The Donald Trump thread

Aloha50

Robin
Protestant
Trump a CNN fan now.



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Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
Hmm this isn't good, they're apparently more fearful of Desantis than Trump....
DeSantis would be harder to vilify and jin up emotional frenzy against. The left NPCs might not turn out in force. Plus I think they know it’ll be easier to cheat against Trump again. After all President Pampers beat him once already in their collective quasi consciousness
 

FrancisK

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
DeSantis would be harder to vilify and jin up emotional frenzy against. The left NPCs might not turn out in force. Plus I think they know it’ll be easier to cheat against Trump again. After all President Pampers beat him once already in their collective quasi consciousness

That's exactly what it is, I don't have a problem with either of them I just want the one who has the best chance to actually win....
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
DeSantis would lose in a real election to Biden, with no cheating involved, don't believe the fake polls. DeSantis pulls in no new voters and goes down like Mitt Romney, another "Respectable Republican."
Hmm this isn't good, they're apparently more fearful of Desantis than Trump....

No, they are angry DeSantis is doing lousy because they want a split primary. They want maximum carnage inside of the Republican party so they don't need to cheat as much.

It's not easy rigging so many state contests at once, there is a lot that can go wrong, and the people who were bought out last time may have shifted their interests around since then. Pimpin' ain't easy my friends.
 

scorpion

Pelican
Gold Member

Trump is saying he won't participate in primary debates, for the stated reasons that he's so ahead in the polls his opponents don't deserve to debate him, and because the media won't treat him fairly. This is pretty terrible look, and a completely unnecessary own-goal that leaves him looking scared and weak (and very Bidenesque). Trump is not a bad debater by any means, and is actually quite fantastic on a crowded stage where his natural charisma, decades of media experience and dominating personality make him stand out among the other candidates. This is how he differentiated himself in 2016 and walked away with the nomination. Further, the idea that Trump is somehow disadvantaged by the media's antagonism to him is completely backwards - he is only strengthened when the media vilifies him and treats him unfairly.

Trump WILL struggle if he gets stuck in a 1 on 1 debate with DeSantis at some point, however, which seems to be the only reason he would refuse to debate at all. It's not that DeSantis is a particularly good debater - his charisma is terrible compared to Trump, and he's not a naturally gifted speaker. But simply being put on the spot and forced to compare his record in office against DeSantis's list of accomplishments in Florida is NOT going to go well for Trump, especially when he has to start defending his COVID policy. Further, Trump's natural strengths as a politician and debater are more based on surface level appeal, whereas DeSantis is much stronger with details. DeSantis would be walking into these debates with his head crammed full of data, facts and statistics to drop in support of his argument, while Trump would just go up there and basically wing it the way he always does. Honestly, even given all that, I still think he would do pretty well against DeSantis in a debate, and very possibly even come across as the winner. But for some reason he seems very scared to take that chance. There is no other reasonable explanation for why he would choose to dodge all debates entirely.
 

king bast

Woodpecker
Protestant
Trump is saying he won't participate in primary debates, for the stated reasons that he's so ahead in the polls his opponents don't deserve to debate him, and because the media won't treat him fairly.

Does anyone doubt the truth of that?

Each condition checks out taken at face value, and its a long reach to spin it as "well akshully its because he's just scared". One might question whether this is an honestly held opinion or just the latest in a long line of disingenous shillposts.
 

Aloha50

Robin
Protestant
Does anyone doubt the truth of that?

Each condition checks out taken at face value, and its a long reach to spin it as "well akshully its because he's just scared". One might question whether this is an honestly held opinion or just the latest in a long line of disingenous shillposts.
So he's going with the Katie Hobbs and Joe Biden playbook. Alright, we'll see how the not Trump cult vote views that tactic.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
So difficult to find out exactly what Trump said about the debate thing:


“I see that everybody is talking about the Republican Debates, but nobody got my approval, or the approval of the Trump Campaign, before announcing them,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

“When you’re leading by seemingly insurmountable numbers, and you have hostile Networks with angry, TRUMP & MAGA-hating anchors asking the ‘questions,’ why subject yourself to being libeled and abused?” he wrote.

Trump specifically cited the second debate for enmity, noting that the chair at the Reagan Library “is, amazingly, Fred Ryan, Publisher of The Washington Post.”

Would he attend that debate? “NO!” Trump said.

So, Trump's reasons for not attending are not simply because he doesn't want to debate, or because he is afraid, or whatever, it's simply because it would make for a bad show and a boring time. Trump's a showman, and he knows Trump vs. (((moderator))) is extremely boring viewing. Not to mention, it is boring and irritating for him to have to tell the moderator to shut up all the time. Would YOU want to debate a moderator? Trump is smart for calling out fake debates and this will only rise him further in the polls. Why should Trump need to prove himself to the donors who run the Republican party anymore, that is most definitely a waste of time.

If I were on Trump's strategy team, I'd tell him to ask for Tucker Carlson as a debate moderator. I bet you Trump would do a debate if Tucker was the moderator.
 

scorpion

Pelican
Gold Member
Does anyone doubt the truth of that?

Each condition checks out taken at face value, and its a long reach to spin it as "well akshully its because he's just scared". One might question whether this is an honestly held opinion or just the latest in a long line of disingenous shillposts.
If you're unwilling to read more than two lines into a post, you should probably stick to Twitter. I was quite objective and even complimentary of Trump with my analysis, as you would have seen if you'd actually read the entirety of what I wrote. If you'd like to make a counterargument, please share your thoughts and enlighten us. Calling what I wrote a shill post (when it is clearly nothing of the sort - what kind of terrible shill post pays compliments to the opposing candidate?) is not an argument, and makes you look foolish.
 

Aloha50

Robin
Protestant
So difficult to find out exactly what Trump said about the debate thing:




So, Trump's reasons for not attending are not simply because he doesn't want to debate, or because he is afraid, or whatever, it's simply because it would make for a bad show and a boring time. Trump's a showman, and he knows Trump vs. (((moderator))) is extremely boring viewing. Not to mention, it is boring and irritating for him to have to tell the moderator to shut up all the time. Would YOU want to debate a moderator? Trump is smart for calling out fake debates and this will only rise him further in the polls. Why should Trump need to prove himself to the donors who run the Republican party anymore, that is most definitely a waste of time.

If I were on Trump's strategy team, I'd tell him to ask for Tucker Carlson as a debate moderator. I bet you Trump would do a debate if Tucker was the moderator.
Tucker would be the last guy Trump would want as a moderator. All other potential moderators would be normies and only get into Covid and especially the vax superficially. Tucker would likely go deep like into excess deaths, big pharma indemnity among other things. This would be difficult for Trump to maneuver around and not to his liking.

I don't think it's Tuckers style or want to be a moderator anyway. Also, any perceived tough question to Trump would be perceived by Trumpers as disloyalty or unAmerican so it wouldn't be helpful to Tucker who at present is adored by all on the right.

Really, the only role of a moderator should be keeping each candidate to time; nothing more. Let the candidates ask each other questions and just go at it.
 

scorpion

Pelican
Gold Member
So, Trump's reasons for not attending are not simply because he doesn't want to debate, or because he is afraid, or whatever, it's simply because it would make for a bad show and a boring time. Trump's a showman, and he knows Trump vs. (((moderator))) is extremely boring viewing. Not to mention, it is boring and irritating for him to have to tell the moderator to shut up all the time. Would YOU want to debate a moderator? Trump is smart for calling out fake debates and this will only rise him further in the polls. Why should Trump need to prove himself to the donors who run the Republican party anymore, that is most definitely a waste of time.

If I were on Trump's strategy team, I'd tell him to ask for Tucker Carlson as a debate moderator. I bet you Trump would do a debate if Tucker was the moderator.
Trump did very well in 2016 in the primary debates, and as we've seen, is very skilled at playing the babyface to the media's heel. He has absolutely nothing to fear by being treated unfairly by the moderators. Further, even if the other candidates were indeed so weak as to be literally a waste of his time, he would still owe it to the voters to appear in primary debates, as they are a tradition in American politics and a core aspect of the primary process. Dismissing them as being somehow beneath him is incredibly arrogant and insulting, and makes him look entitled at best, and scared at worst.

There's objectively no reason for him to skip them unless he really is terrified to debate DeSantis. And from my perspective, there's no reason he should be - he is not a bad debater, and his charisma alone will make him very competitive with a presumably more polished and prepared DeSantis. It makes me wonder if there is information in play that we don't know about at this point. Is the GOP organizing behind the scenes to sweep the lesser candidates out of the race early and force an extended Trump vs. DeSantis 1v1 contest? That seems very possible. Is Trump himself feeling less than confident in his ability to effectively debate for health reasons, ala Biden? This seems less plausible, given that Trump still appears fairly sharp and energetic, although not at his 2015-2016 level.

I think there is something going on here that we can't yet see.
 

get2choppaaa

Crow
Orthodox
Trump did very well in 2016 in the primary debates, and as we've seen, is very skilled at playing the babyface to the media's heel. He has absolutely nothing to fear by being treated unfairly by the moderators. Further, even if the other candidates were indeed so weak as to be literally a waste of his time, he would still owe it to the voters to appear in primary debates, as they are a tradition in American politics and a core aspect of the primary process. Dismissing them as being somehow beneath him is incredibly arrogant and insulting, and makes him look entitled at best, and scared at worst.

There's objectively no reason for him to skip them unless he really is terrified to debate DeSantis. And from my perspective, there's no reason he should be - he is not a bad debater, and his charisma alone will make him very competitive with a presumably more polished and prepared DeSantis. It makes me wonder if there is information in play that we don't know about at this point. Is the GOP organizing behind the scenes to sweep the lesser candidates out of the race early and force an extended Trump vs. DeSantis 1v1 contest? That seems very possible. Is Trump himself feeling less than confident in his ability to effectively debate for health reasons, ala Biden? This seems less plausible, given that Trump still appears fairly sharp and energetic, although not at his 2015-2016 level.

I think there is something going on here that we can't yet see.
I would like the debates for the entertainment and for the reasons you said.

I am confident there is a strategy for the Orange Assassin however... Especially with regard to DeSantis... Again who hasn't formally announced.

Eta, I dont see the point in debating younkin or Haley or any others except to get on the television more... They're all light weight.

I also think Trumps charisma and debate skills are much better than DeSantis... So I would expect him to be willing to debate him directly at some point... IF Ronald gets in with Donald
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
He has absolutely nothing to fear by being treated unfairly by the moderators.

You don't get it. It's not about fear. It's a boring waste of time that makes for terrible programming. Trump is a showman, he wants to put on a good show. No one likes watching Trump v. (((mod))), even if it does make Trump look like a victim. But Trump doesn't need any more victim status, he's already fighting a fake case against him that gives him max victim status, Trump will only do it if it's fun and entertaining like a Ultimate Fighting Championship match.

Imagine if, during the middle of a UFC fight, the refereree jumps on stage and starts yelling at one of the fighters, telling him why his fighting style is bad, and weak, instead of letting the fighters fight. Imagine how boring it would be, how much the fight would be ruined. Now you know why Trump doesn't want a shill moderator. Has nothing to do with politics, everything to do with entertainment and having fun.

This is not merely just how Trump is, but the majority of masculine right is as well. It would be nice if the((debate hosts))) would respect the audience enough to actually put on a good debate with the candidates going at it with no interference.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
Another idea Fox could use if they were serious:

Make an "auto moderator" aka automod. It's a Chatbot that reads questions, gives people some time, and cuts them off if they run too long. Have it all automatic with clear rules that lets candidates speak to each other off the cuff sometimes as well.

The moderator is obviously a 3rd wheel and people are tired of the stichk.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
Another idea Fox could use if they were serious:

Make an "auto moderator" aka automod. It's a Chatbot that reads questions, gives people some time, and cuts them off if they run too long. Have it all automatic with clear rules that lets candidates speak to each other off the cuff sometimes as well.

The moderator is obviously a 3rd wheel and people are tired of the stichk.
That sounds dangerously close to being reasonable and fair.
Silly rabbi(((t)))
 
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