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budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member
El_Gostro said:
The tide definitely seems to be shifting voterwise towards a more nationalist POV's but how much of it is real and how much is just mis en scene?
This. In the last few weeks since President-elect Trump won the election, a lot of countries in Europe paid attention to what happened in America and that is this: Americans are fed up with Globalism and want to return to Nationalism.

My prediction is that Populism will continue to rise in Europe.

Speaking of Populism and/or Nationalism...

Austria
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On Sunday Austria To Choose Between Globalism or Populism

On Sunday the people of Austria will vote one again for the new President of the country and the choice has come down to an anti-mass migration populist and a left wing globalist.
This year’s Austrian presidential election has been the longest in the history of Austria’s second republic and is finally coming to an end on Sunday after controversy and scandal. The Austrian voters have two choices for their new head of state, the anti-mass migration populist Norbert Hofer of the Freedom Party or the Left wing pro-European Union candidate Alexander Van der Bellen.

The first round of the election in April saw a massive shake up in the Austrian political scene as Mr. Hofer won the vote with Van der Bellen coming in second. The election was notable for excluding the two establishment parties, the Austrian People’s Party and the Socialist Party from the second round.

The second round a month later was too close to call on election night with a slight lead for Norbert Hofer. After the counting of the postal votes, Alexander Van der Bellen was proclaimed President by a mere 31,000 votes. The victory was not to last as investigations and inquiries from the FPÖ showed serious discrepancies regarding the counting and handling of the postal ballots and the vote was annulled by the courts.

Though the initial rerun of the was scheduled for October 2nd, the same day as the Hungarian migrant referendum, faulty postal ballot envelopes delayed the vote until this Sunday, December 4th.

The two candidates are the most apart on ideas of any recent Austrian election. Norbert Hofer is running on a platform for securing Austria’s borders, improving the readiness of Austrian authorities regarding terrorism, liberalization of the economy, and pro-gun legislation. Hofer’s ideas have attracted a slew of new voters for the Freedom Party including many working class men and women who have traditionally voted socialist.

Hofer has also expressed interest in re-engaging with Russia, supporting U.S. president-elect Donald Trump’s willingness to resume better relations with the nuclear power. He has also expressed an interest in Austria joining the Visegrad Group (V4), which includes Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic. The group has been notable for having a firm stance against the redistribution of migrants and has supported the reinforcement of the political bloc’s external borders.

His opponent Alexander Van der Bellen is an ex-leader of the left-wing Green Party and a former professor. Mr. Van der Bellen is pro-European Union and wants to see more federalisation, which critics have said will lead to Austria becoming merely a region of a centralized EU. Van der Bellen has also vowed not to allow the FPÖ to form the government even if they win the most votes in the next Austrian federal election.

Despite Van der Bellen’s campaign posters which highlight his patriotism for the Austrian countryside many have criticized him for presiding over a Green Party campaign in 2007 that claimed, “anyone who loves Austria is Sh*t.”

Currently, polls are too close to call the race between the pair, but bookmakers have placed their money behind a victory for Norbert Hofer and an extremist left-wing march Saturday could, according to critics of the march, give even more votes to Hofer.
Finland
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Populist MP Fined For Linking Terrorism and Islam

A member of Finland’s True Finns party is unrepentant after having been sentenced to pay a fine for the crime of agitating against an ethnic group in a blog post.
True Finns local chapter leader Terhi Kiemunki has rejected the ruling that a blog post she wrote was defamatory, and said despite the €450 fine she was the true victim of the case and had been miscast and been unfairly convicted due to public interest in the case.

The case came to the attention of Finnish police after Ms. Kiemunki reported herself to them for investigation, as she had grown tired of accusations online that her writings were slanderous. Instead of being cleared as she hoped, the court found her comments about Islam could be “liable to cause contempt and hatred towards Muslims”, reports the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE).

Following her sentencing about the blog post, which asserted that the perpetrators of recent terror attacks in Europe had been Muslims and lambasted a “repressive, intolerant and violent religion and culture”, she said: “I am still of the view that declaring statistical facts or even sharing an opinion is not a crime if someone doesn’t like it.

“In these times, specifically in the recent past and today, all of the perpetrators of terrorist acts have turned out to be Muslim.

“I wrote the blog because the actions of the media, Greens and Left caused me to be condemned as a criminal, an instigator of hatred and someone who could be insulted and slandered at will publicly and in private messages; someone whose life and even family were threatened”.

Criminal cases surrounding disobliging remarks on Islam and immigrants are becoming a more common feature of European courtrooms, as laws banning the giving of offence are used to tackle the expressed opinions of opponents of mass migration. While ordinary citizens are pursued by police for social media postings, prominent politicians are facing severe penalties for expressing their views.

As reported by Breitbart London, Dutch Party for Freedom leader Geert Wilders is presently in the final stages of what he calls a “travesty”, “absurd”, and “politically motivated” trial over alleged hate speech. In his closing statement before a possible conviction and sentencing, Mr. Wilders told the court that freedom of speech is what makes the Netherlands great, and “is our pride”.

Mr Wilders said that if the court passed judgment on him, they would also be passing judgment on millions of Dutch citizens who had voted for him and his party to represent them.
 

britchard

Pelican
The results of the Italian referendum will be known tomorrow morning, along with the Austrian Presidential Elections.

One of the most interesting things about the 5 Star Movement that is spearheading the anti-establishment movement in Italy is that it refuses to be classified as left or right wing, and insists it is just a movement. Now you might normally say that because of this, divisions within the party are inevitable and will lead to infighting and the party fracturing after a while.

However, the 5 Star Movement are greatly in favour of direct democracy and want to modernise politics by using the internet for political functions such as finding out the opinions of its members, to decide how the party will vote in Parliament.

They have a mix of policies which guys here will see as left-wing, and some that are right-wing. They are pro-environment (bear in mind in Italy this is different to the US as there is no huge fossil fuel industry) so they are against the destruction of the countryside by things like vanity project railways, etc.

They are firmly Eurosceptic and want to bring back the Lira, although this would obviously be put through a referendum. Read up on them, very interesting.
 

britchard

Pelican
sterling_archer said:
Could someone clarify if Hofer won first time and they declared elections void or I misunderstood?
No Van Der Bellen won first time, and there were mistakes in the counting in areas with large enough populations to affect the result of the election, so it was voided.
 

britchard

Pelican
That's a shame, I heard that apparently they allowed 16 year olds to vote in the election, which obviously would favour the establishment candidate.

Looking at the positive side, this presidential role is almost completely ceremonial. His party can still do seriously well at the next general election.

The only hiccup might be that even if they secured a majority at the next general election, this establishment lefty who they've just elected as president may refuse to allow them to form a government.
 

Wreckingball

Pelican
Le Pen and Fillon seem very similar on paper to me. Both are in the right spectrum.
Fillon seems more "likable" (it still does not have bad branding) than Le Pen and will surely steal her some votes. If he manages to go to the second round against a socialist, I expect the media to unleash the usual barrage of personal attacks (something Le Pen is already immune to).
I don't know if the two rounds are mandatory, but if they are not, Le Pen MUST win on the first round, as I believe there is a high chance of loosing the second (as always). (... unless there is another attack during campaign, but I believe muzzies are not that stupid).
 

amity

Pelican
Gold Member
What do you guys think of Merkel's complete 180 switcheroo in tactics yesterday?
Pretty pathetic stuff, how can any German person take this woman seriously anymore?
She's a complete psychopath
 

Lime

Woodpecker
Today the Dutch Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders heard his sentence for his speech on 19 March 2014 in which he made the room scanding 'less, less, less Moroccans".

He is convicted guilty without a sentence for 'encouraging to discrimination'.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...netherlands-show-political-upset-in-the-wind/

I don't really support him, as his economic policies might hurt entrepreneurs, and he tries to win pensionados etc for him, but I appreciate that he something says what should be said.

 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
amity said:
What do you guys think of Merkel's complete 180 switcheroo in tactics yesterday?
Pretty pathetic stuff, how can any German person take this woman seriously anymore?
She's a complete psychopath
Burka ban? Don't believe it for the second that she is on people side now. She tries to appeal to those who figured her out.
 

lowhead360

Sparrow
The only reason Merkel out of nowhere is supporting tougher policies against migrants is because the AfD is probably doing better than the polling suggests. She is a pragmatist before all else, and will sacrifice any of her ideological tenets to maintain her grip on power.
 

Elster

Pelican
Gold Member
Yeah that is a funny one.
Not the first time she does a 180 rc cart wheel trick,though.
Remember how one day she went full "wir schafen das" from this?

wat happen,angie?why u no make cry no more?
 

britchard

Pelican
Has anyone got a good link to a website with accurate statistics on the demographics in France? It is an absolute pain trying to find any source, due to their obsessive idea of ignoring race/religion.
 

britchard

Pelican
Who wins the first round is largely irrelevant, unless it is Le Pen vs one of the socialists (which is reasonably unlikely). In that case, it would be interesting to see whether the classic conservatives who voted for Fillon in the first round (but if Fillon got eliminated) would vote for Le Pen to stop another socialist president.
 

Wreckingball

Pelican
britchard said:
Who wins the first round is largely irrelevant, unless it is Le Pen vs one of the socialists (which is reasonably unlikely). In that case, it would be interesting to see whether the classic conservatives who voted for Fillon in the first round (but if Fillon got eliminated) would vote for Le Pen to stop another socialist president.
Fillon is being pushed as a way to syphon 1st round votes from Le Pen. As always, on the second round, everyone rallies against her and Front National.
Le Pen must ride the Trump momentum now if she wants to make a dent.

Old media is already, and once again, chewing on her image, painting her as a the french nazi personification, even if a great load of immigrants vote for her.
 
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