The E. Michael Jones thread

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
EMJ seems to have a conflict with Dave O'Reilly, who I wasn't aware actually worked for the guy.

He is really going to have to answer to this stuff as much as he prefers to dismiss it, you can't preach against Jews and then treat your own employees that way. A man needs a living wage to feed his family.

There also seems to be a rift between EMJ and his Son, almost like he is almost favouring his daughter. EMJ does suffer from boomerism.

No idea what is true or not, in the letter. But Culture Wars like any family business seems to have it's share of conflict.

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I dunno. E. Michael Jones sounds a bit crazy to me. Tends to romanticize the Catholic church too much. And what the fuck is a logos?
Brand new member here and don't want to come off as a tattle-tale or buzz kill. But isn't profanity against the forum rules?
Watch this video to answer your question re logos:
I would also recommend his latest book Logos Rising, but it is quite lengthy.
 
The Anglican Church also seems to ordain women as priests and bishops (though not all among its adherents agree with this). I'm mixed on the idea of letting priests marry. On the one hand it should cut down on any potential abuse, on the other hand I think it does distract from their work.

Regarding Protestantism, the biggest problem is sola fide, or "faith alone" doctrine. To quote a little wiki here:

"The doctrine of sola fide asserts God's pardon for guilty sinners is granted to and received through faith alone, excluding all "works".

Lutheran and Reformed churches have held to sola-fide justification in opposition to Roman Catholicism especially, but also in opposition to significant aspects of Eastern Orthodoxy. These Protestant churches exclude all human works (except the works of Jesus Christ, which form the basis of justification) from the legal verdict (or pardon) of justification. According to Martin Luther, justification by faith alone is the article on which the Church stands or falls. Thus, "faith alone" is foundational to Lutheranism and Reformed Christianity, and as a formula distinguishes it from other Christian denominations."

Omitting the works from the equation leads to a situation in which, obviously, one need not necessarily do any good, but just believe in Jesus and all will be well. Big stumbling block for me.

Then there's sola scriptura, which again is not enough considering the scriptures don't cover all aspects on life. Sola scriptura is not taught in the Bible. What's more, it discounts the human condition. There's a reason we have Supreme Courts and ongoing judgments in society today after the writing of the Constitution, for example.

The Reformation as a political movement with a theological justification written up after the fact is another one. We can debate about whether its looting of the monasteries was terrible, or a repeat of what the Church did to stored-up pagan wealth and labor. Two wrongs don't make a right, though.

Not saying the Church is perfect. However, in theory it better upholds traditional, conservative values in its teachings than the Protestant denominations, and it does not teach that Calvinism's (i.e. modern capitalism's/mercantilism's) state-sponsored-usury-based economics are acceptable. It also does not fall into the trap that the Baptists and Evangelicals do with worshiping the Jews as "God's chosen people," when the latter want nothing to do with Christians and generally consider them useful idiots at best. There's a reason the Jews especially dislike the Catholic Church. I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember when The Passion came out in theaters, but there's a reason that moment incensed them to the point that Larry David pissed on Christ's image on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
This is a quality post.

It has always been fashionable to hate on the Catholic Church, especially here on North American shores, where it never did wield as much power as the WASP elite.

What the Church has done for science, education/universities, philosophy, and the movement of Logos throughout history is astounding. It has saved many from barbarism in the new world and led them into the light. But the powers that be can't stand to show any respect or decency whatsoever towards it.

The Catholic Church is constantly mocked by Jewish pedo Hollywood comedians and actors for it's supposed mass child abuse. Funny how Hollywood isn't exactly a paragon of virtue, to put it mildly. The child abuse is the result of homosexuals infiltrating the clergy, not of the church itself. But the Jews have the power to basically do or say anything with impunity, and this is one of the best things about EMJ's work -- he's able to articulate these truths firmly and clearly.

Recently, over 50 churches have burned in Canada as a result of absurd and highly politicized claims of mass murder on the part of residential schools (run by Catholic and Anglican churches and the federal government) and no one has said or done anything. Meanwhile, if you sneeze in the general direction of a mosque or simply disagree with US foreign policy regarding Israel you are immediately guilty of a 'hate crime' and labelled an 'anti-semite'

Clown world.
 

Feyoder

Kingfisher

He is fundamentally and dangerously deluded on the issue of race. And it's a serious problem because there are a lot of young guys listening to him.

I'm wonder if there's more to the story that he's holding back and the guy, Reilly, comes off as reasonable and honest. Must have been incredibly hurt / betrayed to write an open letter like that.
 
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Traditional Catholicism has been Jewish enemy numero uno for centuries.
This is true.
Further, traditional Catholicism has been the main force keeping the Jews in check, so to speak.

As Jones says, Jewish is a negative identity: it means rejector of Christ. When you reject Christ, you reject the Logos / order of the universe. When you reject the order of the universe you become a revolutionary (Talmud/kaballah/mysticism, usury, communism/bolshevism, Frankfurt school, abortion, feminism, gay marriage, pornography, racial politics...)

There is a conflict between them that goes back to the foot of the cross, and it won't end until one group converts or the other ceases to exist.
 

Papist

Woodpecker
Live debate between E. Michael Jones and Jared Taylor:

 

P. D.

Pigeon
EMJ seems to have a conflict with Dave O'Reilly, who I wasn't aware actually worked for the guy.

He is really going to have to answer to this stuff as much as he prefers to dismiss it, you can't preach against Jews and then treat your own employees that way. A man needs a living wage to feed his family.

There also seems to be a rift between EMJ and his Son, almost like he is almost favouring his daughter. EMJ does suffer from boomerism.

No idea what is true or not, in the letter. But Culture Wars like any family business seems to have it's share of conflict.

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This explains a lot. EMJ had a bizarre reaction to Traditionis Custodes where he used it as pretext to attack traditional Catholicism as being a Jewish conspiracy. He appears to harbor malice towards anything remotely related to the SSPX. Probably treated this O'Reilly guy poorly out of spite.

Boomer tendencies indeed.
 

Papist

Woodpecker
Live debate between E. Michael Jones and Jared Taylor:

I have to say Jared Taylor's argument looked watertight, whilst EMJ's is a bit bizarre.
 
He is fundamentally and dangerously deluded on the issue of race. And it's a serious problem because there are a lot of young guys listening to him.

I'm wonder if there's more to the story that he's holding back and the guy, Reilly, comes off as reasonable and honest. Must have been incredibly hurt / betrayed to write an open letter like that.
I've heard this argument before, and it's mostly come from young zoomer Nick Fuentes types.

I don't mean that as a criticism, just as context. It seems to be a 'zoomer vs. boomer' war on the race thing.

My 2 cents on this is that many of the young guys who are more on the 'race is the most real thing!' side are also more on the 'Christianity made Europe weak!' side. Many seem to espouse a return to paganism and racial identity.
 

Papist

Woodpecker
Jared Taylor challenged EMJ's argument that Christianity created European culture, by comparing and contrasting Germany with Ethiopia, which he suggests have both been Christian for roughly the same time, and are both ~66% Christian.
 
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