The false dichotomy of West bad - Russia good

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
It is good Putin supports Orthodox Christians. However, there are two huge concerns in the article mentioned:

1) the government should allow Jehovah Witness members to worship peacefully.

"According to the those at the meeting, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group once persecuted by the Nazis for their strict adherence to pacifism, have now been labelled a threat to society here, too; driven underground last April when the Russian Supreme Court seized all their property, declaring the group “extremist”."

2) Also, it seems that people's freedom to criticize government policies is being violated:

"But it’s risky to openly challenge such developments as Yevegeny Lebedev discovered last November. He told us that his home and those of 11 others were stormed by masked police officers in midnight raids, “They bust in shouting, ‘Down on the floor!’ Somebody threw me to the floor. I was like that for 20 minutes, my kids crying.”

The officers were investigating a possible violation of yet another new law, which has the backing of the Orthodox Church. In this case, making it a criminal offence to “insult the feelings of religious believers”."

Jehovah’s Witness is a satanist cult, these people should no more have access to countries like Russia than Scientology. Like Scientology, it's also a tightly-regimented organization that is run like a cult, though the difference is that the great majority of people within that cult actually believe they are real Christians.

The JW founder Russell is a satanist freemason whose grave is a masonic pyramid with a capstone and the subversive crown penetrated by the cross symbol.

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In addition, the ranks of subversive pseudo-Christian cults like JW in places like Russia are infested with foreign agents.

As to the second part, it sounds like propaganda. You don't go to the gulag if you criticize Putin in Russia, though things might be a bit tighter with Russia at war now.
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Personnally, I'm not afraid to say, without hesitation and openly, that I like Russia and V. Putin, a lot.

2 months ago, I already liked Putin quite a lot, as he's obviously a good, efficient, non-gay head of State who's taking good care of his country.

But now that, almost single-handedly, Vladimir Putin has destroyed the corrupt NWO (as the CEO of Blackrock has said, in tears), and broken the Globalists, and sent the LGBT crowd worldwide in disarray, and expelled Instagram/youp*rn, why shouldn't I, why shouldn't we, like him, a lot? What more can we ask of any head of State? What more would we do, if we were in Putin's shoes, against the degenerate gay West?

So, I see no reason for those of us who dislike Globohomos, not to praise Russia and admire Putin, the only leader (with Xi) who's had the courage and audacity to disrupt and break the crooked Globalist world order.
 

fireshark

Kingfisher
Other Christian
China isn't our friend, but it is an enemy of our enemy.

There's no conclusive evidence to support that beyond a very shallow surface-level reading of the situation, but it's a nice thought. Meanwhile, we are still lacking many basic human rights we had only a couple short years ago and no one has payed the price for any injustices committed.
 

TooFineAPoint

Ostrich
Protestant
It's kind of hypocritical to call out Russia for cracking down on their anti-war protests when in Czechia, which is not even threatened and not in a state of war, you can be jailed for 3 years for writing social media posts in support of Russia:


The Czech Republic is the most degenerate, least religious, and most pozzed country in EE when it comes to understanding geopolitics, no EE country buys more deeply and gullibly into the western neoliberal myth. Prague is the world capital of pornography, and a hub for human trafficking, recalling its historic position as the hub of human trafficking in the middle ages, when it was the main hub for the slave trade in Central/Eastern Europe, a commerce held by the large local Jewish community.





It's kind of weird to have a Czech criticizing Russia as being degenerate when Russia bans the homosexual agenda, while Czech Rep. is the "capital of gay porn", with the largest "gay pride" event in eastern Europe:

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You're also wildly wrong in the stats you provide, using outdated data on abortion and other social ills. The abortion rates in Russia have been falling sharply and those for young Russian women are now on par with those in the US, while you claim they are 50 times higher. I mean I understand being a bit off, but being off by a factor of 50-fold is outright lying.
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Russia is experiencing a deep and sustained Christian revival under Putin, who has rebuilt 25,000 churches most of which were destroyed by the communists.


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Wheras in Prague, most churches have been abandoned and many desecrated, like this church converted into a disco, notice the satanic reversed cross:

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Modern "art" in Prague, this is not an exhibit, it's a public work in the middle of a city square:

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Prague also has the largest satanist community in eastern Europe, both because it is a cultural beachhead for western degeneracy, and also because it draws on its deep local Jewish occult roots. Prague is the site of the original golem legend.

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Your effort to discredit Russia reflects the deep Czech neoliberal bias towards that country, it is at once superficial and unfortunate.

The most curious thing ever is that I've only visited Prague once for 2 days, during a trip through Slovakia and the Czech Republic. In Bratislava a few nights earlier I felt safe and content.

In Prague (I was in my early 20s at the time), I turned to my friend and said "this place carries the dread that Kafka writes in his stories, and I feel like there is a river of blood under the cobblestones". That's a paraphrase, but I mentioned Kafka and I said blood under the cobblestones for sure.

Keep in mind I knew nothing of any of the facts you posted here at the time. And I was on a holiday and generally enjoying myself.

Yet I felt compelled to turn to my companions and say that, and I remember the feeling to this day.
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
Prague is the world capital of pornography, and a hub for human trafficking, recalling its historic position as the hub of human trafficking in the middle ages, when it was the main hub for the slave trade in Central/Eastern Europe, a commerce held by the large local Jewish community.

I didn't know anything about Prague, but I actually doubt that it was the main hub of the slave trade in Europe during the Middle Ages.

As far as I know from studying Russian history, the main hub of the slave trade in Europe during the Middle Ages, was the Crimean Khanate. The (at least the government/warlords of) Crimean Tatars, who were steppe cavalry warriors, made sporadic, semi-periodical hit and run raids onto villages and small towns in Novorussia and surrounding territories, where they used to kidnap people, mostly women and unarmed men, and children. Then they would quickly tie up the captives, put them on the back side of the horse, and quickly run away back to the Crimea. These unfortunate Orthodox Christian Russkies were then shipped to the Ottoman Empire, where they were sold as slaves to Middle Eastern countries, because white slaves sold much higher prices than black ones. The Crimean Khanate ran such a wide scale human traffiking operation, that it is thought that the word "slave" comes from the word "Slav", specifically because most of the slaves in Europe in the Middle Ages were captives from the Crimean Khanate and/or the Ottoman Empire.

It is thought that the Cossacks originally formed in Novorussia, Don, and Kuban to fight against the raids of the Crimean slavers. In fact the Cossacks even organized their own raids onto the Crimean Khanate where they would invade the peninsula, take over the base of the Tatars, and quickly flee with freed captives Russkies, and also rightfully stolen booty. And this is why the Russian Empire was having the right position in the Crimean War, to destroy this absolutely horrible state based on the slave trade or Orthodox Russkies to European and Middle Eastern countries. And it is worth noticing that the Ottoman Empire, Great Britain, and France all stood on the side of the Crimean Khanate during that war, and even sent troops to Crimea to stop the Russian Tsar from taking over the peninsula.

So we should tell them to shut their mouths and not talk about human rights if they had supported a state based on the slave trade of white people.
 

Solitarius

Robin
Catholic
The most curious thing ever is that I've only visited Prague once for 2 days, during a trip through Slovakia and the Czech Republic. In Bratislava a few nights earlier I felt safe and content.

In Prague (I was in my early 20s at the time), I turned to my friend and said "this place carries the dread that Kafka writes in his stories, and I feel like there is a river of blood under the cobblestones". That's a paraphrase, but I mentioned Kafka and I said blood under the cobblestones for sure.

Keep in mind I knew nothing of any of the facts you posted here at the time. And I was on a holiday and generally enjoying myself.

Yet I felt compelled to turn to my companions and say that, and I remember the feeling to this day.
The history of S. Adalbert demonstrates that evil very often carries on generation after generation. "
He (S. Adalbert) entered Prague barefoot and was joyfully received by the people. The Diocese was in a deplorable situation. Some of its inhabitants were still idolaters, and many Catholics were well entrenched in shameful vices. In vain St. Adalbert tried to correct them and to bring them to religion and piety. When his efforts proved fruitless, he obtained papal permission to leave the Episcopate and enter a monastery in Rome. After five years, Pope John XV sent him back to Prague with the provision that he could again leave the Episcopate if the people did not correspond.

A second time he was received joyfully, and the people promised to correct themselves and leave their heathen practices. These hasty promises were soon forgotten, however, and the Saint determined to abandon them forever and return to his monastery. On his way back to Rome, he met with a great success in Hungary, where he converted many to Catholicism. With this, the Pope ordered him to not come to Rome, but to return to Prague. At this news, the elites of Prague became enraged and killed many relatives of the Saint, stole his belongings, and burned the family castles. "

"Sixth, the result of this rejection of St. Adalbert by Bohemia – it is interesting to see the consequences of the rejection of a saint – is that it continued to be a bad region for a long time. With John Hus, Bohemia took an early lead in the Protestant revolution, and after it, Bohemia was one of the strongholds of Protestantism.

A statue representing the church driving out heretics Luther and Hus


In the Church of Gesu in Rome, a representation of Holy Mother Church driving out the heretics Luther and Hus
Although Bohemia was subject to the House of Austria, it always constituted a problem. Later it became a socialist republic. Furthermore, this people did not rise up with any particular reaction against Communism when it took over Czechoslovakia. That is to say, that rejection of old, that bad character from its past, generated a bad people until our days. There were, of course, exceptions. There were many good people there, many saints. But a bad current always continued. "
The above was taken from the Tradition in Action site's article on S. Adalbert.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
The history of S. Adalbert demonstrates that evil very often carries on generation after generation. "
He (S. Adalbert) entered Prague barefoot and was joyfully received by the people. The Diocese was in a deplorable situation. Some of its inhabitants were still idolaters, and many Catholics were well entrenched in shameful vices. In vain St. Adalbert tried to correct them and to bring them to religion and piety. When his efforts proved fruitless, he obtained papal permission to leave the Episcopate and enter a monastery in Rome. After five years, Pope John XV sent him back to Prague with the provision that he could again leave the Episcopate if the people did not correspond.

A second time he was received joyfully, and the people promised to correct themselves and leave their heathen practices. These hasty promises were soon forgotten, however, and the Saint determined to abandon them forever and return to his monastery. On his way back to Rome, he met with a great success in Hungary, where he converted many to Catholicism. With this, the Pope ordered him to not come to Rome, but to return to Prague. At this news, the elites of Prague became enraged and killed many relatives of the Saint, stole his belongings, and burned the family castles. "

"Sixth, the result of this rejection of St. Adalbert by Bohemia – it is interesting to see the consequences of the rejection of a saint – is that it continued to be a bad region for a long time. With John Hus, Bohemia took an early lead in the Protestant revolution, and after it, Bohemia was one of the strongholds of Protestantism.

God permitted those Nobles to be defeated in the Battle of White Mountain. That region is also a place where a lot of occultic activity took place too. The purge especially of those Nobles may well be justified:
Their séances, where Kelley heard angels speak in their natural “Enochian” language and Dee translated, eventually led the pair to Poland and then Bohemia. At that time, Rudolf II was emperor and Prague was the must-be place for anyone dabbling in the occult arts. Dee, however, was a bit of a second fiddle as Kelley was clearly calling the shots. Dee’s close connections with Britain’s Queen Elizabeth also made him suspect.


Czech regions became predominantly Catholic. But because of the nature of the conversion of the region. This region has become one of the most Atheist regions in the world.

On the other hand. For whatever reason God stopped Spain from turning Britain Catholic by force. In spite of all the prayers via the Rosaries. God wouldn't listen.

I suspect because that region at the time held far more of God people who are Protestant.

Unlike at the Battle of Lepanto. Which decisively held back the Turks.

In regards to the whole Religious Wars No one side came away looking clean or even by their actions showing that they are children of God. In terms of Brutality and Cruelty they confess their Godlessness. Not a lot of proper trials according to God's requirements(Romans 13). Just lots of mobs massacring people in bloodthirsty frenzy.

When I read about the 30 years War. I speculate that God's hand ensured that no side was able to win decisively. The hand of providence would permit no true victor. Resulting in the Peace of Westphalia.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
I didn't know anything about Prague, but I actually doubt that it was the main hub of the slave trade in Europe during the Middle Ages.

As far as I know from studying Russian history, the main hub of the slave trade in Europe during the Middle Ages, was the Crimean Khanate. The (at least the government/warlords of) Crimean Tatars, who were steppe cavalry warriors, made sporadic, semi-periodical hit and run raids onto villages and small towns in Novorussia and surrounding territories, where they used to kidnap people, mostly women and unarmed men, and children. Then they would quickly tie up the captives, put them on the back side of the horse, and quickly run away back to the Crimea. These unfortunate Orthodox Christian Russkies were then shipped to the Ottoman Empire, where they were sold as slaves to Middle Eastern countries, because white slaves sold much higher prices than black ones. The Crimean Khanate ran such a wide scale human traffiking operation, that it is thought that the word "slave" comes from the word "Slav", specifically because most of the slaves in Europe in the Middle Ages were captives from the Crimean Khanate and/or the Ottoman Empire.

It is thought that the Cossacks originally formed in Novorussia, Don, and Kuban to fight against the raids of the Crimean slavers. In fact the Cossacks even organized their own raids onto the Crimean Khanate where they would invade the peninsula, take over the base of the Tatars, and quickly flee with freed captives Russkies, and also rightfully stolen booty. And this is why the Russian Empire was having the right position in the Crimean War, to destroy this absolutely horrible state based on the slave trade or Orthodox Russkies to European and Middle Eastern countries. And it is worth noticing that the Ottoman Empire, Great Britain, and France all stood on the side of the Crimean Khanate during that war, and even sent troops to Crimea to stop the Russian Tsar from taking over the peninsula.

So we should tell them to shut their mouths and not talk about human rights if they had supported a state based on the slave trade of white people.

Thanks for the info on the dark history of Crimea.

The slave trade in Prague predated the Ottoman Empire by several centuries, it was the regional hub in central Europe, where slaves would be "exported" to Moorish Spain and the Mediterranean region.
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
On the question, is there a false dichtomy of the conflict between the Collective West and Russia?

Yes and no. Russia's situation now very strongly resembles the situation of China at the start of the 20th century.

On one hand, there were indeed certain deliberate actions by the Japanese Empire and the Collective West to subvert China, and turn it into a quasi colony. They pushed opium into China, they supported anti-Chinese, separatist, and collaborationist movements such as Taiping and Manchukuo. Indeed the modern state of Ukraine is looking a lot like the Taiping or Manchukuo. And the exact scenario is once again attempted to be implemented. So yes, there was indeed a conflict between the Western civilization, and the Chinese civilization, which was an existential crisis for the latter.

On the other hand, despite the clear civilizational conflict, the elites of the Qing Dynasty were unable and/or unwilling to stop the Western attempted colonization of their country, due to a variety of factors, either they were spiritually weak and unable to put up any real resistance, or they were stagnant, inefficient, overly beurocratic, or only concerned about their own self enrichment, not concerned about the fate of the nation at hand, being very rich while the common people very poor, or even complete sell outs, which again are all signs of spiritual weakness of various kinds. Even some of the elites of the late Qing Dynasty eagerly collaborated with the wannabe colonists, for example Puyi was the puppet emperor of Manchukuo. This was all on the backdrop of a civilizational conflict for the Chinese civilization, and foreign forces attempting to divide up the country. Although having that external factor, many of China's internal problems were caused either directly or indirectly by the hands of Puyi and similar corrupt Chinese officials.

Can you see parallels with the modern Russian Federation?
 

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911

Peacock
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^Judeo-Protestant dislikes Putin's Russia.

The usual arguments:

-Putin was KGB !!!!111!!
-Putin's Russia persecutes Christians - yeah sure, he should let the Evangelical glowies run free in Russia instead. And he's built 25,000 churches but that was just for show!
-Putin is a commie - read about his thoughts on the Bolsheviks, and his support for Solzhenitsyn.
-Putin is in connivance with the new world order - sure, this whole Ukraine war thing is just for show!

That Newman guy does seem more naive than evil though, at best, his understanding of geopolitics is pretty limited. At worst, he is an active part in a long line of ZOG/GAE-approved Christian controlled opposition. Not sure where he stands on that spectrum, and not too bothered to look into it.
 
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