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Where is our resident muslim spin doctor?
The End of Tolerance for Islam in Germany?
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BortimusPrime
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I don't like the sound of these 'ere Boncentration Bamps.
DjembaDjemba
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Multiculturalism was invented by the Western leaders to appease their spooked out voters following the end of legal segregation. Multiculturalism is the opposite of integration, but I believe many voters of European decent are more hostile to full blown integration than they are to the 'separate but equal' multi cultural societies of today.
If people wanted integration they should've have it already.
Integration means mixed marriages, mixed neighborhoods, mixed kids, mixed schools. Multiple cultures dissappear or merge and it becomes one culture.
Some peoples integrate quicker but it's due to stronger push pull,. Majority wants them to integrate, and they want to integrate. Some others not so much.
Sometimes I don't understand what people of different viewpoints are protesting. Is it Islam, integration, immigration, multiculturalism? I think people themselves don't even know anymore.
If people wanted integration they should've have it already.
Integration means mixed marriages, mixed neighborhoods, mixed kids, mixed schools. Multiple cultures dissappear or merge and it becomes one culture.
Some peoples integrate quicker but it's due to stronger push pull,. Majority wants them to integrate, and they want to integrate. Some others not so much.
Sometimes I don't understand what people of different viewpoints are protesting. Is it Islam, integration, immigration, multiculturalism? I think people themselves don't even know anymore.
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The people demonstrating in Dresden are trolls.
A staggering 0.4 percent of the population in Dresden are Muslims.
0.4...
Clearly, the takeover of this part of Germany by Islamic State splinter groups is imminent.
In most other German cities that have significantly larger Muslim communities like Düsseldorf, the anti-Islam crowd could mobilize far less support. People in Dresden are notoriously more racist and close-minded, even in a historical perspective. In Communist times, the city and the surrounding areas were called "valley of the know-nothings" by other East Germans because it was situated in a dead zone were people couldn't receive West German television shows. I recently read an article, that basically said the anti-semitic legislation of 19th century Germany was the harshest and most intolerant in Dresden which had a tiny Jewish community at that time, smaller than in most other German cities. So, there is a tradition in that place of being existentially threatened by statistically negligible parts of society.
You have to understand that these people do not really care about Islam or religious fundamentalism. Their politics are based on feelings not on solid arguments. If you look at interviews with demonstrators a cloudy and vague unease brings them together. They feel that they are the losers of the reunification (true, in a way), that politicians don't give a shit about their anxieties (true, but it was never any different) and that asylum seekers receive better welfare benefits than they (certainly not true). You can't argue with these people, facts are not relevant to them. For instance, if you tell them that more Turks leave Germany for Turkey, than new Turkish immigrants come to us, they won't believe you, even if you present them the official data.
Now, I believe, too, that Islamism is a serious threat--not just to Europe but to everyone who values liberty. But I think that the people who are most endangered by Islamists currently live in Syria, Nigeria, Pakistan or Afghanistan and not in Dresden. If there will ever ISIS-style militias rolling through the streets of Germany or Islamic political parties trying to enforce their rule on us, I will not hesitate to take up arms. I just don't see this happen in Germany anytime soon. France or some parts of the UK is a different story, though.
Here are by the way some more genuine protesters against Islamization that I fully support: http://www.teachersolidarity.com/bl...rs-arrested-campaigning-for-secular-education
A staggering 0.4 percent of the population in Dresden are Muslims.
0.4...
Clearly, the takeover of this part of Germany by Islamic State splinter groups is imminent.
In most other German cities that have significantly larger Muslim communities like Düsseldorf, the anti-Islam crowd could mobilize far less support. People in Dresden are notoriously more racist and close-minded, even in a historical perspective. In Communist times, the city and the surrounding areas were called "valley of the know-nothings" by other East Germans because it was situated in a dead zone were people couldn't receive West German television shows. I recently read an article, that basically said the anti-semitic legislation of 19th century Germany was the harshest and most intolerant in Dresden which had a tiny Jewish community at that time, smaller than in most other German cities. So, there is a tradition in that place of being existentially threatened by statistically negligible parts of society.
You have to understand that these people do not really care about Islam or religious fundamentalism. Their politics are based on feelings not on solid arguments. If you look at interviews with demonstrators a cloudy and vague unease brings them together. They feel that they are the losers of the reunification (true, in a way), that politicians don't give a shit about their anxieties (true, but it was never any different) and that asylum seekers receive better welfare benefits than they (certainly not true). You can't argue with these people, facts are not relevant to them. For instance, if you tell them that more Turks leave Germany for Turkey, than new Turkish immigrants come to us, they won't believe you, even if you present them the official data.
Now, I believe, too, that Islamism is a serious threat--not just to Europe but to everyone who values liberty. But I think that the people who are most endangered by Islamists currently live in Syria, Nigeria, Pakistan or Afghanistan and not in Dresden. If there will ever ISIS-style militias rolling through the streets of Germany or Islamic political parties trying to enforce their rule on us, I will not hesitate to take up arms. I just don't see this happen in Germany anytime soon. France or some parts of the UK is a different story, though.
Here are by the way some more genuine protesters against Islamization that I fully support: http://www.teachersolidarity.com/bl...rs-arrested-campaigning-for-secular-education
Parlay44 said:
Could be :s
The sad thing is that all the "Pegida-Demonstration" just stoke more hatred at the Turks/Arabs.. Till now u can walk through the districts where they are settled down without anxiety but maybe that will change?? I don't know..
Maybe a little offtopic as for now:
I also don't know exactly why and when this "Pegida" stuff rose but in my oppinion this has something to do with all the refugees which Germany absorbs right now.
The thing is also that you can forget the media. They entitle the whole demonstations at "neo-Nazi marchs" or "Nazi-Demos" which is not 100% correct if you read impartial newspapers.
Where I live they want to accomodate around 400 refugees in a little container village like this:
The residents don't want to have them there so they go on the street and demonstrate - media quotes that the "Nazis" demonstrate again against the refugees. Look at the placards...
Orange placard: "We are residents no Nazis"
The left sector sends his "troops" to disturb them by throwing bottles and stuff. Thats the reason why the woman wears a helm:
On the other side there are groups who a pro refugees:
And than, sadly, there are the wannbe-Nazis:
And at this point you have completly lost the overview of what is going on in Germany :dodgy: It's like the proxy wars in Africa or Middle East where you don't know who is with whom and so on.
The refugees are this victims of all that at the end. I will see how my district will develope in the near future with 400 refugees, hopefully peaceful although the chances are low.
Just my 2 cents.
No no no no no.
It's just that these people get a lot of attention. They are the polar opposite to the "bad muslim" who gets all the attention, while the majority of muslims are rational and peaceful.
10,000 people isn't a "major" demonstration. These neo-nazi fuckers gathered from all of Germany for this "event". That wasn't 10,000 people from Dresden.
Some of the time there are anti-demonstrations which are bigger than the original ones.
Sure the sentiment is around. Times are uncertain and a lot of fear comes through the media. But if not out of decency, Germans are simply too smart to let anything like this gain momentum.
Peace.
It's just that these people get a lot of attention. They are the polar opposite to the "bad muslim" who gets all the attention, while the majority of muslims are rational and peaceful.
10,000 people isn't a "major" demonstration. These neo-nazi fuckers gathered from all of Germany for this "event". That wasn't 10,000 people from Dresden.
Some of the time there are anti-demonstrations which are bigger than the original ones.
Sure the sentiment is around. Times are uncertain and a lot of fear comes through the media. But if not out of decency, Germans are simply too smart to let anything like this gain momentum.
Peace.
If you speak German this is pretty funny:
http://blog.campact.de/2014/12/pegi...m_content=random-b&_mv=1SrxLHsnBYR5aBNGikqntY
(on topic satire)
http://blog.campact.de/2014/12/pegi...m_content=random-b&_mv=1SrxLHsnBYR5aBNGikqntY
(on topic satire)
Is there a German equivalent to the EDL?
turkishcandy said:
I agree, Germany does not have an actual Islamization problem as Britain and France, mostly due to the large Turk influence which to my knowledge are less religious.
They do, like everywhere else in Europe, have an immigration problem.
Unemployment, crime, unwillingness to integrate particularly refusal to inter-marry their daughters and strict social control.
The first wave of immigration in Europe was manual laborers during the booming post war years. These are now the grandparents and parents. The problem is that there are very few manual production jobs left and Europe is now almost entirely high education job driven. Very few of the children of these laborers get any form of higher education, thus leaving them solidly in the lower class. Crime becomes an easy way to get status and money, Islam is used to legitimize this through their them and us philosophy. Lack of language skills further set them apart since their parents did not sufficiently learn the language, so now they speak, dress and act in ways which set them apart strongly from the increasingly academic liberal ways in which these countries place value.
Later came all the opportunists. Palestinians and other North African and African migrants who heard about the easy access to welfare. These are the ones who really hurt the standing of immigrants in Europe. Get one person in, then get your entire family in afterwards through family laws.
It's important still to remember that Europe is fundamentally not racist. No one ever mutters negative words towards Chinese, Vietnamese or Thai immigrants even though they also stick to themselves. Of course, their culture appears to place higher value on fitting in and getting an education.
Culture, ethnicity, religion. You're correct, it's intertwined, but the pc sickness has refused to state clearly that this is the ways of the land, follow them or get out. That would have made it much easier for those who wanted to participate.
In the end, it is inevitable that the immigrant population will need to significantly up their production, since there is simply not enough money left to fund their low productivity and high crime rates.
Islam is an easy common point of attack since it is so obviously incompatible. The underlying issue though is lack of productive and education.
I was in germany for 5 weeks recently and yeah I could tell between turks and germans quite easily. The reality though is germany NEEDS this immigration simply because its birthrate is so pitiful. Not only that but when i was there all the german women i saw were walking with dogs. The turkish women had 4-5 kids walking around with them. That is the difference and that is why i think germany will eventually lose out big time.
Turks won't assimilate but they need the immigration to prop up the population so that the economy can grow.
Turks won't assimilate but they need the immigration to prop up the population so that the economy can grow.
Constitution45
Pelican
Encourage birth rates among the german population via economic incentives, outsourcing population growth to less economically developed countries is a short term solution which won't end well.
zigZag said:
Mainstream media always spouts the same crap of a country needing immigration. Germany needed the Turkish laborers in the 1970s with a real unemployment rate in the minus. Right now the real rate in Germany is 12-15% with 1 million Germans already having left the country or working in Switzerland or Austria.
Now tell me how Germany NEEDS immigration. Yes - and the US absolutely needs immigrants from Mexico to survive while the real unemployment is 15%+.
Wow. A lot of blue pill leftist mantras are being thrown around on the RVF. You'd think this would be the one place you wouldn't have to hear the phony disingenuous arguments of the political mainstream.
Germany doesn't need immigration. It also doesn't need a growing economy. That's all nonsense drilled into people's heads by the banking establishment. If a population naturally declined then the economy should decline but standard of living will actually increase. Europe's overcrowded anyway. Japan is a good model for how to do this. Also, Europe doesn't want to water down their culture and bloodlines with inferior stock, how does that improve anything?
Germany doesn't need immigration. It also doesn't need a growing economy. That's all nonsense drilled into people's heads by the banking establishment. If a population naturally declined then the economy should decline but standard of living will actually increase. Europe's overcrowded anyway. Japan is a good model for how to do this. Also, Europe doesn't want to water down their culture and bloodlines with inferior stock, how does that improve anything?
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