The Donald Trump thread
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Cuchulainn2016
Kingfisher
Yes, you are absolutely right, never in the history of law in America has one political side (the left) weaponised laws against the other side, with no pushback.On private property so yeah you can't go into the local mosque and slaughter a pig. The trannies can't go into a Catholic church and disrupt service. I can't go into the parking lot of a synagogue (private property) and put flyers saying jews should burn or whatever. If Jewish guy's car is parked on street flyer is good. Also, if I'm invited by a college group to speak on Jewish banking practices Antifa can't disrupt my speech as this law addresses that. When the legislation was first introduced it was garbage but was changed in committee to be good for our side despite the title. Read below more detail. In a nutshell, Desantis took a lemon and made lemonade.
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I mean, apart for the past 1, no 2, no 3, umm, lots of years.
If you honestly believe antifa will now be prosecuted and Christians protected, I don't know what to say.
Here's what I know: that legislation good, bad or ugly was gonna land on the governors desk. In its original form it could have been signed, vetoed or sent back to be worked on in committees.
If he would have signed that would have been very bad as it was a bad bill in its nascent form.
If he would have vetoed, Trump and MSM would have cried: "Anti Semite!!!!!" and they both (Trump\MSM) would hang him with it and hamper his future as governor and torpedo and presidential run. You know this is true.
By signing the much amended bill he avoided the first two options which is good and tweaked it to be in favor of all religions and potentially to be used against Antifa trying to disrupt the right from speaking at public venues.
Could this be twisted by the judiciary sometime in the future? I suppose. Who knows the future. I will say, if I had a nickel for every black pill doom prediction from the right I'd be a billionaire.
Seems to me that this isn't the hill to die on.... but ok....
Why is DeSantis doing worse than Trump?
Add this to the data I posted yesterday from RCP averages.
The problem with these newer claims / strategies is that it might all be bluster, no different than last time. He's outlining a plan to go after endowments, great but...will it ever happen? His track record is so poor, I just disregard most things he says. I do give him loads of credit for the Supreme Court picks, he deserves it, but on many other issues his words and actions didn't match.
Uhh... probably because he hasn't even officially started campaigning yet, while Trump has been ruthlessly savaging him in the media for over a year now? Why do you keep posting these national poll numbers as if they are remotely meaningful at this point?
This will quickly turn into a two-man race, a fact alone which will bump DeSantis's poll numbers 10-15% right away. Trump's upside is already locked in. He's maxed out and has nowhere to go but down at this point. Further, Trump's ego and desperation are going to turn a lot of people off this cycle, when it becomes obvious he has nothing to bring to bear against DeSantis besides lies, smears and personal attacks. You can get away with that strategy in a crowded field of candidates composed of such mediocrities as Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Jeb Bush, but it isn't going to work going 1-on-1 against the most accomplished and effective sitting politician in the country. Trump's going to look petty and insecure (he already does, and it's only going to get worse) as he rips off insults and whines about how poorly he is treated, while DeSantis just sits there and lists accomplishment after accomplishment.
Also, I'm incredulous that anyone can believe that Trump is going to SEIZE university endowments. Yeah, I'm sure he'll get around to that, right after he locks up Hillary Clinton. How have you all not yet realized that Trump loves to talk a big game and deliver as little as possible? I honestly think the man regards his biggest supporters as idiot marks. He can say anything and they'll just continue to lap it up as the gospel truth ("Hey folks, want to buy cheaply photshopped NFTs of me dressed up like a cowboy for $1000? Hah, of course you do!"). It's bizarre and cult-like. I feel like I have to lay out some basic facts to remind people:
1) Trump is not your dad. You do not owe him any personal loyalty.
2) Trump vowed to drain the swamp, build the wall and lock her up as the central planks of his campaign. He did none of these things.
3) Trump, by his own admission (read Art of the Deal), is a hype man whose success is primarily based on talking big to generate interest and media attention in his projects/deals and then delivering as little as he can get away with, and he applies the same strategy to politics.
4) Trump was twice impeached and rendered almost completely ineffective in office by his enemies.
5) Trump repeatedly made unbelievably awful personnel decisions, including appointing his Jew son-in-law as a senior advisor and allowing Fauci and Birx to run roughshod over the country during COVID.
6) Trump is almost 80 years old, and is completely set in his ways. If elected again, he is not going to do things any differently in office than he did before. We could expect the exact same things to happen all over again, except even worse, because this time the Deep State would have his number from the get-go.
7) Trump is completely out of his depth in the White House. We know this because we saw it for four years. He flailed around aimlessly doing something close to nothing, because he has no understanding of how to wield political power effectively. Politics for Trump is literally just going on television and holding rallies. That's it. That's what he's good at. He's an entertainer at heart, and there's very little of substance underneath his bravado.
If you cannot at least step back and admit this man has numerous, GLARING flaws, you have to consider the possibility that you've fallen victim to Trump's personality cult. You need to ask yourself why you feel such personal loyalty toward someone who doesn't personally know or care about you. It's not normal or rational. No one supporting DeSantis displays this behavior. I don't really care about DeSantis - he seems like a pretty decent dude, but at the end of the day, I'm just looking at him like someone I want to hire for a job. I favor him because he seems very capable and adept. This is not how Trump supporters view Trump. Not at all. It's an entirely different attitude, one that is primarily emotionally driven, and people need to be honest with themselves about that.
I do feel like we are just repeating the same points at each other but that's ok by me.
I've pointed out there are glaring faults as you say. Repeatedly. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else here who's only pushed glowing praise with out acknowledgement of deficiencies.
Trump is a vessel or conduit of a movement that is not manifested in any other candidate. I can separate the man from the movement and recognize he is the best chance of getting it accomplished in spite of his flaws.
I do not trust DeSantis, who's the only close candidate Likely*** to enter the race. My life experience with people with his background, as I've stated, is one where a person is operating purely out of political ego and motivation. That's how he's gotten where he is riding the wave of Harvard Yale .mil lawyer in Faluja and Gitmo. His congressional record for Iraq was garbage. I see him as a Neocon in disguise. Nothing you are going to say is going to dissociate that opinion from him with me and many other veterans who share that belief...
I am fine if he does enter the race though as it will force Trump further to the right.
I'm not under the allusion that institutional candidates, which I believe your favorite DeSanits to be, are going to do anything to shrink the gov bureaucracies...in fact i suspect he will grow it.
I understand you're making your argument based off what you realistically assess... I just align with the Matt Gaetz/Bannon crowd.
I'd rather have Trump ride the last hurrah here and see what happens than ditch a candidate who got more votes than any incumbent president EVER and grew his voter count in the second election.
the trade off for white suburban mom's vote is a miscalculation by those who think RDS would bring more to the table than Trump. He's just not as electable and you can crunch the numbers.
Look once a candidate has the lead Trump does the primary is over.
Keep championing the dream if you want... But it's not happening and the longer it takes RDS to admit it... The worse for him.
If I'm wrong and this all goes another way, please feel free to quote this post and tell me I was wrong. I'll gladly admit it.
I see you're using InteractivePolls to prove your point. The poll you posted is a NATIONAL poll which is entirely worthless and misleading. The same 'INteractivePolls' has shown Trump losing to Biden in every swing state whereas Desantis beats Biden. The state polling is what matters. The fact that Trump can run up the score in Oklahoma means nothing. And did you see the Texas poll from yesterday? Like 60% of Texas voters don't want Trump to run again. The internals of the poll were even worse.
Polls don't mean anything at this point. Wasn't Hillary up 30 or whatever # of points before losing in 2016? Polls seem to be fake and biased until people want to use them to conveniently prove their points.
Excellent insider baseball from Peter Navarro on what happened during COVID within the Whitehouse
I don't even see how that works given the lack of constitutionality... But we are absolutely entering new eras of crazy behavior.
I hope the do charge him. I'm all for the Donald accelerationist vote. Then the DeSantis folks can feel vindicated after he was beclowned in the primary that hasn't yet been announced due to lack of convefe by said governor.
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^ using 'famous' instead of 'rich' is brilliant.
Use 'rich', and the media takes off with it and polarizes him as an out of touch rich old man. 'Famous' gets him on a level with guys Dicaprio, Clooney back in the day, and even old guys like Nicholson, who are well known for their exploits with women.
Great way to frame It, Don.
Use 'rich', and the media takes off with it and polarizes him as an out of touch rich old man. 'Famous' gets him on a level with guys Dicaprio, Clooney back in the day, and even old guys like Nicholson, who are well known for their exploits with women.
Great way to frame It, Don.
dicknixon72
Pelican
Exactly. You think even a well-worn pill-addicted 35 year old part-time waitress at a rural Denny's would let Harvey Weinstein have his way with her if he were the Assistant Manager at a Tires Plus?
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SlickyBoy
Ostrich
Reason number 1000 that I'm going to cut the cord for cable - only reason I had it for TV purposes was to watch Tucker, and maybe a couple other things. But now I think it's time to just go to YT or wherever else to catch clips of him speaking.
Fox really shot themselves in the foot over this; they think they can replace him the way they did O'Reilly, but those days are gone. Tucker was far from perfect, but the mere absence of any dissent in major legacy media is very bad, writ large. This eliminates the possibility that non-alt media normies will get anything other than snippets of goyslop media from their occasional doctors waiting room visits or airport lounges.
It's no surprise Paul Ryan is a board member of the same company that owns both Fox and WSJ. Can't have Tucker promoting the idea of RFK Jr as a plausible alternative to whatever joke the GOP wants to push in our direction.
And no, I don't think Trump is making a comeback from what I can see - polling terribly in many of his strongholds from last time. Ann Coulter called that one out when Trump was arrested - the MAGA vote is being played into supporting him. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/05/ann-coulter-youre-being-played-republicans/
I could tell from her voice she would look like that.
Looks like he was found liable and has to pay up. He'll likely be appealing. More baggage to add to his candidacy.
I'm happy to see at least the media is acknowledging this is a civil trial and they aren't using the word "guilty" - I was waiting for them to do that.
EDIT: Just clarifying that these are based on preponderance of evidence, and I don't really know how this can be twisted to make him look bad if there's no proof of any wrongdoing. His lewd conversations on that Billy Bush tape right before the second debate in 2016 seemed to be a major factor in the jury deciding that this fit the bill of "more likely than not".
I'm happy to see at least the media is acknowledging this is a civil trial and they aren't using the word "guilty" - I was waiting for them to do that.
EDIT: Just clarifying that these are based on preponderance of evidence, and I don't really know how this can be twisted to make him look bad if there's no proof of any wrongdoing. His lewd conversations on that Billy Bush tape right before the second debate in 2016 seemed to be a major factor in the jury deciding that this fit the bill of "more likely than not".
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