The Donald Trump thread

[scorpion]

get2choppaa, I already told you that Baris is nothing but a shameless Trump shill. I have no idea why you keep citing his prognostications as gospel, when they are historically far from accurate. This guy (who I've never seen before but saw when reading that Baris Tweet) sums that up pretty well:



That being said, DeSantis certainly has his work cut out for him, and I expect a long and grinding primary. The sad reality is that Trump's unjust persecution by Alvin Bragg did more for his 2024 campaign than Trump himself did and could ever do.

 

[get2choppaaa]

get2choppaa, I already told you that Baris is nothing but a shameless Trump shill. I have no idea why you keep citing his prognostications as gospel, when they are historically far from accurate. This guy (who I've never seen before but saw when reading that Baris Tweet) sums that up pretty well:



That being said, DeSantis certainly has his work cut out for him, and I expect a long and grinding primary. The sad reality is that Trump's unjust persecution by Alvin Bragg did more for his 2024 campaign than Trump himself did and could ever do.

Just because you declare that someone is a shamelss Trump shill doesnt mean they are wrong. He's making arguments based off his polling and political analysis. He supports Trump. I don't see him being a shill anymore than you are for DeSantis or I am for Trump. Surely you don't ascribe yourself to being a shill when you make an argument based off your fact assumption.

Do you actually know the arguments he's making or are you just dismissing him because of a post you saw on twitter?

Baris is correct that DeSantis wont get working class White rural midwesterners.
Baris is correct that DeSantis's path to victory requires people to change their mind and move from decided to him. That aint happening.
Baris is correct that DeSantis is not getting good campaign advice hence his numbers going down. That's a fact.
Baris is correct that DeSantis had a horrible overseas visit where he signed Anti-Free speech legistiation for his STATE in another country.
Baris is correct that DeSantis does not have a strong tract record of being anti-war.
Baris is correct that an Incumbent with more than 50% support his early in the primary has never lost the primary.
Baris is correct that Trump has more party officals endorsements that DeSantis including among Floridians. Who's endorsed DeSantis? Thomas Massie? and some billionaires? Ok...
(Sorry 30 sheckels Steve Cortez isint going to carry him anywhere)
Baris is correct Trump is the nominee and these indictments aren't going to stop any of that.

Lets see who's right.

Baris or 30 Shekels Steve



Edited to add on a side note...remember this guy?
HA!

In prison tweets, Avenatti warns unseen evidence may benefit Trump in Bragg case

Avenatti posted the warning prior to Trump's Saturday announcement that he expected to be arrested this week.

justthenews.com

 

[budoslavic]

From March 16, 2023...

Loomer wrote an (impressive) in-depth report about the insurance scam in Florida with citations and sources to back up her claims.

 

[scorpion]

Baris is correct that DeSantis wont get working class White rural midwesterners.
Baris is correct that DeSantis's path to victory requires people to change their mind and move from decided to him. That aint happening.
Baris is correct that DeSantis is not getting good campaign advice hence his numbers going down. That's a fact.
Baris is correct that DeSantis had a horrible overseas visit where he signed Anti-Free speech legistiation for his STATE in another country.
Baris is correct that DeSantis does not have a strong tract record of being anti-war.
Baris is correct that an Incumbent with more than 50% support his early in the primary has never lost the primary.
Baris is correct that Trump has more party officals endorsements that DeSantis including among Floridians. Who's endorsed DeSantis? Thomas Massie? and some billionaires? Ok...
(Sorry 30 sheckels Steve Cortez isint going to carry him anywhere)
Baris is correct Trump is the nominee and these indictments aren't going to stop any of that.

It's bizarre that you keep claiming the primary is over, when it literally hasn't even begun yet. Why do you keep doing this? Are you trying to convince yourself, most of all? Are you trying to meme Trump's victory it into reality singlehandedly? Because that's what it seems like.

There's a whole lot that can and will happen between now the GOP convention. Trump may very well walk away with the primary. He's certainly in a strong position now. But his numbers were much weaker before the Bragg indictment. It's very likely that they'll sink back down again over the coming months. It also remains to be seen how competently both the Trump and DeSantis campaigns are managed and financed (you seem to want to ding DeSantis for this but ignore Trump's history of terrible personnel decisions and mismanagement). You make the mistake of thinking this contest will be a one-punch knockout or a Blitzkrieg assault (or at least you certainly seem desperate to believe this). In reality, I suspect it will look more like the sort of long, bloody, drawn out conflict we're seeing in Ukraine (mirroring the 2008 Dem primary between Hillary and Obama, which was the last major primary we've seen contested between two strong, well-financed, and roughly evenly-matched candidates). If Trump is counting on a quick victory over DeSantis, he's making a strategic blunder, and setting himself up for a rough primary season. DeSantis has a lot of backing, and is not going to go away easily.

One of the main reasons Trump has been attacking DeSantis so harshly is that he's essentially been trying to bully and intimidate him out of the race before it starts. It's a typical tactic employed by bullies, because they don't actually want to risk a fight in most cases. It's much easier if you can just intimidate people with harsh words. But Trump's got a fight coming, whether he likes it or not, and it's going to be against his toughest opponent yet, one who can credibly outflank him on the right and who has an envious track record of accomplishment that Trump's bluster and braggadocio can't match.

Enjoy the status quo while it lasts, because it's very likely that you are currently at the high point of the Trump 2024 campaign. His numbers have nowhere to go but down. It's literally impossible for him to get any more popular than he currently is with GOP voters - but he can certainly lose a lot of them. Once it becomes clear that DeSantis actually IS a viable alternative, a solid chunk of Trump voters will make the switch. There's nothing unrealistic about that prediction. That's what happens in every political primary. Hardcore, ride-or-die Trump supporters do not constitute the majority of the GOP, and aren't even the majority of the GOP primary voting base.

They're just the majority of the people you get your political opinions from.

 

[get2choppaaa]

It's bizarre that you keep claiming the primary is over, when it literally hasn't even begun yet. Why do you keep doing this? Are you trying to convince yourself, most of all? Are you trying to meme Trump's victory it into reality singlehandedly? Because that's what it seems like.

There's a whole lot that can and will happen between now the GOP convention. Trump may very well walk away with the primary. He's certainly in a strong position now. But his numbers were much weaker before the Bragg indictment. It's very likely that they'll sink back down again over the coming months. It also remains to be seen how competently both the Trump and DeSantis campaigns are managed and financed (you seem to want to ding DeSantis for this but ignore Trump's history of terrible personnel decisions and mismanagement). You make the mistake of thinking this contest will be a one-punch knockout or a Blitzkrieg assault (or at least you certainly seem desperate to believe this). In reality, I suspect it will look more like the sort of long, bloody, drawn out conflict we're seeing in Ukraine (mirroring the 2008 Dem primary between Hillary and Obama, which was the last major primary we've seen contested between two strong, well-financed, and roughly evenly-matched candidates). If Trump is counting on a quick victory over DeSantis, he's making a strategic blunder, and setting himself up for a rough primary season. DeSantis has a lot of backing, and is not going to go away easily.

One of the main reasons Trump has been attacking DeSantis so harshly is that he's essentially been trying to bully and intimidate him out of the race before it starts. It's a typical tactic employed by bullies, because they don't actually want to risk a fight in most cases. It's much easier if you can just intimidate people with harsh words. But Trump's got a fight coming, whether he likes it or not, and it's going to be against his toughest opponent yet, one who can credibly outflank him on the right and who has an envious track record of accomplishment that Trump's bluster and braggadocio can't match.

Enjoy the status quo while it lasts, because it's very likely that you are currently at the high point of the Trump 2024 campaign. His numbers have nowhere to go but down. It's literally impossible for him to get any more popular than he currently is with GOP voters - but he can certainly lose a lot of them. Once it becomes clear that DeSantis actually IS a viable alternative, a solid chunk of Trump voters will make the switch. There's nothing unrealistic about that prediction. That's what happens in every political primary. Hardcore, ride-or-die Trump supporters do not constitute the majority of the GOP, and aren't even the majority of the GOP primary voting base.

They're just the majority of the people you get your political opinions from.

You misunderstand me sir.

I welcome the primary. I love the fireworks. I just think DeSantis is making very bad moves for himself.

I don't think he underestimates DeSantis at all. Thats why he's been going after him relentlessly. You might remember how he battled with Ted Cruz for a long period of time. The longer DeSantis stays in and goes after Trump the more beclowning will occur I suspect. He's been going after DeSantis to frame him, get his digs in early and find what sticks with him.

You say he can outflank him on the right...MAYBE that is true... but voters dont care sir. They are driven by rhetorical appeal and not Logos.

You may say the Trumpers are not the majority of the GOPe. But they ARE the MAGA majority group and DeSantis has to win them over. He cant win over middle american farmers and rural working class AND wino suburbanite moms in the same time with out alienating one of those groups. DeSantis doesnt have the charisma for that.

I'm looking forward to this battle. Trump has the same mentality that I do on this issue. When someone's shooting at you, you shoot back. Once Ron makes the mistake of attacking him overtly ,which will happen (and did happen about his passive aggressive pornstar hush money comments) he only looks worse and opens himself up for legitimization of criticism by Trump.

Nah... I think The Donald had The Ronald right where he wants him for a smack down over the next year until the convention should that be the route.

 

[scorpion]

From March 16, 2023...


Loomer wrote an (impressive) in-depth report about the insurance scam in Florida with citations and sources to back up her claims.

So she's mad about the insurance company increasing premiums so it can afford to pay out in the case of claims. But then she's also mad that the insurance company is insolvent and can't afford to pay out claims? Huh?

The Florida home insurance industry has been a dumpster fire of fraud and lawsuits for at least the past two decades. If you're trying to blame that on DeSantis, you might as well go ahead and try to blame him for the hurricanes themselves (why not? It might work, people seem to be that dumb these days).

 

[get2choppaaa]

So she's mad about the insurance company increasing premiums so it can afford to pay out in the case of claims. But then she's also mad that the insurance company is insolvent and can't afford to pay out claims? Huh?

The Florida home insurance industry has been a dumpster fire of fraud and lawsuits for at least the past two decades. If you're trying to blame that on DeSantis, you might as well go ahead and try to blame him for the hurricanes themselves (why not? It might work, people seem to be that dumb these days).

Good point... maybe he'll go pray at the Wailing Wall to save him from the criticism here like it has from the last hurricane....

 

[dicknixon72]

As a Floridian, the optics of DeSantis traveling on pre-campaign mode and appearing to do minimal if anything about the insurance issues in this state is a poor look.

 

[Thomas More]

So she's mad about the insurance company increasing premiums so it can afford to pay out in the case of claims. But then she's also mad that the insurance company is insolvent and can't afford to pay out claims? Huh?

The Florida home insurance industry has been a dumpster fire of fraud and lawsuits for at least the past two decades. If you're trying to blame that on DeSantis, you might as well go ahead and try to blame him for the hurricanes themselves (why not? It might work, people seem to be that dumb these days).

I'll have to admit I sided with the insurance company on this too. It sucks to have a $105k premium for home insurance, but if you buy an expensive house in an area that's highly prone to storm damage, the insurance company is going to have to set premiums to cover the risk and the cost of claims, and make a profit doing so. Or worse still, the government will have to do it on a supposedly non-profit basis, with a corrupt, bloated, woke bureaucracy that bleeds the taxpayers white, and still is forced to charge high premiums.

 

[budoslavic]

So she's mad about the insurance company increasing premiums so it can afford to pay out in the case of claims. But then she's also mad that the insurance company is insolvent and can't afford to pay out claims? Huh?

The Florida home insurance industry has been a dumpster fire of fraud and lawsuits for at least the past two decades. If you're trying to blame that on DeSantis, you might as well go ahead and try to blame him for the hurricanes themselves (why not? It might work, people seem to be that dumb these days).

I'll have to admit I sided with the insurance company on this too. It sucks to have a $105k premium for home insurance, but if you buy an expensive house in an area that's highly prone to storm damage, the insurance company is going to have to set premiums to cover the risk and the cost of claims, and make a profit doing so. Or worse still, the government will have to do it on a supposedly non-profit basis, with a corrupt, bloated, woke bureaucracy that bleeds the taxpayers white, and still is forced to charge high premiums.

I post a response on The Ron DeSantis thread to avoid hijacking the Trump thread.

 

[Aloha50]

So Trump cancels his lightly attended rally then tries to blame the weather where it turns out his flight to Des Moines was the only flight cancelled yesterday lol. Meanwhile Desantis was on the ground campaigning in the area (in nice weather) where Trump was supposed to be.

David = Desantis
Trump = Saul

Continue to watch this dynamic play out....we know how this ends.

 

[get2choppaaa]

So Trump cancels his lightly attended rally then tries to blame the weather where it turns out his flight to Des Moines was the only flight cancelled yesterday lol. Meanwhile Desantis was on the ground campaigning in the area (in nice weather) where Trump was supposed to be.

David = Desantis
Trump = Saul

Continue to watch this dynamic play out....we know how this ends.

That's a lot do spin. What reason do you say it was lightly attended. Are you pulling that out of your hat?

Is this good beautiful weather Ron DeSantis event or something else?



I highly encourage you to stop comparing either of these two people to biblical figures... i think it's a bit naive...

 

[scorpion]

I'm not sure what Aloha50 was referring to in regards to the cancelled Trump event. But in politics it is fairly standard to cancel an event last minute if the advance team reports an unexpectedly low turnout. Not saying that's what happened, but it's not out of the question. Although I would find it pretty surprising since Trump usually has no trouble drawing a crowd.

Also, 500 people at an early-stage primary event in Iowa is a pretty good crowd. It's a low population state with old-fashioned values. They like retail politics where they can get up close and personal with the candidates. I think DeSantis will ultimately do very well in Iowa, as his personality, family history and values align much more closely with Iowans than Trump's. The Iowa caucus format is very distinct from other primary election formats and essentially forces voters to publicly discuss the merits of their preferred candidate among each other.

A large number of Trump supporters are basically just supporting him out of inertia and familiarity. Once it becomes clear that DeSantis is a viable alternative, many will be happy to make the switch. This process is aided in the caucus system, since the arguments in favor of a candidate are typically coming directly from other people in the community and not some campaign operative or talking head. It's literally just people from the same town talking to each other about why they support so-and-so candidate and then voting on it. DeSantis has a lot of potential votes to gain in such an environment, while Trump has a lot to lose.

 

[FrancisK]

How about we just merge the trump and desantis threads at this point?

This is no longer a discussion, you guys have turned into fanboys rooting for or against whatever team you're on.

 

[budoslavic]

So Trump cancels his lightly attended rally then tries to blame the weather where it turns out his flight to Des Moines was the only flight cancelled yesterday lol. Meanwhile Desantis was on the ground campaigning in the area (in nice weather) where Trump was supposed to be.

David = Desantis
Trump = Saul

Continue to watch this dynamic play out....we know how this ends.

Why didn't you include the tornado part about the weather? There were tornado warnings in Iowa. Try again. Do better.

Trump calls off first Iowa rally of 2024 campaign over tornado warnings​

Former President Trump canceled an evening rally in Des Moines, Iowa, with just hours to spare Saturday — nixing what would have been a closely watched indicator of his strength in the state that will hold the nation’s first presidential primary contest in 2024.

“Unfortunately, due to the Tornado Warnings in Des Moines, we are forced to cancel today’s outdoor Rally at the Lauridsen Amphitheater,” Trump posted on Truth Social. “Stay tuned, we will reschedule soon. Be safe out there!”

Scattered hailstorms and damaging wind gusts up to 70 miles per hour were predicted for Saturday afternoon and evening across most of the Hawkeye State, according to Fox Weather.

Trump calls off first Iowa rally of 2024 campaign over tornado warnings

Former President Trump canceled an Iowa rally Saturday due to tornado warnings, nixing what would have been an indicator of his strength in the state holding 2024’s first presidential primary…

nypost.com

 

[get2choppaaa]

Why didn't you include the tornado part about the weather? There were tornado warnings in Iowa. Try again. Do better.

Trump calls off first Iowa rally of 2024 campaign over tornado warnings​

Trump calls off first Iowa rally of 2024 campaign over tornado warnings

Former President Trump canceled an Iowa rally Saturday due to tornado warnings, nixing what would have been an indicator of his strength in the state holding 2024’s first presidential primary…

nypost.com

No no no... It was clearly the poor turn out by Donald Trump Fans and the fact that he has no ground organization in Iowa....

 

[Papaya]

Edited to add on a side note...remember this guy?
HA!

In prison tweets, Avenatti warns unseen evidence may benefit Trump in Bragg case

Avenatti posted the warning prior to Trump's Saturday announcement that he expected to be arrested this week.

justthenews.com

What I want to know is how does this chucklehead rate Twitter access from prison?

 

[eradicator]

The purpose of the media is not to make money.

You think Jewish owned media conglomerates don’t want to make money? Oi vey!

 

[get2choppaaa]

Also... have to post this because I thought it was hilarious

 

[Samseau]

As usual, the mediaspace is flooded with nonsense and propaganda about the Presidential race now that the primary has started. But you can cut through the noise by remembering the two most important things a President unilaterally controls:

A.) Foreign Policy (as commander in Chief)
B.) Trade (because of a law passed in the 1950's which gives the President control over tariffs and duties)

Everything else has to do through congress or the courts. Presidential cabinets must be approved by the Senate, legislation (obviously) goes through Congress, and then the Courts, therefore there is actually very little a President can do on his own other than the two mentioned above.

And even when Trump exercised his own authority on the above two subjects, he made so many enemies he was impeached twice for not starting wars, trying to expose Biden's rampant corruption in Ukraine, or costing American companies hundreds of billions in tariff taxes.

That is why DeSantis's claims of "running to the right" of Trump is pure lies, since DeSantis is a NeoCon who has stated he would support more military involvement in Ukraine, and he has always voted for "free" trade. You and I pay for free trade with higher income taxes. Taxes come from somewhere: if not tariffs than our pockets. Not to mention free trade killing off American jobs, which means free trade = higher taxes and fewer jobs.

Everything else is noise, DeSantis in DC would be faced with the exact same constraints all Presidents have, except on the two important issues above, and DeSantis is a straight downgrade from Trump on these two extremely critical issues. DeSantis would be as much of a warmonger as Biden, making him the WW3 candidate. DeSantis would also lift most tariffs (to make his billionaire donors even richer), resulting in an explosion of Federal Debt and Income taxes to cover the shortfall.

There's furthermore no reason to trust DeSantis, given how he ran to be Governor of Florida until 2026, and yet strongarms his own state to amend a law preventing him from running. Now the law says not only can DeSantis run, but if he loses he can still be Governor! Pure corruption at the highest level, the man has no character. Every Republican Floridian I've spoken to in the real world, not the internet, is pretty disgusted with DeSantis and after DeSantis loses Florida it will be over for him in the primaries (and the rest of his political career).