

That is easy for a simple American to connect - no jargon or charts needed.
 

Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
I always assumed that Deep Diver was the underwater version of Slim Pickens/TJ Kong from Dr. Strangelove. (It's the guy who rides the bomb to save you the googling)

Yayhooo! I loved Slim Pickens... FYI that's why high speed fast attack hunter killer Nuke Boats got rid of Nuke Subrocs ballistic tactical depth charges... Turns out we could not out run the shock waves... Too bad as it was a great Crazy Ivan and Commie Jiang attitude correction device.
 

kosko

Peacock
Gold Member
I made my last $100 donation to Trump's campaign to help in a small way fund the final stretch of ads and rallies. Next week I will drop off my ballot at the local collection drop box. My vote will matter little given how blue my state is... but I will due it out of a sense of duty.

The popular vote is still important!

If Trump can get the EC an popular vote then the resistance can all be labelled as terrorists and agitators officially.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
Yayhooo! I loved Slim Pickens... FYI that's why high speed fast attack hunter killer Nuke Boats got rid of Nuke Subrocs ballistic tactical depth charges... Turns out we could not out run the shock waves... Too bad as it was a great Crazy Ivan and Commie Jiang attitude correction device.

Sadly, Deepdiver will have to settle for straddling a Mark 48 ADCAP with a set of scorkls on its way towards a Chinese Jin boomer from the People's "Coast Guard".

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Missing a high-energy rally in Tampa today (158 feet from a polling location, btw! lol), but I'm there in spirit via RSBN livestream and with my forthcoming ballot. I've got ten committals in my extended circle for Trump and working on more.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
How are you going to protest the lockdown if you're not allowed to go outside?
How are you going to build a family when abortion is glorified, divorce incentivized, and immorality is enforced?
And church? If you mean the religion of equality under the banner of anti-facism, by all means head to the streets. If you're referring to Christianity I'm afraid those establishments are no longer open or allowed to congregate.

Get with the times.
This thread is in the context of Donald Trump. I agree in principle on all those issues, but Donald Trump is doing nothing about them.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I realize I am pooping on the parade here, but for the sake of everyone who has this false hope in Donald Trump somehow being a good leader, I think it is best that he loses the election. I have remained mostly agnostic as to what outcome I have hoped for, but after hearing so much over the past few weeks from people who genuinely adore this guy, I think the most helpful thing for the country is to break people out of this delusion with a Trump loss.

I heard someone on the radio the other day claiming he was "the best president we have ever had" and "not just for his personality but it's because of his accomplishments" and I just cannot understand this type of person. I suppose it's the same reaction as those who thought Obama was some utter socialist or something (or on the other side, those who saw him as some sort of amazing progressive genius--true progressives like Glenn Greenwald or Jimmy Dore despise the guy), but with Trump it just seems a notch higher.

I guess we got a tax cut? That's about the only change I saw from this guy. Due to the vast disappointment in him and the lack of any real achievements, I don't see how he would be very different from Biden. I know that seems like blasphemy to those who are deep in the political world, but once you step out of it you see there is rarely much of a political change when presidents change. And the reality is the president is mostly a figurehead or mascot anyway. Trump is really good at that part of being president. But pretending it's anything more than that, or that our society is somehow going to be helped, much less saved by a Trump administration is pure fantasy. And look, what he really wants, if you listen to him, is more power to Israel, more black criminals on the street, and more women in positions of power. Those are the 3 things he constantly brags about.

The guy gets things right here or there, but he is an extremely poor leader, both morally because of his greed and divisive rhetoric, and effectually due to his absolutely horrible choices in picking and delegating underlings. That's really where a president has power (and its ultimately the only role of a CEO, finding people to manage your departments): selecting advisors and cabinet members that will put in place good change, and motivate others to do their job. He has picked the worst possible people, and fired the only halfway decent ones that were ever part of the team (Flynn, Rex Tillerson, Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, etc.) His standing cabinet is among the most awful people in America. Bill Barr is bordering on criminal. But really they all are except maybe Sleepy Ben Carson who doesnt do anything at all.

And for these reasons it's better that fellow Americans who I agree with on most issues must be disappointed with a Trump loss so you can get out of the time sink of politics. There is no political solution to our problems. Democracy is an utter failure. A Trump victory will put these patriots back to sleep, under the false belief that America is being "saved" when instead it is business as usual at best or looting at worst. What we need is people to not be so complacent, and Trump losing the position of US mascot over the next 4 years will get people to stop cheerleading and maybe even stop attending the games. If there's any lesson to be learned from Trump, its that our political system is beyond repair. The fact that Donald Trump can be viewed as a good leader or someone worthy of support just shows how awful politics are, and he can only possbly look good in comparison to a worse politician, the way a can of spam could look appealing next to an expired tub of Cool Whip, but both are fake products that are not good for anyone to eat.

I'm just so tired of the fake cheerleading of non-accomplishments and want to see my fellow man get back to more positive things. Protest the lockdowns. Build a family. Look into the church. But please, enough of this horrible politics. Its fine to vote, or even prefer a turd sandwich over a giant douche, but dont invest your time or energies into it or pretend like one is really great.


I agree with a lot of the sentiment, but we are now in exceptionally turbulent waters with an unprecedented, bold power grab by the globalists in a controlled demolition of the economy, of our freedoms and our health with the upcoming Gates vaccine passport program. The worst wet dreams of the globalists are about to come true, they're halfway there in setting up their control grid.

We really can't afford to have a complete compromised tool like Biden at the helm of the free world right now. As much as I have reservations about Trump, there is a difference and we are now at a major crossroads.
 

estraudi

Pelican
Gold Member
To make more clear what I said above, this election is essentially MSM vs. Trump. A win for the MSM would be devastating. With a Trump win there's a chance some of less brainwashed normies might finally wake up.
Honestly, just turn off the Talmudvision and the Jewphone and literally all of the media's brainwashing will disappear from everyone's life.
This is why his rallies are more than just showing support for Trump. They are bringing people together that have felt we as Americans have been isolated long enough and want to reverse that stupid trend.
The world has shown we can do fine without our distractions from monkey dunk national felon league TV and phone addiction.
Seeing faces and sharing stories is worth more than we will ever know and Trump is the one bringing that about.
No amount of MSM, nagging by politicians/doctors/professors/women, smartphones will ever account for IN PERSON enthusiasm not only for Trump but for our fellow man.
Make America Sociable Again, indeed!
 

budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
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Legendary PGA golfer Jack Nicklaus endorses Trump.

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Dismal Operator

Kingfisher
I realize I am pooping on the parade here, but for the sake of everyone who has this false hope in Donald Trump somehow being a good leader, I think it is best that he loses the election. I have remained mostly agnostic as to what outcome I have hoped for, but after hearing so much over the past few weeks from people who genuinely adore this guy, I think the most helpful thing for the country is to break people out of this delusion with a Trump loss.

Trump's platform consisted of four main themes - immigration, trade, foreign policy and draining the swamp.

On Immigration, we are going to have roughly 450 miles of wall by the end of the year. Between things like the public charge rule, agreements with Mexico and other countries to the south, and coronavirus restrictions, there has been a sort of invisible wall which has had the effect of drastically reducing immigration, legal and illegal. This has mostly been reported in horror by both libertarians as well as your basic SJWs.

On Trade, it is hard to point to anything that is truly exciting. Yes, Trump has renegotiated NAFTA and made some headway toward repositioning our relationship with China, but in the grand scheme of things these accomplishments seem cosmetic at best. We won't really know the impact for years perhaps. What is valuable, however is his rhetoric, which continues to be directionally correct, unlike 90% of the politicians during my lifetime.

On Foreign Policy, Trump has started no new wars or conflicts, has reduced our presence in the Middle East, and forced a legitimate reassessment of the post WWII order. Undoubtedly the best president in this regard of my lifetime.

Draining the swamp is the one area which stands out the most in terms of failure, and the most disappointing since it has negative impacts on everything else. In fairness, this was also the most difficult task because the entirety of the American power structure (multinational corporations, academia, the media & pop culture, congress,the judiciary etc) is fundamentally opposed to Trumpism. I'd wager this is true of at least 80% of the people who make up the "Trump government." Most of the people doing the grunt work are like this guy and not MAGA guys. This makes sense; it's not like in 2016 there was a legion of Trumpist policy types in DC just waiting around for a president like Trump to emerge. The few that do exist were either pushed out or denied entry by the GOPe in 2017, and Trump has been fighting an uphill battle since policy wise. The only bright spots have come in recent weeks, as there have been steps and executive orders carried out that suggest there will be a purge should Trump win a second term.


If you are bitterly disappointed in all of this, to such a degree that you would call Trump an abject failure, I would submit that you do not truly understand the nature of the fight in front of us. It is going to be a multi decade, if not multi generational struggle. Consider this quote from the NYT article on immigration linked above:

"“There’s so much change that has happened in the last four years, there’s no way a new administration could reverse things in four or even eight years,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute who was a co-author of the group’s July report."

Trump's detractors love talking about he has done nothing. Assuming this quote is somewhat accurate, and Trump's "nothingness" can't be reversed in eight years, how much more immovable is the globohomo agenda, having progressed steadily for at least 60 years? I know I classed Trade as a disappointment, but we've spent the majority of the past 60 years gutting our manufacturing base and becoming a debt-based consumer spending economy controlled by hedge fund managers and tech executives. To reorient the structure of production that will allow us to get back to where we need to be is not going to happen overnight.

That, as well as everything else we would like to see, is going to take time, energy and manpower, and the application of relentless pressure, taking in the huge gains and weathering the huge setbacks. And it's not about a false choice between engaging in an uphill political battle or focusing on God, family, networking with the like-minded and so forth. Over time a focus on the latter will produce as a byproduct a more honorable ruling class, but that is not to say nothing can be done in the interim. A second Trump term will allow for the bureaucracy to slowly but surely populate itself with Trumpists, who once in can gain experience, make contacts and form a base of influence in DC that will last well beyond Trump himself.

Ultimately Trump's presidency, whether it ends now or in 4 years, will be a decent first step. Look at the wall for example. It is not what we were imagining in 2016. But it is a tangible improvement and it will deter border crossings. More importantly, it can be added to. Who is to say that the wall is not augmented as a part of some grand infrastructure project at some point down the line? The same for the other aspects of the Trump agenda. Vote Trump, then do whatever you can in your daily life that pushes the ball down the road. Could be as simple as shitposting on Twitter or as consequential as raising a family in a Godly manner. It all helps.
 
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