Give EMJ some time and I believe he will hone this theory until it's bullet proof.
Yes, I don't think many Americans understand how awkward this term "white" is an a European context. At best, it's a synonym for the European American ethnicity, at worst it's used as identity politics to "unite" all Americans and Europeans under one umbrella. But such "white nationalists" do not seem to understand that traditional Europeans do not genereally even like Americans, and certainly don't wan't to buy into their political visions. Especially their clinical race fetichism of Europeans and European culture.Not sure about that. If you went to Nigeria and said to the people of that country "you're all black" they would probably have a slightly different opinion. "White" should only be used as comparative term, not defining one, yet we've all been forced by the elites to use it as the latter. It's especially idiotic when applied to the Europeans (EMJ lived in Europe for some time so he probably understands it better than the average American): I am a Polish Catholic and just because I have the same skin tone as a German Lutheran it doesn't mean I'd feel any particular connection with this person.
Especially in a country like Poland. If you ask a Pole about his race he will say he's Slavic, no one will automatically describe himself as white. Only the most rabid Jews would sometimes use it but it's just another proof that the term 'white' is a Jewish creation.Yes, I don't think many Americans understand how awkward this term "white" is an a European context.
I find the argument fascinating that because race is perceived differently in a completely different context it's supposedly a "category of the mind". It's not like poles don't acknowledge that they are different from Blacks, is it? Blacks in Germany tend to flock together I noticed, despite them being from completely different tribes, which conforms to the idea that there is some racial grounding to social preference. The IQ difference I guess is the most tangible thing, but there's plenty of evidence that most people will instinctively prefer social contacts more genetically similar to themselves than others, which, ironically, is itself a heritable trait, though also dependent on contextual factors. Thats why race becomes very important once you are dealing with groups of people instead of individuals. If a black guy is alone in a white society, his tribal instincts are not going to manifest, simply because they can't, same thing if it's the other way around. they do manifest in groups of people which is the whole crux of political debates.Not sure about that. If you went to Nigeria and said to the people of that country "you're all black" they would probably have a slightly different opinion. "White" should only be used as comparative term, not defining one, yet we've all been forced by the elites to use it as the latter. It's especially idiotic when applied to the Europeans (EMJ lived in Europe for some time so he probably understands it better than the average American): I am a Polish Catholic and just because I have the same skin tone as a German Lutheran it doesn't mean I'd feel any particular connection with this person.
Especially in a country like Poland. If you ask a Pole about his race he will say he's Slavic, no one will automatically describe himself as white. Only the most rabid Jews would sometimes use it but it's just another proof that the term 'white' is a Jewish creation.
Sometimes there is such a thing as a distinction without a difference.I’m not talking about “building an identity” on it, which I agree is not the correct course of action. I am talking about the stupidity of having every lever of power turned against you for being white while the people being attacked keep insisting that white isn’t a thing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a thing to you, it’s a thing to the people who hate you and refusing to understand this simple reality just puts you in a worse position to deal with it. You aren’t going to change their minds with rational discourse or distinctions about categories.
I’m not talking about “building an identity” on it, which I agree is not the correct course of action. I am talking about the stupidity of having every lever of power turned against you for being white while the people being attacked keep insisting that white isn’t a thing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a thing to you, it’s a thing to the people who hate you and refusing to understand this simple reality just puts you in a worse position to deal with it. You aren’t going to change their minds with rational discourse or distinctions about categories.
Totally agree. Hannah Arendt put it this way regarding WWII: "when attacked as a Jew, you have to defend yourself as one", and even though I'm not generally her biggest fan, I think she made a valid point there. The context was that she said that problems always arise when someone tries to deflect from an attack instead of taking on what the other person actually meant to point to, taking European Jews who would talk about anything but the actual JQ when problems of coexistence came up, instead pointing to some other convoluted explanation, like "it's really the bourgeoisie", "the capitalists" or some freudian horsecrap instead of addressing the original age old problem of different races with different faiths cohabitating.I’m not talking about “building an identity” on it, which I agree is not the correct course of action. I am talking about the stupidity of having every lever of power turned against you for being white while the people being attacked keep insisting that white isn’t a thing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a thing to you, it’s a thing to the people who hate you and refusing to understand this simple reality just puts you in a worse position to deal with it. You aren’t going to change their minds with rational discourse or distinctions about categories.
there is really no point in saying that you're not white because it comes across as weaselly.
There's no over-intellectualizing here because the "intellect" aspect was there from the start. The current "racial question" in the West is very different from the other racial conflicts that have existed since the beginning of humanity in that it involves social engineering and mass propaganda. A very bad use of intellect for sure, but intellect all the same.I don't see why one would over-intellectualize a conflict that is based in ethnocentrism and racial opportunism
How naive and disconnected from reality. I don't know where or when you're thinking of "saying no", because you won't be asked, your compliance will be simply demanded, and non-compliance is a mortal sin by today's rules. The only way back to freedom lies in questioning those rules, as EMJ does.when all you really have to do is say no to ridiculous demands and accusations.
Arabs and Chinese do it the same way and guess what, they have no problem with BLM nonsense.
Christianity is the real issue, not "race".
The fact of the matter is that I've tried the I'm not white comment.There is really no point in saying that you're not white because it comes across as weaselly. It "comes across as weaselly" to those who have "internalized the commands of their opressors" as EMJ often says, and are too weaselly to even try it.
There's no over-intellectualizing here because the "intellect" aspect was there from the start. The current "racial question" in the West is very different from the other racial conflicts that have existed since the beginning of humanity in that it involves social engineering and mass propaganda. A very bad use of intellect for sure, but intellect all the same.
If it were "just another racial conflict" as you absurdly claim, people would be free to discuss it.
How naive and disconnected from reality. I don't know where or when you're thinking of "saying no", because you won't be asked, your compliance will be simply demanded, and non-compliance is a mortal sin by today's rules. The only way back to freedom lies in questioning those rules, as EMJ does.
What do "Arabs and Chinese" have in common ? They're not Christian nations. This is yet more evidence that (as EMJ correctly claims) Christianity is the real issue, not "race".
People in America have been subjected to decades of Jewish programming and that's why all these people see white. They are already brainwashed. The social landscape has been nuked already. What Jones is doing is showing people a photo of it before the nuke hit in hope to make the nuke stop echoing back.The fact of the matter is that I've tried the I'm not white comment.
No one cares that my dad's family came here from Scotland and has been here for 200+ years. No one cares that the group is staunchly Presbyterian and had a very unique cultural tradition. No one cares. They see white.
No one cares that my mom's grand parents left Ukraine to escape the Bolsheviks and the Holodomor. No one cares that this group has a very unique cultural identity and Orthodox Tradition. No one cares. They see white.
Putin: white
Orban: White
Trump: white
Bolsonero: white
Merkel: white
Macron: white
None of the above are the same at all.
All are still categorized as White in America.
In Europe they recognize cultural differences. But in America, where Jones is making the argument from, skin color is the indicator, not culture.
The Triple melting pot theory is great in the 20s and 30s, but social engineering had destroyed those cultural seprerations between Irish/polish/Lithuanians ECT when it comes to the national dialogue.
Completely aware of that.People in America have been subjected to decades of Jewish programming and that's why all these people see white. They are already brainwashed. The social landscape has been nuked already. What Jones is doing is showing people a photo of it before the nuke hit in hope to make the nuke stop echoing back.
All good points from various posts here.Doesn't change the paradigm however.
Again, my position, having tried to make the I'm not white argument, is that a majority of white/non white people a like do not accept that white doesnt exist.
So either you can choose to not debate them at all or simply state that even though you don't believe it's correct to ignore differences within white culture, there is such a thing according to the public perception at large and argue from there about how there is nothing wrong about having white culture and positing that it is acceptable to have appreciation for the contributions to society that said culture had promoted.
We are all living in a system that is a product of the Magna Carta and the rejection of Aristocratic control (however corrupted it has become over the last couple hundred years) that all comes from a synthesis of Anglo culture with other Westen value sets. We can argue about the correctness of those at times, but we shouldn't ignore that this is the intellectual construction most are entering in when having the debate.
I deeply value Jones and his work on the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, Libido Dominandi, Barren Metal, and others...I've bern a culture wars subscriber for a couple years... I understand his argument, just don't think it's a practical one to make in the context of the American Public.
Largely true but they made some cool mud buildings too.Someone posted a funny meme in another thread where a black girl is demanding the trad Chad “decolonize this university!” Trad Chad says “ok, I decolonized it” and it goes from a stunning, old European building to a dilapidated mud shack lol.
I absolutely agree with you in terms of the motivation behind the propaganda project being to destroy Christianity. Whites are definitely the proxy target in order to destroy Christianity.There is really no point in saying that you're not white because it comes across as weaselly. It "comes across as weaselly" to those who have "internalized the commands of their opressors" as EMJ often says, and are too weaselly to even try it.
There's no over-intellectualizing here because the "intellect" aspect was there from the start. The current "racial question" in the West is very different from the other racial conflicts that have existed since the beginning of humanity in that it involves social engineering and mass propaganda. A very bad use of intellect for sure, but intellect all the same.
If it were "just another racial conflict" as you absurdly claim, people would be free to discuss it.
How naive and disconnected from reality. I don't know where or when you're thinking of "saying no", because you won't be asked, your compliance will be simply demanded, and non-compliance is a mortal sin by today's rules. The only way back to freedom lies in questioning those rules, as EMJ does.
What do "Arabs and Chinese" have in common ? They're not Christian nations. This is yet more evidence that (as EMJ correctly claims) Christianity is the real issue, not "race".
The Holy Ghost drew back the curtain hiding the future and revealed the Crucified when Noe blessed and cursed the nations — the races — in his three sons. The mighty movements of mankind then begun have continued till Noe, the second Adam, father of mankind, high priest and image of Jesus Christ, planted a vineyard, pressed the grapes and made wine. Not knowing its effect he took too much, lay naked in his tent, an image of our High Priest stripped of his garments, crucified, dead on the cross. (Gen. 9:21). Ham, Noe's second son mocked his father as the Jews mocked the dying Christ. His two other sons, Sem and Japheth with a cloak, covered their father's nakedness. (Gen. 9).
Rising from his sacrifice, Noe blessed and cursed, as Christ was to rise from the tomb after his sacrifice and bless his followers with the gift of the Holy Ghost, while the curse of his blood rested on the Jewish nation.
“Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” (Gen. 9:25). He could not curse Ham, for God had blessed the three sons and the curse rested on Canaan's children. Ham's sons settled Palestine, which they cursed with the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. But Ham's tribes settled Africa, and find their vocation as slaves and servants waiting on the white men. Cursed in the passion their father mocked in Noe, the African race love to serve as servants to the other races. Living since in deepest degradation, among them never rose religion, literature, invention, genius, or progress. The other races will not receive on an equality one in whose veins flows their tainted blood.
Prophetic words the Holy Ghost pronounced through Noe on the sons who covered him. “Blessed be the Lord God of Sem, let Canaan be his servant.” Thus he determined that the “Lord God," Jesus Christ would be born of Sem's race, the Jews. Christ's genealogy shows him as son of Sem. (Luke 3). He is the glory of the Jewish Semites. The other Semitic nations settled Asia, where they have remained stagnant, conservative, unprogressive, hardly improving since the patriarchs, for they were not blessed with the grace of change.
To Japheth: "The enlarging” or "The white man," Noe said "May God enlarge Japheth, and may he dwell in the tents of Sem, and Canaan be his servant." (Gen. 9:27). The Hebrew has here for "God " the word "Shekina," the Holy Ghost, who spoke through Noe and gave Japheth’s sons, the white races, that colonizing instinct, civilization, progress, advancement, invention, superiority — the unrest of bright minds which down the ages lifted them to the highest prosperity, culture and refinement. This is the reason the white men are so superior to the other races. God foresaw the Jews would reject Christ, that the white men would receive him, and thus he prepared them for their mission to receive the Gospel and carry on the Church.
Before this blessing Moses always mentioned these three brothers according to their age, Sem first and Japheth last; after the benediction the last is given first as the leader of the others. God later blessed the Jews through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the patriarchs, gave them the instinct of money-making that they might use the power of wealth in missionary labors. They rejected the call to Christianity when they killed Christ. But God works without repentance, the blessing still rests on them while the white races receive and administer the Church they refused.
“But God replied that it would not be so; that whoever should kill Cain should himself be punished sevenfold, and He placed a sign upon him that no one should slay him. Cain’s posterity gradually became colored. Cham’s children also were browner than those of Sem. The nobler races were always of a lighter color. They who were distinguished by a particular mark engendered children of the same stamp; and as corruption increased, the mark also increased until at last it covered the whole body, and people became darker and darker. But yet in the beginning there were no people perfectly black; they became so only by degrees.”
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“I saw the cursing of Cham. But Sem and Japhet received from Noe on their knees the Blessing. It was delivered to them with ceremonies similar to those used by Abraham when giving over the same Blessing to Isaac. I saw the curse pronounced by Noe upon Cham moving toward the latter like a black cloud and obscuring him. His skin lost its whiteness, he grew darker. His sin was the sin of sacrilege, the sin of one who would forcibly enter the Ark of the Covenant. I saw a most corrupt race descend from Cham and sink deeper and deeper in darkness. I see that the black, idolatrous, stupid nations are the descendants of Cham. Their color is due, not to the rays of the sun, but to the dark source whence those degraded races sprang.”
"....Racism is the idea that if anyone denies that there is perfect equality among the races, for example, if he says that Black people, taken as a group, are not equal in every aspect to other racial groups, that is racism, and that man is a racist. And any action taken or omitted on the basis of this supposed inequality is discrimination. According to this view, justice condemns all forms of discrimination, because all men are equal, and all men have equal rights. Any form of discrimination, which is treating people differently because they are of a different race, is both an act of injustice, and an act of uncharitableness.
“We now live in the ‘brave new world,’ where our very thoughts are subject to legislation by those who mew about being ready to die for the right of every man to his opinion. Racism is the sin and crime of even imagining that all races of people are not equal, and treating members of a particular race as if they are different, or not acting toward them as if they are not equal and even identical. Before commenting on the morality or immorality of racism, we should make the following remarks:
1. We advert to the fact, first of all, that whenever we speak of "discrimination," we have discontinued speaking as Christians and begun to speak as Liberals, Marxists, socialists, Communists, Jews, and the like...."
"On the contrary:
1. All men are not equal, nor are they identical. As St. Paul says: "One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, and another the glory of the stars. For star differeth from star in glory." (I Cor. 15:41).
2.The races are not equal, and the doctrine that they are equal is as insidious as it is wrong. And the effort to teach all men that they are equal is as wicked as all that is done to implement the error is inhumane. The only way that men could be considered equal and identical is that they be considered as nothing else but possessions and resources of the State, and as economic units, as things to be managed and used, as mouths which the State must feed, as beings who have no rights..."