The Donald Trump thread

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Looks like he was found liable and has to pay up. He'll likely be appealing. More baggage to add to his candidacy.

I'm happy to see at least the media is acknowledging this is a civil trial and they aren't using the word "guilty" - I was waiting for them to do that.

EDIT: Just clarifying that these are based on preponderance of evidence, and I don't really know how this can be twisted to make him look bad if there's no proof of any wrongdoing. His lewd conversations on that Billy Bush tape right before the second debate in 2016 seemed to be a major factor in the jury deciding that this fit the bill of "more likely than not".
The whole thing is ridiculous. She was already a withered old hag at the time of this imaginary event. She was and is completely unattractive, and way outside his league. The jurors who voted for this result know it is not true, and are happy to return a fraudulent result to harm him.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
The whole thing is ridiculous. She was already a withered old hag at the time of this imaginary event. She was and is completely unattractive, and way outside his league. The jurors who voted for this result know it is not true, and are happy to return a fraudulent result to harm him.
I think they were comfortable returning this result because to win a civil trial, you only need to think "yeah, I think this may have happened", you don't have to be sure. Civil trials are a problem and can very easily be abused. (I'm actually very worried Kyle Rittenhouse could get financially wrecked by a few of them, as far as I know only one right now is pending.)

What I'm worried about are the criminal charges Trump is facing. Is a biased jury going to be comfortable finding him guilty for something there's zero evidence for - just say that he did it anyway? That's almost some kind of reverse jury nullification. Juries refusing to find someone guilty is one thing, but what do you do when they're determined to ruin him by finding him guilty of literally anything?
 
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budoslavic

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eradicator

Crow
Agnostic
Gold Member
Its not a criminal trial so the rules are quite different. He was ordered to pay $5 million dollars for the pain and suffering of the plaintiff. The only evidence she gave was her and her friends saying she was raped by trump 30 or 40 years ago(she isn’t sure about the date)

If he had said “as far as I know I’ve never met this woman but it’s been 30 years, I certainly didn’t have sex or tape her” , and stuck with that,

How is this even possible? It doesn’t seem like trump helped himself with his testimony , “she’s not my type, “. But I’m scratching my head that any of this is possible?
 
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budoslavic

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Its not a criminal trial so the rules are quite different. He was ordered to pay $5 million dollars for the pain abs suffering of the plaintiff. The only evidence she gave was her and her friends saying she was raped by trump 30 or 40 years ago(she isn’t sure about the date)

If he had said “as far as I know I’ve never met this woman but it’s been 30 years, I certainly didn’t have sex or tape her” , and stuck with that,

How is this even possible? It doesn’t seem like trump helped himself with his testimony , “she’s not my type, “.
USA's justice system is broken. They just made Trump a martyr.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Catholic
Its not a criminal trial so the rules are quite different. He was ordered to pay $5 million dollars for the pain and suffering of the plaintiff. The only evidence she gave was her and her friends saying she was raped by trump 30 or 40 years ago(she isn’t sure about the date)

If he had said “as far as I know I’ve never met this woman but it’s been 30 years, I certainly didn’t have sex or tape her” , and stuck with that,

How is this even possible? It doesn’t seem like trump helped himself with his testimony , “she’s not my type, “. But I’m scratching my head that any of this is possible?
Yeah, that was horrible. That worked as an offhand comment when he was hounded by something like 4 unserious harassment charges in one week, but you don't say that when you're in the middle of a for-real civil trial.

I understand he's angry and full of contempt on what are clearly bogus charges meant to ruin his reputation, but that attitude (for anyone lukewarm on this) made him look angry the rules are applying to him. Not a good look.
 

Aldebaran

Robin
Protestant
Looks like he was found liable and has to pay up. He'll likely be appealing. More baggage to add to his candidacy.

I'm happy to see at least the media is acknowledging this is a civil trial and they aren't using the word "guilty" - I was waiting for them to do that.

EDIT: Just clarifying that these are based on preponderance of evidence, and I don't really know how this can be twisted to make him look bad if there's no proof of any wrongdoing. His lewd conversations on that Billy Bush tape right before the second debate in 2016 seemed to be a major factor in the jury deciding that this fit the bill of "more likely than not".

He was found liable for denying a crime he didn't commit. You can't make this shit up. This means that anyone can accuse anyone of anything, and if they deny it they can be held liable for "defaming". Regardless if they did the thing they were accused of or not.

But of course we all know that this was just Trump being found liable for being Trump.

Will be interesting to see if this leads to a pile up of (more) false charges against him. It's a free lunch at this point. Legal bills will be footed by the Democrats.

And even though the media is careful to use the precise wording, there are millions of leftist social media bots screaming that he is "found guilty of rape". And the media will have countless guests doing countless media appearances saying the same thing. They will get their message across. In the end very few will know the differerence between being liable and civil court, and being guilty of criminal charges. Even Trump supporters use the word "guilty".

 
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Road2Damascus

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
Its not a criminal trial so the rules are quite different. He was ordered to pay $5 million dollars for the pain and suffering of the plaintiff. The only evidence she gave was her and her friends saying she was raped by trump 30 or 40 years ago(she isn’t sure about the date)

If he had said “as far as I know I’ve never met this woman but it’s been 30 years, I certainly didn’t have sex or tape her” , and stuck with that,

How is this even possible? It doesn’t seem like trump helped himself with his testimony
, “she’s not my type, “. But I’m scratching my head that any of this is possible?

And that's what many of us have been saying here for months. He says and does stupid things that do not help the populism agenda, and instead play right into the hands of his enemies. The victim act is really getting old, he's a just a buffoon most the time. His defenders go on and on about the 4D chess, his intelligence, it's a joke at this point.
 

Sherman

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
It’s obvious why all these criminal cases are being brought against Trump by democrat controlled jurisdictions. The democrats fully intending to run old Joe Biden for president and they know that the only way they can win is to get Trump disqualified. The real message here is that the USA is no longer a democracy and there are not free elections.
 

Aldebaran

Robin
Protestant
And that's what many of us have been saying here for months. He says and does stupid things that do not help the populism agenda, and instead play right into the hands of his enemies. The victim act is really getting old, he's a just a buffoon most the time. His defenders go on and on about the 4D chess, his intelligence, it's a joke at this point.

His (and many of his supporters) biggest problem is that they STILL believe in the institutions.

Trump and his supporters believe that since he is innocent he will be found not guilty. And that he can win an election. And that everybody plays by the same rulebook as he/they does themselves.

For example, he believes that since he is obviously innocent of the criminal charges brought against him in NY, he will be found not guilty. He won't.

There is a reason that the Democrats have constructed this case and made it into 34 separate charges. He will be sentenced to jail for decades.

It's like the people in the Gulag who were convinced that Stalin would save them as soon as he found out about them. When he was the one who sent them there.
 

budoslavic

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Orthodox
Gold Member
And that's what many of us have been saying here for months. He says and does stupid things that do not help the populism agenda, and instead play right into the hands of his enemies. The victim act is really getting old, he's a just a buffoon most the time. His defenders go on and on about the 4D chess, his intelligence, it's a joke at this point.
 

Road2Damascus

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
His (and many of his supporters) biggest problem is that they STILL believe in the institutions.

Trump and his supporters believe that since he is innocent he will be found not guilty. And that he can win an election. And that everybody plays by the same rulebook as he/they does themselves.

For example, he believes that since he is obviously innocent of the criminal charges brought against him in NY, he will be found not guilty. He won't.

There is a reason that the Democrats have constructed this case and made it into 34 separate charges. He will be sentenced to jail for decades.

It's like the people in the Gulag who were convinced that Stalin would save them as soon as he found out about them. When he was the one who sent them there.

He's right that the system is rigged but he sure doesn't do anything to help himself or try to work within it.

The left worked within the system to slowly and steadily gain power. Did they come right out and state their agenda? No!
 

Aldebaran

Robin
Protestant
He's right that the system is rigged but he sure doesn't do anything to help himself or try to work within it.

The left worked within the system to slowly and steadily gain power. Did they come right out and state their agenda? No!

It's weird. He constantly complains that the system is utterly corrupt and rigged against him (which it is), yet seems to think he will win regardless.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
Focusing on motivations is a waste of time. Trump exposes the rot for all to see, destroying respect for DC. This is really setting the stage for massive future conflict and potential independence. I'm glad Trump is an obnoxious man who makes the left hate him, it pretty much makes it obvious to all. This is what real opposition (instead of normal fake GOPposition) looks like.

Trump is taunting these people into trying to destroy him, he wants the fight. Why? Maybe Trump is a messed up guy. Maybe he's got perfect intentions. I have no idea, but the people benefit, and helps along a breakup from the rotten parts of America. There will not be any other way out (short of a miracle from God), so Trump does us a tremendous favor by starting the process early.

The cracks Trump is causing now will erupt into massive fissures once the country is finally broke and hyperinflation sets in.
 

GuitarVH

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
This is not even funny farcical. It's civilization-ending farcical.

She can't remember the date this ridiculous story happened? Maybe 30 or 40 years ago, somewhere in that ballpark?

This is what happens when an organized, international clique is busy picking off the tiny scraps of sinew left on the huge skeleton of your country's carcass.
 

scorpion

Pelican
Gold Member
So Ivanka converts to Talmudism and Eric chose Jared to marry him. Trump likes pardoning tribe bankers as well. Hmmm. Seems like the Trumps are crypto Jews.

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Unlike most politicians, who are forced to appease Jewish power to some degree as a precondition for accessing the mainstream political arena, Trump and his family seem to enjoy sucking to the Jews for its own sake. How else to explain a Tweet like this? Do the Trumps just really, really love Jews? Because I've been told that Trump is so wealthy he is incorruptible by donor money. So if that's the case, all the endless Jew worship they engage in must be genuine and earnest. And if it's not the case, then Trump is cynically playing the "suck up to Jewish money and power" game just like every other politician (but somehow the arch-dealmaker is getting next to nothing from them in return).

 

eradicator

Crow
Agnostic
Gold Member
Unlike most politicians, who are forced to appease Jewish power to some degree as a precondition for accessing the mainstream political arena, Trump and his family seem to enjoy sucking to the Jews for its own sake. How else to explain a Tweet like this? Do the Trumps just really, really love Jews? Because I've been told that Trump is so wealthy he is incorruptible by donor money. So if that's the case, all the endless Jew worship they engage in must be genuine and earnest. And if it's not the case, then Trump is cynically playing the "suck up to Jewish money and power" game just like every other politician (but somehow the arch-dealmaker is getting next to nothing from them in return).



I think Eric is correct, the Trumps are the most pro Israel family in the USA and Donald should follow his Childrens example and convert to Judaism. He can even get an Israeli citizenship/dual citizenship and hire a truckload of Jew lawyers to fight his legal battles. It would be extremely appropriate, he is 90% of the way there already
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budoslavic

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The Cases Against Trump​

Donald Trump was found liable of sexual abuse and defamation yesterday in a civil case brought against him by columnist E. Jean Carroll. The former president has been ordered to pay roughly $5m in compensatory and punitive damages. Trump has indicated he will appeal the verdict.

As information collected in the Just Security Litigation Tracker and expanded on by Statista's Martin Armstrong shows, when looking at cases brought over the last couple of years, this is the second verdict going against Trump and his organizations or affiliates.

In January, the Trump Organization was sentenced to pay $1.6 million in fines for a tax fraud conviction.

This latest judgement by no means marks the end of Trump's legal peril, either.

As well as a series of ongoing investigations, the potential 2024 Republican Party presidential candidate is known to be involved in 11 ongoing cases, including one related to a hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels involving 34 criminal charges of falsifying business records.

Here is Reuters breakdown of some of the remaining cases facing Trump ahead of the 2024 election:

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TRUMP NEW YORK CRIMINAL CASE
Trump became the first former U.S. president to face criminal charges when a New York grand jury indicted him for allegedly falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment made to a porn star before his victory in the 2016 presidential election. During the campaign, Trump's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 for her silence about an affair she says she had with Trump in 2006.

Trump denies the allegations and the affair but has admitted to reimbursing Cohen for his payment to Daniels. He has called Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's probe a politically motivated "witch hunt" and pleaded not guilty on April 4 to 34 counts of falsifying business records.

Trump's reimbursement checks for the suppression payment falsely stated that the money was for a "retainer agreement," prosecutors said. The indictment accused Trump of falsifying his real estate company's books with intent to defraud.

While falsifying business records in New York on its own is a misdemeanor punishable by no more than one year in prison, it is elevated to a felony punishable by up to four years when done to advance or conceal another crime, such as election law violations.

Prosecutors say Trump falsified records in part to cover up the fact that the payment to Daniels exceeded federal campaign contribution limits. Last week, Justice Juan Merchan in Manhattan asked Trump's lawyers and prosecutors to see if they could agree on a trial date in February or March 2024, which would be in the thick of Trump's campaign for the November 2024 presidential election.

GEORGIA ELECTION TAMPERING PROBE
A prosecutor in the state of Georgia is investigating whether Trump and others acted illegally to try to overturn his defeat in that state's 2020 presidential vote. The investigation focuses in part on a phone call Trump made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, on Jan. 2, 2021. Trump asked Raffensperger to "find" enough votes needed to overturn Trump's loss in Georgia.

Fani Willis, the Fulton County district attorney and a Democrat, is expected to disclose this summer whether Trump and others will be charged. Prosecutors have granted immunity to at least eight fake electors who may have offered to cast electoral college votes for Trump even though Biden won Georgia, according to a court filing last week.

Legal experts said Trump may have violated at least three Georgia criminal election laws: conspiracy to commit election fraud, criminal solicitation to commit election fraud and intentional interference with performance of election duties.

Trump could argue that his discussions were free speech protected by the U.S. Constitution.

U.S. CAPITOL ATTACK
The U.S. Justice Department has an investigation under way into Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 election. Overseeing the investigation is Jack Smith, a war crimes prosecutor and political independent. Trump has accused the FBI, without evidence, of launching the probes as political retribution.

A special House of Representatives committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, assault by Trump supporters on the U.S. Capitol urged the Justice Department to charge Trump with corruption of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to make a false statement and inciting or aiding an insurrection.

Only the Justice Department can decide whether to charge Trump, who has called the Democratic-led panel's investigation a politically motivated sham.

MISSING GOVERNMENT RECORDS
U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Smith to also investigate whether Trump improperly retained classified records at his Mar-a-Lago Florida estate after leaving the White House and then tried to obstruct a federal investigation.

It is unlawful to willfully remove or retain classified material. The FBI seized 13,000 documents from Mar-a-Lago in an Aug. 8 search. About 100 documents were marked classified; some were designated top secret, the highest level of classification.

Trump has accused the Justice Department of engaging in a partisan witch hunt.

NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL CIVIL LAWSUIT
New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Trump and his Trump Organization last September for fraud. James said that her office found more than 200 examples of misleading asset valuations between 2011 and 2021, and that Trump inflated his net worth by billions of dollars.

She said the scheme was intended to help Trump obtain lower interest rates on loans and better insurance coverage. The civil lawsuit seeks to permanently bar Trump and three of his adult children from running companies in New York state, and to recoup at least $250 million obtained through fraud.

Trump, a Republican, has called James' lawsuit a witch hunt, and the defendants have said the claims are without merit. James is a Democrat.

A trial is scheduled for October.
 

Redcrosse

Kingfisher
Other Christian
This is not even funny farcical. It's civilization-ending farcical.

She can't remember the date this ridiculous story happened? Maybe 30 or 40 years ago, somewhere in that ballpark?

This is what happens when an organized, international clique is busy picking off the tiny scraps of sinew left on the huge skeleton of your country's carcass.
Trump anticipated his own future woes when he rightly ridiculed Christine Blasey Ford’s preposterous accusations:

 
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