The Eurasian Conspiracy

piceaabies

Pigeon
So i recently came across several posts on this forum with this article which espoused the link between E. Michael Jones and Alexander Dugin, aswell as connecting it to a larger eurasian perspective.

I have usually leaned towards thinkin that russia is on the "Based" side of world culture but it now appears to me that this "Eurasian World Order" as some sort of second soviet russia, is not such a far-fetched theory. Is Satan using divide and conquer to make east and west go at each others throats?

It would seem to fit the picture also that there are no other saviours than Christ and his Church. That we can't put our trust in wordly governments or leaders.

Is this just a wacky theory or is there much truth to it?https://i0.wp.com/banneddomain.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Eurasia-3.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1
 

DanielH

Pelican
Really low IQ take. The headline of the article you're sharing is "E. Michael Jones is a KGB asset and guilty of immeasurable treason against the USA/West." No. The idea that Russia would control Iran, all of Africa, China, India, is just insane. That whole article looks schizophrenic. They cite Dr. Jones: "Russia is not a problem in the world, the US is the main problem in the world. Russia is officially Christian, in the way the United States is not.” and he's correct. That's not some weird conspiratorial statement. The USA owns big tech, pornography, and exports a plurality of the world's secular culture.
 

typtre

Robin
Massive article, but like Daniel said it runs a bit schizo. Seems like they just wanna put Jones in by using guilt of association. He has posted these attendances himself.

While Russia is more based than others, they are not really based.
They all subscribe to Government God and they are all in on it regarding the bigger picture.

Is Satan using divide and conquer to make east and west go at each others throats?
Have you heard of the Cold War conspiracy? Supposedly the East and West was at standoff for half a century that ended in 1991.
But it started again when Hillary Clinton opened her mouth.
 
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DeFide

Robin
So i recently came across several posts on this forum with this article which espoused the link between E. Michael Jones and Alexander Dugin, aswell as connecting it to a larger eurasian perspective.

I have usually leaned towards thinkin that russia is on the "Based" side of world culture but it now appears to me that this "Eurasian World Order" as some sort of second soviet russia, is not such a far-fetched theory. Is Satan using divide and conquer to make east and west go at each others throats?

It would seem to fit the picture also that there are no other saviours than Christ and his Church. That we can't put our trust in wordly governments or leaders.

Is this just a wacky theory or is there much truth to it?https://i0.wp.com/banneddomain.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Eurasia-3.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1
I think there’s much truth to it. I saw the article re-posted on another blog in December and I immediately dismissed it at face-value as too whacky to be believable. Sometime later on, I ran across the article again and this time I bothered to read it. What can I say? It has the ring of truth, and it makes a great deal of sense. While I don't necessarily subscribe to every view expressed upon it, the nuggets of truth that may be found there will certainly rub the world view and held opinions of many on this forum irritatingly.
 

piceaabies

Pigeon
Really low IQ take. The headline of the article you're sharing is "E. Michael Jones is a KGB asset and guilty of immeasurable treason against the USA/West." No. The idea that Russia would control Iran, all of Africa, China, India, is just insane. That whole article looks schizophrenic. They cite Dr. Jones: "Russia is not a problem in the world, the US is the main problem in the world. Russia is officially Christian, in the way the United States is not.” and he's correct. That's not some weird conspiratorial statement. The USA owns big tech, pornography, and exports a plurality of the world's secular culture.
So did you read the whole article?
It goes on to state things such as:
  • “Russia is not a problem in the world, the US is the main problem in the world. Russia is officially Christian, in the way the United States is not.” (42)
Yet, as Russian Orthodox writer Vladimir Moss informed in 2015:

“Far from leading the world in the practice of Christian virtue, Russia is perhaps the most corrupt country of all.” (44)

And Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky, 2019:

“Nationalism is the religion of Russians, who are mostly atheists.” (45)

Furthermore:
  • Pew Research 2017: “Just 6% of Russian Orthodox Christians attend church weekly.” (46)

  • “In 2010, a psychologist with the Russian Academy of Sciences cited WHO data indicated there were more occult/faith healers (800,000) in Russia than professional doctors (640,000). Russia’s Academy of Sciences estimates 67% of all Russian women have sought help from a psychic or sorcerer; for Russian men – one in four. In 2013, the country’s leading cardiologist complained that his fellow citizens spend almost £20 billion every year on magical and paranormal services.” (47)
  • Russian Interior Ministry 2008: “Satanism greater threat to national security than Islamic radicalism.” (48)
And Russia’s abortion rate is nearly twice that of the US and Putin supports both abortion and gay rights:

Putin on abortion 2017: “The decision is up to the woman herself.”

Putin 2014: “I know some people who are gay and we are on friendly terms. Homosexual people can’t feel inferior here, because there is no professional, career or social discrimination against them.” (49)

To crown it all, Putin banned evangelisation in 2016.

Hannu Haukka, president of Great Commission Media Ministries:

“This new situation resembles the Soviet Union in 1929. At that time confession of faith was permitted only in church.” (50)
It's not all black and white...
 

DanielH

Pelican
First off, I'll state that no, I'm not reading the entire thing. This is just another usual Russia attack except this time they try to accuse Dr. Jones of being a KGB agent through guilt by association. To accuse a Christian of such a thing is quite serious. You're accusing him of bearing false witness and spreading rumors about him by sharing this.
And Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky, 2019:

“Nationalism is the religion of Russians, who are mostly atheists.” (45)
Literally just a lie by some guy. You will not find any source putting atheism over 50%, or even irreligion for that matter.
Furthermore:
  • Pew Research 2017: “Just 6% of Russian Orthodox Christians attend church weekly.” (46)
Which is disappointingly low but rising and is higher than many western countries now.
And Russia’s abortion rate is nearly twice that of the US and Putin supports both abortion and gay rights:
Declining rapidly and will be lower than the US within a few years. Abortion has fallen 30% there in 5 years. Putin is still a politician and he is becoming more anti-abortion as time goes on. I don't like Putin for the record. Neither same sex "marriage" nor civil unions are legal in Russia. Putin is against gay marriage, not sure what the nebulous term "rights" means.
Putin on abortion 2017: “The decision is up to the woman herself.”
Yikes -pretty bad.
Putin 2014: “I know some people who are gay and we are on friendly terms. Homosexual people can’t feel inferior here, because there is no professional, career or social discrimination against them.” (49)
Okay?
To crown it all, Putin banned evangelisation in 2016.
I can't find anything useful sources for this but it seems to only really target particularly Jehova's Witnesses, Pentecostalism, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, and people trying to start their own home churches outside of a legitimate church. I can't find any statements from Orthodox or Catholic sources (outside of the Jesuits) on this. Only Protestant sources which for some reason consider groups that are heretical schismatics who split from another heretical schismatic group valid.

Russia has a lot of problems but people almost never give them credit for being under state Atheism just 30 years ago and making astonishing progress in such short time, especially with regards to abortion and drinking.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Woodpecker
The idea that EMJ is connected to Putin is ludicrous.

However, Russia itself is no panacea for globalism. Putin is controlled by ((oligarchs)), after all.

The Russian Orthodox Church is fantastic though.
 

typtre

Robin
And Russia’s abortion rate is nearly twice that of the US and Putin supports both abortion and gay rights:

Putin 2014: “I know some people who are gay and we are on friendly terms. Homosexual people can’t feel inferior here, because there is no professional, career or social discrimination against them.” (49)

It's not all black and white...
I am gonna help you here, because I do not even have to look into this one. This is why I respect Putin (to the extent any politician can be respected).

Homosexual people can’t feel inferior here, because there is no professional, career or social discrimination against them.
Have you caught on?

He is politely explaining to the homos they will not parade all over Russia just because they feel society is against them.
 
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911

Peacock
Gold Member
The deep state is ramping up its attacks on EMJ and maligning Russia, which under Putin is experiencing a massive revival of the Orthodox faith, the healthiest branch of the Christian faith in recent years, inspiring Catholics and the braoder Christian community worldwide.

The deep state is worried about the impact that the Orthodox resurgence has had on conservative circles in the West, which is kind of troubling for them as they are planning to step up their attacks on Russia in the Ukraine. So it's not surprising that they are stepping up their propaganda efforts against E. Michael Jones, the leading proponent of Christian culture in America, someone who has been very effective at weaning off Christian conservatives from the grips of (((BoomerCon))).

Russia has been devastated by nearly a century of Bolshevik oppression and neoliberal devastation, which have culled tens of millions of their best and has left the state of the Russian church and Russian society in general in shambles. Putin has recently started to reverse that trend, literally raising 25,000 churches from their ashes, cutting abortion rates, crime and rampant alcoholism by over 75%, and laying the foundations of a healthy society, keeping the worst incursions of globohomo at bay.

He's not controlled opposition, though he is on good terms with his local Jewish community, which is still very wealthy and influential. There is no question however that the tribal elements running western foreign policy genuinely hate him and what he stands for (Russian Orthodox nationalism), driving Russia into China's arms.

We've seen Putin over the years being relentlessly and successfully attacked from the left for this, and now they are trying to outflank him with clumsy BoomerCon attacks from (((the right))). That's what this "Eurasian Conspiracy" is all about, trying to pass E. Michael Jones as anti-American, relying on boiler plate cold war era narratives that Boomers have been weaned on. It's obviously a pathetic attempt, as is the even clumsier attempt to link him to Dugin, or Putin, a narrative so far-fetched that even Rachel Maddow wouldn't go there.
 

iop890

Crow
Gold Member
Here's the Dugin interview quoted from in the posts that I assume inspired this thread: https://banneddomain.net/2021/02/06...nti-catholicism-best-parts-of-polish-history/

The poster asserting these things is both more intelligent and more holy than I am, and has been correct about things in the past, so I can't simply dismiss his posts.

The posts:
 
The shilling on this forum has increased tremendously. Low post (sometimes as low as 1) one issue posters attacking EMJ relentlessly with nothing but dressed up garbage. Just when the man started to become a household name that gets mentioned fairly often on the likes of 4chan et al.

Not suspicious at all I am sure. As if they got the instructions from <insert an organisation here> and could here the crispy dollar bills in the background. It's the same argument every time as well, as if they are working from a script.

I am saying this as someone that doesn't really have a dog in this fight. I understand EMJ is an intellectual that covers ground where others don't like to go, but I've also come to know that there pretty big blind spots in his work.

However, this post is not content based. Its based on the clear agenda that some new (and by now banned) posters on this forum have. Judging by the post before this one they are having at least some success. Would you listen to guys that do not have your best interests at heart? Divide and rule. Sow discord wherever you can. Seeds of strife.
 

iop890

Crow
Gold Member
The shilling on this forum has increased tremendously. Low post (sometimes as low as 1) one issue posters attacking EMJ relentlessly with nothing but dressed up garbage. Just when the man started to become a household name that gets mentioned fairly often on the likes of 4chan et al.

Not suspicious at all I am sure. As if they got the instructions from <insert an organisation here> and could here the crispy dollar bills in the background. It's the same argument every time as well, as if they are working from a script.

I am saying this as someone that doesn't really have a dog in this fight. I understand EMJ is an intellectual that covers ground where others don't like to go, but I've also come to know that there pretty big blind spots in his work.

However, this post is not content based. Its based on the clear agenda that some new (and by now banned) posters on this forum have. Judging by the post before this one they are having at least some success. Would you listen to guys that do not have your best interests at heart? Divide and rule. Sow discord wherever you can. Seeds of strife.

It's obvious from the writing style they're all the same veteran poster. I won't mention who but longstanding members should be able to tell.

I'm not much interested specifically in the EMJ parts, personally. That seems like a side issue and i don't really follow him anyway.
 
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911

Peacock
Gold Member
https://qz.com/871975/aleksandr-dug...ilosopher-is-a-big-fan-of-donald-trump/Here's the Dugin interview quoted from in the posts that I assume inspired this thread: https://banneddomain.net/2021/02/06...nti-catholicism-best-parts-of-polish-history/

The poster asserting these things is both more intelligent and more holy than I am, and has been correct about things in the past, so I can't simply dismiss his posts.

The posts:

That poster is dead wrong about several points, claiming that EMJ is anything but a righteous, devout Catholic, that Orthodox Christianity is satanic (he stated "Yes, the Greek Orthodox are Judeo-Masons.")

That is an outrageous statement. I mean OK, maybe some elements in its leadership might be compromised, but that is something that can easily be leveled against the Catholic Church as well, the Vatican having been infiltrated for half a century now, but you need to be very careful not to throw the baby with the bathwater here, the last thing we need is to divide the Christian community. The irony here is that this divisiveness is something that Dugin would greatly approve...

I know very well that Dugin is a satanist, the guy is vile, but to claim that EMJ is a follower is utterly stupid, so stupid in fact that it looks like a concerted hit job on EMJ. The poster also brought up Michael Vorris as a compromised Duginist, well EMJ actually called Vorris out. EMJ is in fact fundamentally opposed to the brand of paganism Dugin and followers like Richard Spencer espouse, on moral, ideological and theological grounds.

As well there is no evidence as well that Dugin is Putin's Rasputin, or a figure that is pulling the strings in the Kremlin. Putin has been a stabilizing force in his country and abroad, this goes counter the masonic kabbalistic Dugin scheming for global chaos. Dugin has no pull in Russian foreign policy:

Expert consensus holds that Dugin’s ideological influence peaked over a decade ago and that only an increasingly small group of intellectuals seriously consider him. Dugin was perhaps influential in the late nineties and early aughts due to his connections to Russian intelligence services.[iii] However, the Kremlin doesn’t take Dugin seriously today. He remains marginally relevant because he functions as a type of informal diplomat to the Western far-right, not dissimilar to how the Kremlin uses Vladimir Zhironovsky, the head of Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (which is anything but what the name implies), as a court jester in the Duma to see how the West reacts to his excessively provocative statements. In this sense, Dugin, like Zhironovsky, serves no practical policymaking purposes, but is rendered somewhat useful as an informal instrument of engagement with strategic foreign audiences, such as fringe far-right thought leaders in the West.

Dugin’s sensationalized media coverage does not equate to power or real influence. Dugin found himself in hot water in 2014 when he openly advocated the genocide of Ukrainians, arguing that Putin’s approach regarding Ukraine is insufficiently aggressive.[iv] As a result of his comments, Dugin was fired from his prestigious post at Moscow State University, where he evidently did not have enough pull with elites to save his job.

The arguments presented here agree with the conclusions of multiple academic studies. According to a 2017 RAND
study, Dugin exerts little influence on Russian policymakers and elites:

China poses a threat to Russia, so Dugin recommends seeking assistance from Korea, Vietnam, India, and Japan to ensure the “territorial disintegration, splintering and the political and administrative partition of the [Chinese] state.” With the possible exception of Ukraine, these do not appear to be realistic concepts that have any significant buy-in from Russian officials. Furthermore, while Dugin is reported to have connections and ties with Russian officials, including the Russian military leadership, and although Russian leaders may cite his work or ideas, it does not appear that he is directly influential in Russian policymaking. He is perhaps best thought of as an extremist provocateur with some limited and peripheral impact than as an influential analyst with a direct impact on policy.

Russia's policies the last decade are completely dissociated with Dugin's kabbalistic chaos, the country is run by cool heads like Putin and Lavrov, who have provided economic, political and social stability for their citizens and been a positive force abroad, almost single-handedly saving the Christian community in Syria and standing up to globohomo in general.

Dugin's persona has been amplified in the West both by alt right paganists like Spencer and by the Rachel Maddow/MSM Russophobe crowd, here are two examples:



That poster's read on geopolitics is a bit superficial, kind of like Adam Green's, a good guy that does mostly great work but has a lot of really bad blind spots, including a hatred for Putin just because he's not anti-Jewish, even though he has scuttled zionist plans to balkanize Syria.

That poster seems to mean well, but he's definitely a bit overtaken by his passion and lack of lucidity in his analyses.
 
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FactusIRX

Kingfisher
It's obvious from the writing style they're all the same veteran poster. I won't mention who but longstanding members should be able to tell.

I'm not much interested specifically in the EMJ parts, personally. That seems like a side issue and i don't really follow him anyway.
I know exactly what poster you are talking about. I have always respected his ideas and posts, and I think his discussion on Catholic theology are very good. However, those two posts are . . . less than convincing.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
He was an excellent poster, and was mostly right about his take on Trump as a representative of the Chabad wing of ZOG, but very wrong about his read on Russia, and outrageously wrong about E. Michael Jones, if he did indeed share the slanderous views of Glowie Fitzpatrick on EMJ.

He seems to have a five eyes/anglosphere bias towards Russia and an insular understanding of geopolitics, claiming that Dugin is running (or even influencing) Russian foreign policy, and that their philosophy is the same as Bolshevism, when in fact they have been the main opposition to the Bolsheviks, who have been running the West through oligarch puppeteers (banking families, billionaires and their constellation of NGOs, foundations, academia and corporate boards). They are using luciferian liberalism instead of Lenninism, this approach being more effective in subjugating their populations (Huxley's Brave New World soft modern luciferian dictatorship model vs the outdated Soviet 1984 hard dictatorship).

Russia has turned the tide, the younger generation of Russians are some of the most Christian generation of Europeans. Quoting Putin from that RT article linked:

For the new Russian generation, the West has not offered much besides economic sanctions and moral posturing. Furthermore, Russia is less interested in modelling its society on Europe’s. The Marxist experience was destructive for conservative values in Russia, and Europe provided a healthy alternative. In the effort to create ‘communist man’, liberated from his own past, the early Bolsheviks sought to dismantle the nation, the Orthodox Church, the family and other indispensable societal institutions so as to cancel capitalism and advance a Marxist concept of human freedom. Once the Soviet experiment came to an end, Europe was seemingly a model to emulate when it came to finding a balance between conservative societal institutions and liberal values.

However, the Europe that Russia sought to emulate no longer exists and is no longer a model that is attractive to Russia.
The effort to create ‘Western man’, liberated from his past, resembles the failed experiment of ‘communist man’. Putin observed: “We see that many Euro-Atlantic states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots, which form the basis of Western civilization. In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural, and even gender identities are being denied or relativized.”

Polls also reveal that Russians seek stability in traditional institutions such as the family and the Church. A poll by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation shows that Russians are increasingly embracing an identity linked to the Orthodox Church, and yet again, the youth are leading the way
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The anti-Russian propaganda is pretty much a declination of the mainstream Atlantist knockoffs that is extremely prevalent in the MSM, but geared towards conservatives:

 
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