The Donald Trump thread

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
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get2choppaaa

Crow
Orthodox
He won't, and even in the unlikely event he is, no one will care anymore.


People never seem to learn that Trump is the all time king of the nothing burger.


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I dont know.... they did raid his house.

They event went through Milania's panty drawer.... bunch of perverts.


The ((( Administration ))) seems really really keen on overplaying their hand.
 

Aloha50

Robin
Protestant
I hear you both...

But I'm still going to support the guy that is first on pushing these things overtly and at the vanguard of the argument.

Everything everyone else says is just riding coat tails and playing catch up.
I give credit to Trump for carrying water for anti internationalist ideals. He certainly wasn't the first, Pat Buchannan was a better Trump before Trump and if we would have made him the GOP nominee in 92 or 96, this country would be radically different, saved perhaps. At a minimum there would be 20 million plus less illegals. So credit to Trump, but he's 76 and apparently (judging by actions the last 6 months or so) has learned nothing from his first term, as far as I can tell. If I believed he would go 'Dark MAGA' I'd buy in, but I don't.
 

the high

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I've mostly bowed out of politics after the 2020 election, can someone give me a qrd on what pretense Trump is supposedly being arrested? Does it have to do with the Jan 6th "terrorist attacks"?
 

Sandalwood Peak

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
If this arrest doesn't happen on Tuesday, Trump after soliciting donations and encouraging protests will look really bad. Drama queen like.
Doing huge rallies, talking about cleaning the swamp and then shilling reagonomics and vaccines in office looked pretty bad too. The guy is his own worst enemy. If he actually behaved like a man of integrity people would still have a soft spot for him even though he's out of the limelight. There's plenty of men past their prime who are treated with respect just for their accomplishments. Instead his supporters are only interested in reliving the feeling of having "their guy" in office. Too many sour feelings to do anything more. A big indictment against his character if you ask me.
 
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eradicator

Crow
Agnostic
Gold Member
I give credit to Trump for carrying water for anti internationalist ideals. He certainly wasn't the first, Pat Buchannan was a better Trump before Trump and if we would have made him the GOP nominee in 92 or 96, this country would be radically different, saved perhaps.

You think pat Buchanan or Donald Trump can save us from Zionist billionaires and globo homo?! The only thing that could maybe save us from Zionist billionaires, is maybe *MAYBE* if they call run out of money or have serious infighting
 

Rogue Statistician

Robin
Protestant
I've mostly bowed out of politics after the 2020 election, can someone give me a qrd on what pretense Trump is supposedly being arrested? Does it have to do with the Jan 6th "terrorist attacks"?
A New York prosecutor, I believe it was their AG, apparently reached out to the Trump team regarding his arrest and or turning himself in on nebulous campaign finance charges.

I'm personally confused on the charges that the prosecution is bringing because I have seen contradicting information, but there are two main points I see repeated ad nauseum.

  1. Campaign Finance violation related to the money given to professional harlot Stormy Daniels
  2. A rehashing to the J6 charade where they are trying to "prove" obstruction or defrauding of the US Government

On point (1) above it would appear that State level charges are being used to indict based on Federal laws that the DOJ itself refused to pursue.

On point (2), I'm just assuming are political retribution for the Congressional Republicans giving the J6 tapes to Tucker Carlson. The initial sets of hearings failed, so the Leftists are simply trying to keep the J6 boogeyman in the ether.
 

Gimlet

Pelican
I've mostly bowed out of politics after the 2020 election, can someone give me a qrd on what pretense Trump is supposedly being arrested? Does it have to do with the Jan 6th "terrorist attacks"?
When Trump reimbursed Cohen for money paid to Stormy Daniels, he booked the payment in his accounting records as "legal fees". This was not actually a legal fee, and it is misdemeanor to lie on your tax filings in this way.

The media is deliberately being vague so people don't realize how stupid this is.
 
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get2choppaaa

Crow
Orthodox
When Trump reimbursed Cohen for money paid to Stormy Daniels, he booked the payment in his accounting records as "legal fees". This was not actually a legal fee, and it is misdemeanor to lie on your tax filings in this way.

The media is deliberately being vague so people don't realize how stupid this is.
My understanding is that since it's an NDA, Cohen paid Horseface and Trump can't have an acknowledgement of the NDAs existence with out violating it.

What should be have filed it under? I honestly don't know, "discretionary legal action for risk mitigation?' NDAs are drafted and paid for all sorts of things at that level because it's usually easier to have the NDA drawn and done than it is to deal with the headache of proving the claimant wrong or going through the public scandal.

Also, Trump wouldn't be filing his taxes... He's got a firm to do all that. So it's doubly retarded and deceptive.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
Wonder why he didn't do that in his first four years? Instead we got:

Bolton
Milley
Esper
Wray
McMaster
Barr
Pence
Grenell (homo)

In fact, was there any member of the swamp removed? Any draining at all?

Because Trump tried to use diplomacy to get quick results with the establishment. He would give them some of what they wanted, and in return Trump expected them to compromise. Instead they just backstabbed and tried to impeach him twice.

Trump is no different than Putin in this regard. Like Putin, who tried diplomacy with the West, Trump is now giving up on diplomacy and instead going scorched earth. I know we all believe Trump should have done this on day 1, but ultimately Trump needed to bring over a ton of normies by showing them just how rotten everything was, just like Putin brought over normie Russians into hating the west.

People in the hardcore right forget that not everyone thinks like them. Honestly, the way Trump was cheated in 2020 may actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the right in the long run. It really has gotten everyone on board with just firing everyone in DC now. Trump could not have done that in 2016, now probably 60% of the Republican party wants a total purge of DC. 20% don't care, and 20% hate Trump.

But I digress, Trump could not have gone scorched earth in 2016 because the public wasn't ready for it. Now they are, because Trump has maintained the moral high ground (just like Putin did) to justify future retaliation.
 

scorpion

Pelican
Gold Member
Because Trump tried to use diplomacy to get quick results with the establishment. He would give them some of what they wanted, and in return Trump expected them to compromise. Instead they just backstabbed and tried to impeach him twice.

Trump is no different than Putin in this regard. Like Putin, who tried diplomacy with the West, Trump is now giving up on diplomacy and instead going scorched earth. I know we all believe Trump should have done this on day 1, but ultimately Trump needed to bring over a ton of normies by showing them just how rotten everything was, just like Putin brought over normie Russians into hating the west.

People in the hardcore right forget that not everyone thinks like them. Honestly, the way Trump was cheated in 2020 may actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the right in the long run. It really has gotten everyone on board with just firing everyone in DC now. Trump could not have done that in 2016, now probably 60% of the Republican party wants a total purge of DC. 20% don't care, and 20% hate Trump.

But I digress, Trump could not have gone scorched earth in 2016 because the public wasn't ready for it. Now they are, because Trump has maintained the moral high ground (just like Putin did) to justify future retaliation.
You're high on copium, my friend.

Trump didn't go scorched earth because deep down he simply isn't capable of doing so. He ran on a scorched earth platform (Build the wall! Drain the swamp! Lock her up!) and we elected him precisely for that reason. The idea that he needed to "show normies how rotten everything was" (by allowing the Swamp to completely screw over his Presidency? Huh?) is completely asinine, Q-Anon tier cope and rationalization. Trump had the wind at his sails and everything working in his favor in early 2017. We sent him to Washington with a sledgehammer. When he got there he set it down and picked up an olive branch.

This is the root of my entire problem with Trump and the people who keep pushing for him in 2024. You all seem to be stuck in a time warp, believing that we're back in the year 2015 and that if only we elect Donald Trump everything will be great. He'll destroy the Deep State once and for all! Except that simply isn't going to happen. Trump is an old man who has already shown us exactly who he is and what he's capable of doing. We know his strengths and weaknesses very well by now. He is an exceptional campaigner, media personality and firebrand. He is a woeful administrator and executive. He loves receiving attention and adulation and sitting atop the throne, but has demonstrated a terrible incapacity to wield his power effectively.

To put it another way, I WISH that Trump was the man you all think he is. But he is not. He has demonstrated that fact very clearly over the length of his term in office and in the years since.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
You're high on copium, my friend.

Trump didn't go scorched earth because deep down he simply isn't capable of doing so. He ran on a scorched earth platform (Build the wall! Drain the swamp! Lock her up!) and we elected him precisely for that reason. The idea that he needed to "show normies how rotten everything was" (by allowing the Swamp to completely screw over his Presidency? Huh?) is completely asinine, Q-Anon tier cope and rationalization. Trump had the wind at his sails and everything working in his favor in early 2017. We sent him to Washington with a sledgehammer. When he got there he set it down and picked up an olive branch.

This is the root of my entire problem with Trump and the people who keep pushing for him in 2024. You all seem to be stuck in a time warp, believing that we're back in the year 2015 and that if only we elect Donald Trump everything will be great. He'll destroy the Deep State once and for all! Except that simply isn't going to happen. Trump is an old man who has already shown us exactly who he is and what he's capable of doing. We know his strengths and weaknesses very well by now. He is an exceptional campaigner, media personality and firebrand. He is a woeful administrator and executive. He loves receiving attention and adulation and sitting atop the throne, but has demonstrated a terrible incapacity to wield his power effectively.

To put it another way, I WISH that Trump was the man you all think he is. But he is not. He has demonstrated that fact very clearly over the length of his term in office and in the years since.

He did go with a sledgehammer, had the longest gov shutdown in history (and got the wall started because of it), and was impeached twice. No other President has ever received such hostility since Lincoln.

No other pol today would even go half as far as Trump has. DeSantis doesn't have the cashflow to be a rebel. It's either Trump or bust, and whatever flaws Trump has is immaterial; he's the only person capable of launching any overhaul of DC. DeSantis is easily controlled through his purse strings, that's just the way it is. There's literally only two types of people who could win without money:

1. Independently wealthy individuals (like Trump, Musk, Ye, etc).
2. Highly popular religious figures who have zero dollars but win over millions with faith.

I would much rather have #2. There have been figures like that in America's past. But that's not what we have today and wishing it was better isn't going to change anything, because God's will is that there is no salvation in this world. Instead we have to choose the lesser of evils while we are tested for judgement day. There is no sense in getting upset over Trump not being perfect, the only reasonable course of action is pragmatism.

Trump is independent. DeSantis is not, and we know this especially because of the blatant betrayal of Trump. DeSantis would not be where he is without Trump. Trump was a friend to DeSantis and tried to make an alliance with him, and this is how DeSantis turns on Trump, because of a few Judas bucks? DeSantis has been revealed.
 
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