The E. Michael Jones thread

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
Really ? I was unaware of that, and I'm curious if you can refer me to a source for this
it was implicit in his talk on the conversion of the Jews with Brother Augustine, after which he rejected a talk with Jay, who noticed it. Given that EMJ is otherwise pretty promiscuous in terms of his choice of interviewers, it's pretty clear that he just didn't want to allow for that discussion, period. The state church thing, I'm not exactly sure where he mentioned it, I think it might have been in one of his talks with Patrick Coffin. He also did a talk with a Canadian Indian guy with whom he agreed that the Brahman (I think that was it) is an equally valuable concept as the Christian Logos. He has this boomer thing where he desperately wants to be down with the brown.
He did write a great little book on the manipulation of black culture in the 1970s, called "Niggas in Denial", but to him that's all there is with regards to racial differences.
 

JoeChill

Woodpecker
Protestant
Gold Member
I've often wondered, what will happen to Culture Wars once Dr. Jones is unable to continue? Does he have a successor in the wings? Dr. Jones is easily my favourite Catholic content creator and I would hate to see the good work that Culture Wars is doing end with him.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
I've often wondered, what will happen to Culture Wars once Dr. Jones is unable to continue? Does he have a successor in the wings? Dr. Jones is easily my favourite Catholic content creator and I would hate to see the good work that Culture Wars is doing end with him.

I think it'll go to his daughter. In a kind of boomer way, he had a falling out with Dave Reilly and basically kicked him to the curb. Reilly to me represents the next generation so to speak.

Dave Reilly who is a Trad Catholic (SSPX) was a bit spurned by the situation. Apparently EMJ, the believer in labour is the source of all value was a bit of a cheap ass, but really who knows. Still planning on buying the updated Jewish Rev Spirit.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I think it'll go to his daughter. In a kind of boomer way, he had a falling out with Dave Reilly and basically kicked him to the curb. Reilly to me represents the next generation so to speak.

Dave Reilly who is a Trad Catholic (SSPX) was a bit spurned by the situation. Apparently EMJ, the believer in labour is the source of all value was a bit of a cheap ass, but really who knows. Still planning on buying the updated Jewish Rev Spirit.
The guy has always rubbed me the wrong way, although he clearly has some things right. I can't entirely blame him, since he has talents and we as right leaners (or whatever we are) tend to be hard about holding the line, whatever the line is that we believe in.

But, he's the stereotypical stodgy Roman Catholic that doesn't know a lot about the early church and in particular how shady Roman Catholicism has been - I get along just fine with RCs but at some point you have to be at least somewhat honest about all the crap they threw at the wall, and how they are largely, in the modern day, anti-protestant reactionaries. And yes, he seems like a total cheap ass boomer, who probably knows how lucky he is to have been born when he was, but won't really admit it.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
EMJ Debating Porn with Vaush tonight.

Going to tune in even though EMJ isn't the best debater, he just can't lose here.



Vaush is the most disingenuous person in the world to debate. All of his arguments will boil down to, "if I feel like doing something, I should be able to do it." His audience is compromised of coomers, troons and BolsheLARPers.

Debating him and his audience on the harms porn is akin to telling Pablo Escobar he shouldn't deal drugs.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
Vaush is the most disingenuous person in the world to debate. All of his arguments will boil down to, "if I feel like doing something, I should be able to do it." His audience is compromised of coomers, troons and BolsheLARPers.

Debating him and his audience on the harms porn is akin to telling Pablo Escobar he shouldn't deal drugs.

Yes, I didn't know too much about him before this other than he was a communist creeper. He's very facetious and infantile in his responses. I suppose it's hard to find a normal person who will argue 'for' porn.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
He did write a great little book on the manipulation of black culture in the 1970s, called "Niggas in Denial", but to him that's all there is with regards to racial differences.
Hi, Raskolnikov, I am not familiar with that book, but I want to reply to the last part of your sentence.

What I took away from EMJ in general after watching many interviews during the past few years, where he often said the difference between Germany and Tanzania in the 20th century was 1,000 years of Christianity (see the bingo card on this page), was that he was focusing on solutions, and that he thought Christianity trumps race.

I believe he explicitly said this with more clarity in his debate with Jared Taylor, where he explained that a person could become part of a new culture through assimilation, learning the language, etc., but he also explicitly admitted that there were limits to how many could do that in one place at one time. That's the only time I've heard him grant this because it basically puts him on the losing side of such a debate.

EMJ is the most prominent Christian voice I'm familiar with, who speaks in the circles where people dare to discuss race realism and/or Jews (Jared Taylor might not be as realistic on that as EMJ), so I do appreciate his theory. If I extrapolate it a bit, I take it to mean that through Christianity some parts of the multi-cultural groups in the USA could find common ground. I recognize that on paper it seems unlikely for certain people to do that since it hasn't been the norm after centuries of living here, but nothing is impossible for God.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
Jones didn't do the best job, but this Vaush guy is repulsive. He's like a mix of a young Barney Frank, a smug homosexual congressman who always always on his high horse about religious conservatives as he had a male prostitute running a brothel out of his house, and Hugh Hefner, smoking his pipe and intoning ominously about Puritan America. "Hef" eventually ending up paying women to service him in a filthy mansion.

It's amazing how often guys like Vaush use moral argumentation while denying any basis for it. Without God, there isn't a way to argue the morality of anything without it winding back to "that's just your opinion, you accident of nature who arose from the primordial goo."
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Vaush is one of the most popular socialist/leftist "Breadtube" guys that rose on Youtube in the last few years in response to a lot of the right wing Youtube people like Paul Watson and Lauren Southern that got big in the mid 2010s. His smugness and filthiness is part of his brand - he's parroting the style of the Chapo Traphouse "dirtbag socialist" types. His audience is mostly zoomers and they gravitate towards his style in the same way young people gravitated towards pol/8ch memes from about 6-7 years ago.
 

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
Hi, Raskolnikov, I am not familiar with that book, but I want to reply to the last part of your sentence.

What I took away from EMJ in general after watching many interviews during the past few years, where he often said the difference between Germany and Tanzania in the 20th century was 1,000 years of Christianity (see the bingo card on this page), was that he was focusing on solutions, and that he thought Christianity trumps race.

I believe he explicitly said this with more clarity in his debate with Jared Taylor, where he explained that a person could become part of a new culture through assimilation, learning the language, etc., but he also explicitly admitted that there were limits to how many could do that in one place at one time. That's the only time I've heard him grant this because it basically puts him on the losing side of such a debate.

EMJ is the most prominent Christian voice I'm familiar with, who speaks in the circles where people dare to discuss race realism and/or Jews (Jared Taylor might not be as realistic on that as EMJ), so I do appreciate his theory. If I extrapolate it a bit, I take it to mean that through Christianity some parts of the multi-cultural groups in the USA could find common ground. I recognize that on paper it seems unlikely for certain people to do that since it hasn't been the norm after centuries of living here, but nothing is impossible for God.
I think the trouble with that is that Christianity will never be the rule for most people. Somebody has to put his boot on somebody else's neck, that's how multiracial societies work (for the limited time that they do). Of course the Christians are united beyond races, that's what will happen after our resurrection, but for now we have to view everything in light of our fallen nature, which is tribal, for other people more so than for whites. Obviously a society can absorb very small numbers of migrants, but even that seems to have some kind of filtering process as a prerequisite.
Here in Germany you can tell that being black while nominally Christian seems to be almost as much of a hindrance to integration as being conservative muslim. Perhaps more in some cases. Multiracialism comes from a bad place, and in a country with intact communities and good leadership it wouldn't happen at all. Do I think that mere racial separatism is the answer? No, there should probably be a priority on religion. Does religion solve the racial issue? No, why would it. If you view a group with common ancestry as an extension of your family, you might just as well ask if you can make patchwork families work with Christianity.
The point obviously being that yes, if you are in that situation, Christ will be necessary to make anything work, but given a proper Christian setting it wouldn't happen to begin with. And what do you do in an involuntary patchwork family, where the white adoptive father is hated by everyone and people plan to kill and usurp him because they can't accept his guiding style? Well, I think none of us would fault him for getting the hell away from them, particularly if he never should have started taking them in his care to begin with and they are trying to destroy his body and soul.
I hope you catch my drift there homeboy, I'm trying to speak in useful analogies.
 

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
I think the trouble with that is that Christianity will never be the rule for most people. Somebody has to put his boot on somebody else's neck, that's how multiracial societies work (for the limited time that they do). Of course the Christians are united beyond races, that's what will happen after our resurrection, but for now we have to view everything in light of our fallen nature, which is tribal, for other people more so than for whites. Obviously a society can absorb very small numbers of migrants, but even that seems to have some kind of filtering process as a prerequisite.
Here in Germany you can tell that being black while nominally Christian seems to be almost as much of a hindrance to integration as being conservative muslim. Perhaps more in some cases. Multiracialism comes from a bad place, and in a country with intact communities and good leadership it wouldn't happen at all. Do I think that mere racial separatism is the answer? No, there should probably be a priority on religion. Does religion solve the racial issue? No, why would it. If you view a group with common ancestry as an extension of your family, you might just as well ask if you can make patchwork families work with Christianity.
The point obviously being that yes, if you are in that situation, Christ will be necessary to make anything work, but given a proper Christian setting it wouldn't happen to begin with. And what do you do in an involuntary patchwork family, where the white adoptive father is hated by everyone and people plan to kill and usurp him because they can't accept his guiding style? Well, I think none of us would fault him for getting the hell away from them, particularly if he never should have started taking them in his care to begin with and they are trying to destroy his body and soul.
I hope you catch my drift there homeboy, I'm trying to speak in useful analogies.
that being said, God obviously can make anything work, but particularly from an eschatological perspective, I don't think we should expect any type of mass conversion that will bring peace to an apostate society
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
he [EMJ] seems like a total cheap ass boomer, who probably knows how lucky he is to have been born when he was, but won't really admit it.

Indeed. Given the size of EMJ's audience and the inspiring nature of his work, I don't think it's a question of lack of potiental successors or of lack of talent among those. If we never hear about anything in that direction on the Culture wars website, it's because EMJ doesn't want to deal with it.

In that regard, EMJ is more of an individualistic self-made man, a representative of the American dream, than a fully Christian intellectual.

Closely related is his "Just get baptized and everything will be fine" (that should be on the EMJ bingo also), a kind of blurring the distinction between salvation and material success.

What I find far more Christian is Roosh's detachment from his past successful career as a PUA and his quote "[Wordly] success becomes increasingly meaningless for a Christian who grows in his faith" (I don't remember the exact words).
 

easterbunny2020

Pigeon
Catholic
I've often wondered, what will happen to Culture Wars once Dr. Jones is unable to continue? Does he have a successor in the wings? Dr. Jones is easily my favourite Catholic content creator and I would hate to see the good work that Culture Wars is doing end with him.
Thought the same last night when reading Dec/Jan issues of CW. December's is a must read for this wanting more detail on the holohoax.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The point obviously being that yes, if you are in that situation, Christ will be necessary to make anything work, but given a proper Christian setting it wouldn't happen to begin with. And what do you do in an involuntary patchwork family, where the white adoptive father is hated by everyone and people plan to kill and usurp him because they can't accept his guiding style? Well, I think none of us would fault him for getting the hell away from them, particularly if he never should have started taking them in his care to begin with and they are trying to destroy his body and soul.
These are great points. We have done the experiments and they don't work. We tried, and failed. Now it's ironic that they don't want to let the (white) man go (and do his own thing with his own "people" whatever that means) because he is the most competent in making high civilization and material "progress" - though they'll never admit it. It's not a value judgment except for the fact that nearly all people (from all four corners of the Earth) obviously will do anything to get to the civilizations that europeans create, which betrays their position and argument of egalitarianism. Whether that matters or not - in a cosmological sense- is irrelevant; it's an objective, verifiable fact.
 
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