The Edward Snowden Thread
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Robin
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
They're organizing protests in several major cities.
tentative Declaration of Arms: http://pastebin.com/rK1HZaPe
Forum: http://z13.invisionfree.com/PRISM_protests/index.php?act=idx
Some of the ground rules they're going with right now:
- planning to stay solely focused on this, with potential to branch to other issues only after success so we don't go the way of the Occupy movement
- not calling ourselves anonymous
- not forcing a dress code
- not branching out to other topics for this protest
And they already have a logo, which is really a great way to brand the movement and get people's minds focused on a singular objective:
kbell said:
They're organizing protests in several major cities.
tentative Declaration of Arms: http://pastebin.com/rK1HZaPe
Forum: http://z13.invisionfree.com/PRISM_protests/index.php?act=idx
Some of the ground rules they're going with right now:
- planning to stay solely focused on this, with potential to branch to other issues only after success so we don't go the way of the Occupy movement
- not calling ourselves anonymous
- not forcing a dress code
- not branching out to other topics for this protest
And they already have a logo, which is really a great way to brand the movement and get people's minds focused on a singular objective:
calidude
Robin
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
I decided to get an idea what the average liberal American thinks about the leak and it's only disgusting. These people are saying what Snowden did is treason and he's just trying to discredit Obama. Reaidng the commennts on the HufPo are infuriating, I honestly think that this country is lost. Hers's the article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-whistleblower-nsa-revelations_n_3412245.html
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I decided to get an idea what the average liberal American thinks about the leak and it's only disgusting. These people are saying what Snowden did is treason and he's just trying to discredit Obama. Reaidng the commennts on the HufPo are infuriating, I honestly think that this country is lost. Hers's the article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-whistleblower-nsa-revelations_n_3412245.html
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RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
I call on Roosh to send Edward Snowden a special hand-signed gift:
If you're going up against the government, your best bet is getting big business on your side: https://www.linkedin.com/today/post...-destroy-the-u-s-internet-industry?_mSplash=1
I call on Roosh to send Edward Snowden a special hand-signed gift:
If you're going up against the government, your best bet is getting big business on your side: https://www.linkedin.com/today/post...-destroy-the-u-s-internet-industry?_mSplash=1
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Unfortunately the only alternative political options are Tea Party/Libertarian types. They may be good on personal freedom matters, but on economic issues they suck to me. They don't care about things like affordable health care or the rising gap between the haves and have-nots.
Unfortunately the only alternative political options are Tea Party/Libertarian types. They may be good on personal freedom matters, but on economic issues they suck to me. They don't care about things like affordable health care or the rising gap between the haves and have-nots.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
I wouldn't recommend for him to seek an asylum in Iceland. He could end up with a false rape allegation just like Assange did. If he could stay in Hong Kong, that would be the best for him.
I wouldn't recommend for him to seek an asylum in Iceland. He could end up with a false rape allegation just like Assange did. If he could stay in Hong Kong, that would be the best for him.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
This dude needs to write a book detailing exactly how PRISM and the surveillance apparatus in general works. That would be his best revenge against the NSA/CIA/FBI/etc since it would force them to declassify large parts of these surveillance programs. Plus, he would make some extra money off this fiasco since such a book would easily sell millions of copies. A win-win.
This dude needs to write a book detailing exactly how PRISM and the surveillance apparatus in general works. That would be his best revenge against the NSA/CIA/FBI/etc since it would force them to declassify large parts of these surveillance programs. Plus, he would make some extra money off this fiasco since such a book would easily sell millions of copies. A win-win.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
I'm interested in seeing if this pick of Hong Kong ends up being a wise choice for Snowden. The decision is either brilliant or very naive. I probably wouldn't have gone there. There aren't many, if any, nice places where an American can go if on the run from the government since most countries have extradition treaties with the US. Even for the ones that don't, like China, improving or maintaining good relations with the US government is often an important priority. In light of the Chinese Premier's visit to the US, I find it unlikely that China, which has de facto veto power over decisions in Hong Kong (a place that has an extradition treaty with the US), would stick its neck out for this guy, since improving relations is a key purpose of the trip.
Below is a map of countries that have extradition treaties with the US government (shown in blue). Even for the countries that don't have extradition treaties, many of them have good relations with the US government and strategic military, economic and political ties, and may choose to extradite an American citizen on the run; they often do.
I'm interested in seeing if this pick of Hong Kong ends up being a wise choice for Snowden. The decision is either brilliant or very naive. I probably wouldn't have gone there. There aren't many, if any, nice places where an American can go if on the run from the government since most countries have extradition treaties with the US. Even for the ones that don't, like China, improving or maintaining good relations with the US government is often an important priority. In light of the Chinese Premier's visit to the US, I find it unlikely that China, which has de facto veto power over decisions in Hong Kong (a place that has an extradition treaty with the US), would stick its neck out for this guy, since improving relations is a key purpose of the trip.
Below is a map of countries that have extradition treaties with the US government (shown in blue). Even for the countries that don't have extradition treaties, many of them have good relations with the US government and strategic military, economic and political ties, and may choose to extradite an American citizen on the run; they often do.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
His bigger problem right now is that he is running out of money. He needs to quickly find a wealthy benefactor who will pay for his living expenses in exchange for information about the US surveillance state. China or Russia could pay him for detailed info on how to hack these programs.
His bigger problem right now is that he is running out of money. He needs to quickly find a wealthy benefactor who will pay for his living expenses in exchange for information about the US surveillance state. China or Russia could pay him for detailed info on how to hack these programs.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
brave man, he has principles. he can see the onset of an orwellian dystopia when he sees it and wouldn't be cowed into silence.
brave man, he has principles. he can see the onset of an orwellian dystopia when he sees it and wouldn't be cowed into silence.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Andorra doesn't have an extradition agreement, then again, its landlocked and contains no airport, and to gain permanent residency you have to invest $400,000 into real estate. I'm also not completely sure if since the country is protected equally by Spain and France if those countries' extradition agreements are applied.
Andorra doesn't have an extradition agreement, then again, its landlocked and contains no airport, and to gain permanent residency you have to invest $400,000 into real estate. I'm also not completely sure if since the country is protected equally by Spain and France if those countries' extradition agreements are applied.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Where were these trolls when Bush started the ball rolling on this stuff? Obama just sped up the pace but this ideology trolls are fools for even thinking this is partisan.
Americans don't know about the NSA because it's only around to spy on them. It was purged decades of its original mandate and has simply been a data miner and scrubber now for the past 20years.
The NSA and Google share a tight relationship. Googles approaches to data concilidation and access are mirrored or nearly the same to what happens at the NSA. Many people say that the relatinshisp is so close, and its sonhard to divide what they do it ends up that Google IS the NSA.
I was warning people about his stuff 4 years ago and now it's reached the "mainstream" and lately i've stopped trying to blast the warning horns for Americans. I'm not sure what will be the event or instance that gets Americans to wake up and take action, but it's long overdue and needs to happen soon.
Your money, guns, and freedoms are all actively now trying to be taking away. The end game is a totalitarian government with men in the crosshairs.
[/quote]calidude said:
Where were these trolls when Bush started the ball rolling on this stuff? Obama just sped up the pace but this ideology trolls are fools for even thinking this is partisan.
Americans don't know about the NSA because it's only around to spy on them. It was purged decades of its original mandate and has simply been a data miner and scrubber now for the past 20years.
The NSA and Google share a tight relationship. Googles approaches to data concilidation and access are mirrored or nearly the same to what happens at the NSA. Many people say that the relatinshisp is so close, and its sonhard to divide what they do it ends up that Google IS the NSA.
I was warning people about his stuff 4 years ago and now it's reached the "mainstream" and lately i've stopped trying to blast the warning horns for Americans. I'm not sure what will be the event or instance that gets Americans to wake up and take action, but it's long overdue and needs to happen soon.
Your money, guns, and freedoms are all actively now trying to be taking away. The end game is a totalitarian government with men in the crosshairs.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
:mindblown:
kosko said:
:mindblown:
A War You Cannot Win
Kingfisher
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Doesn't surprise me. The thought that you may at least be partially accountable for your own security is anathema to your common liberal, so of course they're going to think Big Brother is a good thing.
Doesn't surprise me. The thought that you may at least be partially accountable for your own security is anathema to your common liberal, so of course they're going to think Big Brother is a good thing.
Scarlet_Terror
Robin
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Better than nanny-government redistributionists who think you can solve all the worlds problems with higher taxes and more wasteful social programs.
Better than nanny-government redistributionists who think you can solve all the worlds problems with higher taxes and more wasteful social programs.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
He should head to Russia. Good chance of finding a benefactor there. Plus with nothing but cold relations with the USA for the foreseeable future it's unlikely that he'll ever be handed over. And it'll also be a huge DHV with Russian women.
Hencredible Casanova said:I'm interested in seeing if this pick of Hong Kong ends up being a wise choice for Snowden. The decision is either brilliant or very naive. I probably wouldn't have gone there. There aren't many, if any, nice places where an American can go if on the run from the government since most countries have extradition treaties with the US. Even for the ones that don't, like China, improving or maintaining good relations with the US government is often an important priority. In light of the Chinese Premier's visit to the US, I find it unlikely that China, which has de facto veto power over decisions in Hong Kong (a place that has an extradition treaty with the US), would stick its neck out for this guy, since improving relations is a key purpose of the trip.
Below is a map of countries that have extradition treaties with the US government (shown in blue). Even for the countries that don't have extradition treaties, many of them have good relations with the US government and strategic military, economic and political ties, and may choose to extradite an American citizen on the run; they often do.
He should head to Russia. Good chance of finding a benefactor there. Plus with nothing but cold relations with the USA for the foreseeable future it's unlikely that he'll ever be handed over. And it'll also be a huge DHV with Russian women.
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
I see all these liberal techies fuming about their right to privacy, which is all well and good, but then they turn around and want to prevent anyone but the state from taking action against villains in our midst. The more you limit the legal use of force to only police, the more you need a surveillance state to compensate for the inability of citizens to take action. The police state is the polar opposite of the vigilante state (and I don't use that word that as a pejorative, though it almost always is).
If there are bad guys, and you want order, protection has to come from somewhere - it's either going to be an armed citizenry, a specialized police force, or some balance of the two
A War You Cannot Win said:
I see all these liberal techies fuming about their right to privacy, which is all well and good, but then they turn around and want to prevent anyone but the state from taking action against villains in our midst. The more you limit the legal use of force to only police, the more you need a surveillance state to compensate for the inability of citizens to take action. The police state is the polar opposite of the vigilante state (and I don't use that word that as a pejorative, though it almost always is).
If there are bad guys, and you want order, protection has to come from somewhere - it's either going to be an armed citizenry, a specialized police force, or some balance of the two
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
He would be prime target for the KGB, or maybe not let in at all. In this situation being a prime intelligence target and going to a nation that does no have easy relations is a double edged sword. Your either targeted as a possible infiltrator or they will try to protect you in hopes you can be recruited by them.
speakeasy said:Hencredible Casanova said:I'm interested in seeing if this pick of Hong Kong ends up being a wise choice for Snowden. The decision is either brilliant or very naive. I probably wouldn't have gone there. There aren't many, if any, nice places where an American can go if on the run from the government since most countries have extradition treaties with the US. Even for the ones that don't, like China, improving or maintaining good relations with the US government is often an important priority. In light of the Chinese Premier's visit to the US, I find it unlikely that China, which has de facto veto power over decisions in Hong Kong (a place that has an extradition treaty with the US), would stick its neck out for this guy, since improving relations is a key purpose of the trip.
Below is a map of countries that have extradition treaties with the US government (shown in blue). Even for the countries that don't have extradition treaties, many of them have good relations with the US government and strategic military, economic and political ties, and may choose to extradite an American citizen on the run; they often do.
He should head to Russia. Good chance of finding a benefactor there. Plus with nothing but cold relations with the USA for the foreseeable future it's unlikely that he'll ever be handed over. And it'll also be a huge DHV with Russian women.
He would be prime target for the KGB, or maybe not let in at all. In this situation being a prime intelligence target and going to a nation that does no have easy relations is a double edged sword. Your either targeted as a possible infiltrator or they will try to protect you in hopes you can be recruited by them.
Architekt
Ostrich
RE: NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden In His Own Words
Mr Snowden deserves a statue erected in his honour.
Fuck government entirely. Who the fuck do they think they are to tell people what to do? The whole system is fucking ridiculous. Any man should be able to challenge the decisions of the government. There is nothing they can possibly do, that will benefit a population larger than their own office - or anyone that isn't a part of that office, for that matter.
Which chimp governs whether other chimps are allowed to throw their shit at each other? Or says that some chimps can't throw their shit, and ones that do will either be locked on a cage, or have shit thrown at them, should they persist? Which chimp says that chimps aren't allowed to throw shit in public?
None of them do.
Have the chimps thrown so much shit at each other that they've managed to wipe their species out?
No.
Have the chimps got a complex governmental system that keeps them from doing so?
No.
Have humans, at any point in history, thrown so much shit at each other that the species has died out?
No.
Society has been capable of solving society's problems for so many millenia. Why in the name of jesus fucking christ do we need some stupid cunt, projected into our retinas from the flattest screen we can find, to tell us what we can and can't do now? We're not fucking retards. We are capable of looking after ourselves. We don't need a government - especially one that does nothing but oppress our speech and thought - controlling us. As far as I'm concerned, every last politician should be burnt. They're fucking scum.
Mr Snowden deserves a statue erected in his honour.
Fuck government entirely. Who the fuck do they think they are to tell people what to do? The whole system is fucking ridiculous. Any man should be able to challenge the decisions of the government. There is nothing they can possibly do, that will benefit a population larger than their own office - or anyone that isn't a part of that office, for that matter.
Which chimp governs whether other chimps are allowed to throw their shit at each other? Or says that some chimps can't throw their shit, and ones that do will either be locked on a cage, or have shit thrown at them, should they persist? Which chimp says that chimps aren't allowed to throw shit in public?
None of them do.
Have the chimps thrown so much shit at each other that they've managed to wipe their species out?
No.
Have the chimps got a complex governmental system that keeps them from doing so?
No.
Have humans, at any point in history, thrown so much shit at each other that the species has died out?
No.
Society has been capable of solving society's problems for so many millenia. Why in the name of jesus fucking christ do we need some stupid cunt, projected into our retinas from the flattest screen we can find, to tell us what we can and can't do now? We're not fucking retards. We are capable of looking after ourselves. We don't need a government - especially one that does nothing but oppress our speech and thought - controlling us. As far as I'm concerned, every last politician should be burnt. They're fucking scum.
