The Donald Trump thread

FrancisK

Kingfisher
Gold Member
If Trump had taken 10 seconds before his presidency was finished to simply say
"Q-anon is BS...don't believe that crap"

Then I would have at least respected him for caring out for his base.
The fact that he NEVER said anything like this once, is one of the biggest clues he's nothing more than controlled opposition.

You wanted the president of the United States of America the most powerful man on earth to public perception and the leader of the free world to have a serious conversation about some hair brained internet half a nut job garbage Q crap? Why because you fell for it?

That’s a joke…….right?
 

YoungColonial27

Robin
Orthodox
You wanted the president of the United States of America the most powerful man on earth to public perception and the leader of the free world to have a serious conversation about some hair brained internet half a nut job garbage Q crap? Why because you fell for it?

That’s a joke…….right?

Where would he have done that anyway? On Twitter? Telephone?
 

lskdfjldsf

Pelican
Orthodox Catechumen
Gold Member
Trump was asked about Q point-blank in interviews and in presidential debates ("Is going after pedophiles such a bad thing?" etc.) He waffled around the subject and never denied it. Separately, he made an effort at rallies to point out Q shirts, signs, etc. which most reasonable supporters interpreted as tacit endorsement.

He's a world class, grifting opportunist and saw the Q garbage as nothing more than a tool to motivate his base. I admire his pragmatism -- it's not easy wrangling factions together under one tent who are often diametrically opposed to each other -- but it was motivated by selfishness and ultimately hurt his most loyal supporters. Half are digging in even deeper into counterproductive conspiracies, the other half are so demoralized they'll probably never believe anything again.
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I wish we could stop with the "cross the Rubicon" line. Half the country hates each other and the corruption in DC is of the sort where it's hard to tell who the true patriots are. Trump did a terrific job as President considering what he was up against.

We ourselves can barely agree on much. Wait until Desantis is President one day. He will be ripped to shreds on this site and he's one of us. I've already been banned here for 7 days here defending him. There's just no pleasing some of you guys.
 

Caduceus

Pelican
You wanted the president of the United States of America the most powerful man on earth to public perception and the leader of the free world to have a serious conversation about some hair brained internet half a nut job garbage Q crap? Why because you fell for it?

That’s a joke…….right?

Check my posting history on this forum since I signed up. I never once endorsed anything Q related.
In fact I started calling out members who promoted that crap....especially Deepdiver.

It was a very sophisticated psyop and that fact that Trump never once called it out shows that he either tacitly endorsed it, or was fully or partly responsible for it.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member

"Russiagate In A Nutshell": Glenn Greenwald Breaks Down Significance Of Expected Indictment Against Hillary Clinton Lawyer​

Special counsel John Durham is reportedly seeking a grand jury indictment against to indict an attorney reportedly representing Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for peddling a fake story in 2016 that the Trump campaign was using a secret server to communicate with a Russian bank - a lie promoted by Hillary Clinton herself right before the 2016 US election.

According to the Washington Post, Michael Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer and partner at Perkins Coie, pushed the theory that computer scientists had discovered secret server connections between Trump and Alfa Bank - an allegation which was then amplified through left-wing media chambers (such as Slate) as part of their ongoing full-court press against Trump.

The NYT reports that Durham - the special counsel appointed by former President Trump to scrutinize the FBI's Russia investigation - will charge Sussmann with lying to the FBI.

The case against Mr. Sussmann centers on the question of who his client was when he conveyed certain suspicions about Mr. Trump and Russia to the F.B.I. in September 2016. Among other things, investigators have examined whether Mr. Sussmann was secretly working for the Clinton campaign — which he denies.
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The accusation against Mr. Sussmann focuses on a meeting he had on Sept. 19, 2016, with James A. Baker, who was the F.B.I.’s top lawyer at the time, according to the people familiar with the matter. They spoke on condition of anonymity.

Because of a five-year statute of limitations for such cases, Mr. Durham has a deadline of this weekend to bring a charge over activity from that date.

At the meeting, Mr. Sussmann relayed data and analysis from cybersecurity researchers who thought that odd internet data might be evidence of a covert communications channel between computer servers associated with the Trump Organization and with Alfa Bank, a Kremlin-linked Russian financial institution. -NYT


Breaking down news of the indictment is journalist and attorney Glenn Greenwald.




And as attorney Nicholas Devyatkin notes, "Elias has completely reinvented himself as some voting rights advocate. See how MSNBC covers him without disclosing his very recent role as general counsel to the Clinton Campaign and his role in commissioning the Steele Dossier."


As the Daily Caller noted in April 2020, Sussmann "set off a chain of events that led to Steele publishing a Sept. 14, 2016 memo accusing the founders of the bank, Alfa Bank, of having “illicit” ties to Vladimir Putin," before meeting with former UK spy Christopher Steele of bullshit 'dossier' infamy.

A week after Steele wrote that memo, he had another meeting with Sussmann’s colleague, Marc Elias, according to the transcript.

Steele disclosed the previously unreported meetings with Sussmann and Elias during testimony in a defamation lawsuit filed against him by the Alfa Bank founders, the transcript shows.

Steele’s testimony about Sussmann and Elias provides insight into how deeply involved the two lawyers were in the Trump investigation, and suggests they helped shape Steele’s investigation into possible Russian interference in the 2016 election. -DCNF


"I’m very clear is that the first person that ever mentioned the Trump server issue, Alfa server issue, was Mr. Sussman [sic]," Steele told Allfa Bank lawyer Hugh Tomlinson according to a March 2020 transcript. Steele then said that Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson instructed him to write a report about Alfa bank based on Sussmann's fabrication.

"I was given the instruction sometime after that meeting by Mr. Simpson," said Steele, adding that Simpson's instruction "was absolutely, definitely linked to the server issue."

As the Caller further noted at the time, "Sussmann shopped the allegations about the Alfa Bank computer servers around to others besides Steele, including to journalists and the FBI’s top lawyer."


For those who were unaware, DNC lawyer (((Marc Elias))) left Perkins Coie Law firm last month ahead of the Durham Report.


 

Cartographer

Pelican
Gold Member
He's a world class, grifting opportunist
^America's politicians since at least the 1820s.

Also, Trump was looking for allies almost anywhere. He waffled about every group that seemed supportive until he knew it wasn't. And if wrangling the factions is difficult, which i agree it is, then it makes sense there would be some mistakes, collateral damage, etc. There's no way a Presidential campaign will never hurt someone, the whole nature of our system is based on the idea that men are selfish, not altruists.

It's the commies spreading this idea for the past 100 years or so that our politicians are saints.
 
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FrancisK

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Check my posting history on this forum since I signed up. I never once endorsed anything Q related.
In fact I started calling out members who promoted that crap....especially Deepdiver.

It was a very sophisticated psyop and that fact that Trump never once called it out shows that he either tacitly endorsed it, or was fully or partly responsible for it.

Or that he knew he would lose votes if he went either way on it. Sometimes things are just on the surface, it’s not always a psyop or whatever crazy crap…
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Gold Member
On this day in 1978 Battlestar Galactica and the story of the "rag tag fugitive fleet" was born. Which reminded me that we on this site (as represented in this thread) are the 'rag tag fugitive fleet and remains of the Alt-Right. To me, the Alt-Right was an amalgamation of disparate groups that united to elect Donald Trump. From page one to present day, this thread is like a time capsule that chronicles the rise and fall of the Alt-Right. What a ride it's been on this site since I joined in 2013. From "where is the pet store" to Orthodox Christianity, nobody could have predicted the trajectory of this site. I love you guys!

Pepe will return. Covfefe!
 

Dusty

Peacock
Gold Member

Trump said Jared Kushner was 'more loyal to Israel than the US,' employing the dual loyalty trope against his Jewish son-in-law: book​


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The Washington Post reported that Trump after a phone call with Jewish lawmakers said Jews "stick together" and "are only in it for themselves."

Wheres the lie?
 
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Cartographer

Pelican
Gold Member

Trump said Jared Kushner was 'more loyal to Israel than the US,' employing the dual loyalty trope against his Jewish son-in-law: book​


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The Washington Post reported that Trump after a phone call with Jewish lawmakers said Jews "stick together" and "are only in it for themselves."

Wheres the lie?
Really reaching and doublespeaking in that article to say...actually nothing. But it seems like it says something.
 
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