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N°6

Ostrich
Zagor said:
What hope is there for France when 22% of voters are, after all that happened, still voting Macron?
Surely some of this 22% is tactical voting?

The former FN destroyed the cuckservative and socialist parties so they had to band together and created a new party and the Rothschild Macron to keep le Pen becoming President.
 
Tactical voting, large cities voting and immigrant voting too. Considering all these it's almost impossible that establishment backed parties will become completely irrelevant. It is very tough for Le Pen to be president (even though I could support her party I don't exactly like her, frankly) mostly because of the two round system.


N°6 said:
Zagor said:
What hope is there for France when 22% of voters are, after all that happened, still voting Macron?
Surely some of this 22% is tactical voting?

The former FN destroyed the cuckservative and socialist parties so they had to band together and created a new party and the Rothschild Macron to keep le Pen becoming President.
 

mikado

Pelican
The only way for RN to win presidential elections would be in my opinion to send someone fresh like Marion Maréchal or Jordan Bardella as candidate.

And also more right-wing parliaments in Europe, to give some momentum.

RN has also the problem of failing to provide strong economical policies, cue the botched debate at the presidential election in 2017.

Sure, they have good arguments about immigration, however today the first priority in France is not immigration, but more like taxes and purchasing power. The Yellow Vests's first revendication is more purchasing power, not reduction of immigration.

Actually, RN would probably get more votes if they focused about the economic aspect of inter-european migrations (like Eastern European workers paying less taxes than French people). If I remember correctly, isn't it what made the Brexit vote win?

Furthemore, the Green party got 13% votes. 3rd political force, way ahead of the traditional right. Why?

Because ecology is a growing concern among the youth. RN has ZERO ecological policies. If you skip the topic of immigration, they have nothing to give. The Green Party is more categorical about this. Don't forget either that this elections were more of a vote AGAINST Macron.

In short, the far-right would have to come with more young figures, brilliant, ambitious and clear proposals for France on a vast list of platforms to win the elections. Relying only on immigration is too short-sighted.
 
Mikado, you were born a senegalese, you will always be a senegalese.

If you want to be accepted into French society following the inevitable nationalist backlash, I would personally encourage you to convert to christianity and marry a nice french girl. You'll never be accepted as french as an african muslim. Your children probably will if they're half-french and christian. A friendly suggestion my friendly forum friend.
 
As a Frenchman ; I can ensure you that most French people know how to differentiate a correct Muslim who adapted somewhat to France and a total thug like many.most people in France do not have this primitive Anglo-Saxon racist vision.

The problem lies more in how delirious and extremist will the backlash be when white people will start payback . In such moments there isn't much common sense and very quick shortcuts can be taken ; because ultimately those thugs are too many and going way too far.

As for Le Pen ; in my opinion she has two strong weapons to get the "immigrant" vote :

1) the eradication of franc CFA > will be backed by black people
2) the anti Zionist "cleaning " of France > will be backed by "Arabs"

Marion Maréchal le Pen would be more credible as a candidate. A few youngsters are very talented ; Bardella for instance and they should try to bring Julien Rochedy back ; he is somewhat linked to Thierry Baudet Now as he lives in Amsterdam
 

the high

Woodpecker
LEMONed IScream said:
You can be a cool guy in many aspects Mikado, but you still lack the genetic material to be french, in the same way I lack the genetic material to be senegalese. We could be the greatest people ever or the worst scumbags out there and this statement would still be true!
My personal theory is, in order to be a proper citizenship of any country you have to have a fairly long lineage to that country, like your family has to have been there for generations. Birthright citizenship is silly and it's a no-brainer why it's so easy to subvert western countries. You got a guy or girl who's parents are fresh off the boat, and still have ties to their former country, being born in America who will probably grow up with divided allegiances between that of his birth country and that of his parents birth countries. I'm saying all this as a birthright citizenship recipient.

That's part of why countries like Japan manage to stay homogenous; they have strict parameters of what defines a Japanese person. Even making distinctions between other East Asians (Zainichi, etc.). Now in Japan's case it's a little easier because Japan has remained historically isolated but in western countries where there's been historical immigration I'd say the older the country the longer the lineage required.

Because at the end of the day race isn't the most important distinction, in my opinion; your lineage has to have skin in the game. Race is more like a by-product. I consider African Americans descended from slaves more of a an American citizen than some German guy who was born here but's family has only been here for 50 or so years.

Just a personal theory feel free to disagree.
 
The German guy isn't rioting or saying fuck the police even though his ancestors most likely fought the US millitary before he immigrated. Some food for thought.

Longevity on it's own seems useless. Gypsies have been in plenty of European countries for over 500 years. That's twice as old as the USA. The vast majority still does not integrate or become a useful member of society. Instead they scrounge and parasitize off the productive classes. I suppose all these classical liberal lofty ideals of culture over race don't really compute to anyone except Euro diaspora, eh?

the high said:
LEMONed IScream said:
You can be a cool guy in many aspects Mikado, but you still lack the genetic material to be french, in the same way I lack the genetic material to be senegalese. We could be the greatest people ever or the worst scumbags out there and this statement would still be true!
My personal theory is, in order to be a proper citizenship of any country you have to have a fairly long lineage to that country, like your family has to have been there for generations. Birthright citizenship is silly and it's a no-brainer why it's so easy to subvert western countries. You got a guy or girl who's parents are fresh off the boat, and still have ties to their former country, being born in America who will probably grow up with divided allegiances between that of his birth country and that of his parents birth countries. I'm saying all this as a birthright citizenship recipient.

That's part of why countries like Japan manage to stay homogenous; they have strict parameters of what defines a Japanese person. Even making distinctions between other East Asians (Zainichi, etc.). Now in Japan's case it's a little easier because Japan has remained historically isolated but in western countries where there's been historical immigration I'd say the older the country the longer the lineage required.

Because at the end of the day race isn't the most important distinction, in my opinion; your lineage has to have skin in the game. Race is more like a by-product. I consider African Americans descended from slaves more of a an American citizen than some German guy who was born here but's family has only been here for 50 or so years.

Just a personal theory feel free to disagree.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
The Gypsies are a great example of how the problem is much more complicated (or much simpler, depending how you look at it). For those 500 years they have been here we had problems with them for what, 100? Maybe less. I remember reading about gypsies in the Portuguese armed forces, serving alongside the natives in the colonial wars. No problem at all. It's only when you introduce mass democracy, egalitarianism and welfare that the problem appears. They lived in their ghettos or were travelling salesmen and there was no problem. Same with the Jews actually. What is needed is a clear understanding that there should be a dominant class, and of who is this class. To be honest, I much prefer gypsies to democratic politicians. At least the gypsies have loyalty to their own. If there was someone enforcing societal rules and castes, they would return to being what they were before democratic insanity.

In other words, everyone should know their place - in the family, in the neighborhood and in society. This is why Salazar aimed to rule the country as if it was a family. If we look at that unit, we understand that there needs to be someone in charge, and the dumb cousin or the drug addict uncle cannot bring the family down as long as the rule of the patriarch is unquestionable.
 
Gypsies (and other underclasses) all over Europe are tremendously useful for the ruling class.

While they leech off the social security system, it is nowhere near as what the crooked politicians embezzle in all manner of different ways.

Effectively, politicians giving welfare to gypsies is completely in their self-interest, as the gypos often hog the spotlight and take most of the blame that should instead be directed at our white European politicians...
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
It doesn't matter how long a minority community has been in a country. They can still be a hostile and sullen minority. What matters is similarity. Which means similarity of skin color, language and religion.

Skin color can be evened out if language and religion are the same, although this will take centuries depending on the size of the minority community. I remember reading somewhere that around 250 years ago there was a black community in Britain and then by 1900 they had vanished i.e. assimilated into the majority.

Language is harder to give up since it is a source of identity for most people.

But the hardest is religion. For most people, "my" religion or "his" religion is a binary choice. A person cannot travel in two boats kinda logic. Besides this is divine creator and afterlife concept that we are talking about. Economic inducements are unlikely to work for most people who have a decent quality of life or at least live like the majority.
 
In my opinion , it will be interesting which first european country will have the balls to deport the most toxic elements of the invaders first.

If one country makes a massive deportation , this could have a domino effect.

A few more terrorist attacks and I think the left-wing globohomo voters will be in favour of this
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
Fertilizers (npk) require oil to be made, and we have less and less of that.

Why deport them ?
They are not toxic for the soil.
Just bury them.
 
The US Senate passed the ratification for North Macedonia to join NATO, in a vote of 91-2, only Rand Paul and Mike Lee voting against. I wonder how many of those senators know anything about North Macedonia?

Macedonia has been divided between Slavs and Albanians which nearly erupted into a civil war in 2001 (with Albanians being about a quarter of the population), before the Albanians started losing and NATO intervened and threatened to bomb the country if the Macedonian government proceeded in eliminating the Albanian terrorist groups. Then there is the name dispute with Greece because of the fact that these Serb/Bulgarian people don't really have a legitimate claim to using the name Macedonia, which is a Greek region and civilization.

This country had a nationalist leader similar to Viktor Orban (and they are good friends in fact) until Soros NGOs and the State Department organised mass protests there in 2015-2016 that resulted in his removal, and in the last election his nationalist party VMRO still got the plurality of seats, but it was left out of power after the liberal globalist party SDSM led by the current prime minister Zoran Zaev and the Albanian nationalists formed a governing coalition and were able to appoint a prime minister. Since then Zaev has brought globohomo into Macedonia and changed its name to "North Macedonia" just to solve the dispute with Greece so that the country can join the EU and NATO. It hasn't been perfect, because the VMRO still leads in the polls and the referendum that approved the name change last year had such a low turnout that it is legally considered invalid by North Macedonia's constitution. Still the EU and NATO praised this as a "success for democracy".

Of course North Macedonia has such a minuscule army and economy that this will be of no significant change to NATO capabilities. NATO is going on inertia at this point and this is mainly being done to symbolically spite Russia.

A week ago France blocked a European Council decision to give North Macedonia a date for formally starting the talks on it joining the EU, and Zaev called for an early election, so it will be interesting if this ends up giving VMRO the opportunity they need to seize back power.
 

acco

Woodpecker
Duda wins in Poland against Berlin, Brussels and Soros
13. 07. 2020



In Poland the conservative candidate Andrzej Duda (PiS) clearly won the presidential election with 51.2% although all Polish newspapers are in the hands of German pro Merkel publishing houses.

The left-wing challenger Rafal Trzaskowski received a scholarship from the Soros Foundation at Oxford University in 1995 and, as mayor of Warsaw, was active in promoting LGBT rights in Poland with the support of Soros NGOs.

The majority of Polish news publishers are in the hands of the Bertelsmann and Springer publishing houses, the PiS party has called for a "re-polonisation" of the domestic media.

Nevertheless, the incumbent president of Poland Duda won re-election, even though German media are still waiting for a miracle and are talking about a "provisional" result.

"With the re-election of Duda, the Poles have impressively expressed their support for the conservative policies of the PiS," said Petr Bystron, AfD chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee. "They voted for their own nation, culture, religion and traditions, and against the encroaching demands of globalists in the EU. In a democratic election with an impressive voter turnout of 70%, Duda was able to prevail against left-wing challenger Rafal Trzaskowski, despite the fact that all the major publishing houses are firmly in German hands and have interfered in the election with one-sided reporting. The vote is clear: the Poles do not want to be governed from Berlin and Brussels. And that is a good thing."

"The German media always pretend that the PiS is influencing the elections, but it is the German media that do this, said Polish MEP Dominik Tarczynski. "Apparently you don't understand how counterproductive and arrogant it is when the Germans want to tell the Poles what to do. This is the reason why Andrzej Duda was re-elected. The Poles will never again let Germany tell them what to do. And that's good too!"
www.unser-mitteleuropa.com/duda-gewinnt-in-polen-gegen-berlin-bruessel-und-soros
 
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