News The fight against Orthodoxy continues in new battleground: Montenegro

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I bring sad news from the Balkans, last night at around 2AM local time, the Montenegrin parliament has voted for the new "Law about Religious Freedoms". Without going into too much details right now as I'm short on time, the biggest issue with this law is the article that says that all religious objects built before 1st. December 1918. with the help of state funds (the date btw. is the date when Montenegro united with Serbia after WWI) will go into state hands if the religous communities don't have "evidence" of ownership of said object. In plain English, they will use this law to confiscate the churches and monasteries of the Serbian Orthodox Church and give them to the so called Montenegro Orthodox Church which literally no other Orthodox Church recognizes (the leader of the MOC was a former priest of Constantinopole Patriarchate that has anathema on his name by the Bartholomew himself).

This is both the attack on the Church and on the Serbian people, as for a long time now there is a push to create an artificial Montenegrin people and language, to replace the Serbian people and history of that area.

I don't know if there are any articles in English about the situation, as there is total media blackout about the level of opression and violence happening last night. There was violence in the Parliament itself and Serbian bishop Metodije was severly beaten in the streets by the Montenegrin police during the peaceful protests/blockade last night.

I will try to give you better info about the situation and the historical backgorund in the next few days, but for now please pray for the Serbian people and our Orthodox Church in these testing times.

Edit: If you wanna stay updated, for now I advise you to get your news from nspm.rs and just use google translate, it is close enough.
 

Harem Scarem

Sparrow
Gold Member
The political situation there is interesting from the little I've read about it. They've had the same guy in power in different capacities for the last 30 years or so. Guy who used to be allied to Milosevic but then switched sides to the West, if I understand it correctly. It seems like a pro-Western version of the Putin//Erdogan/Orban situation where you have a kind of soft one-party state led by a post-socialist party, with a divided opposition, rigidly controlled state media, and even the occasional fake "Russian coup" to amaze the voters. So surely the West is condemning this and trying to change the regime, right? Oh wait, who am I kidding? They recently added their significant military capacities to NATO and soon they'll be allowed to strengthen the EU with their economic clout. This is the part where we throw our heads back in laughter.
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Everything you said is completely on the money. Yes, Milo Djukanovic, the president of Montenegro is sole ruler of Montenegro for 30 years, and he has total control over his fiefdom but he is on a tight leash from the West, as they are constantly threatening him with arrest from Italian prosecution for involvement in smuggling of cigarettes and other illegal activities. He is of course a former communist, indeed his party (Socialist Democratic Party) is quite literally former Communist Party of Montenegro that just changed his name.
 

Going strong

Crow
Gold Member
Harem Scarem said:
and even the occasional fake "Russian coup" to amaze the voters.

The most amazing thing is that the Russians were not capable of staging a successful coup in Montenegro. Somehow it's very sad : with half the people in Montenegro that would've gladly backed or just accepted a coup staged by the Russians :banana: , still the Russians did not dare put some serious resources or heart on the job.

I mean, recent developments in the heart of South America have showed that it is quite easy, for any given world power, to get rid of a (corrupt) local government that's dumb and disliked by its own people.

But, well, in the end it's yet another proof of the growing aversion to risks that more and more characterizes Vladimir Vladimirovich. He's a brilliant, calculating chess-player, sure, but one who systematically likes to play it safe. So much so that guessing his next steps is currently easy: he just goes for the safe smart road, little risks taken.
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
A little background as I promised:

The geographical area of current Montenegro state has always been inhabited by Serbs, and ruled by different Serbian noble houses during the Middle Ages. In fact, Stefan Nemanja, the fist in the noble house of Nemanjici, the longest ruling dynasty of Serbian people, was born in Podgorica, modern capital of Montenegro. Being a hilly desolate place populated by very tribal and conservative people (and when I say tribal I rally mean that, to this day Montenegrin Serbians identify themselves by the tribe they belong) it did not stay under Ottoman rule as long as Serbia proper did. and were de facto independent from 17th century onwards under the theocratic Petrovic-Njegos dynasty rule (yes, they were bishops of Serbian Orthodox Chruch and secular rulers at the same time). In fact during Ottoman occupation of Serbia, the Serbian Church survived in no small part thanks to Montenegrin independence and the Petrovic dynasty. Significant number of Serbs living in today's Serbian territories can trace their ancestral roots to modern day Montenegro. The work on creating separate Montenegrin identity started of course after WWII when communists came to power in Montenegro and it has been going on ever since.

I joined the protests yesterday in front of the Montenegrin Embassy in Belgrade and I am happy to report that it consisted of mostly Zoomers and Millenials. The beaten Bishop Metodije had to be transported to top Belgrade hospital (Military University Hospital) as they suspect on internal bleeding and inner organ damage. The opposition members of Montenegrin parliament were actually arrested (breaking their immunity) and three leaders of the opposition are still held in custody, and they are now starting a hunger strike. There were scenes of violence in Serbian Parliament as well.

I do not despair, I have faith in God that he will save his flock if we are worthy, but it is gonna be a long and heavy fight that will last years, decades even. This is just the beginning.

In the end I leave you with a photo from yesterday's protest held in town of Foca in Republika Srpska, that will hopefully better illustrate the mentality of Serbs:
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Тhe banner are words from "Gorski Vijenac" (The Mountain Wreath) one of the most important and beautiful pieces of Serbian literature, written by none other then Petar II Petrovic-Njegos, the Prince-Bishop of Montenegro during the 19th century.

It says: "Everyone is born to die once, but Honor and Shame live forever!".
 

Australia Sucks

Kingfisher
Forgive my ignorance but what is the actual difference between Serbians and Montenegrins? Apart from that they live in two different countries? If I am not mistaken the language is more or less the same and the genetics are similar/same. So are there meaningful cultural differences here? Different religions? Different foods? Different customs?
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
There is no substantial difference between Serbs and Montenegrins, they are quite literally the same people. Obviously tere are differences caused by not living in a single state (Serbs united in a single state only after WWI), and obviously living in a different geography. You could say that the Montenegrins are a subset of Serbs, in the same way that the Bavarians are a subset of Germans. One language, one and the same (Serbian Orthodox) Church, same foods, same genes, close enough customs etc.
 
Doesn't surprise me given that the satanic elite is constructing a large yacht harbor with luxury hotels and mansions project there:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdob...uperyacht-sanctuary-along-the-adriatic-coast/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/...Porto-Montenegro-new-hotspot-rich-famous.html

They already know Monaco will fall together with France so they shift things there.

Serious Christianity, not globohomo stuff with lesbian preachers emphasizes humility rather than ostentatious displays of wealth and quasi prostitution isn't welcome either.
 

Going strong

Crow
Gold Member
Like most Conservative Christian men, I would love to have high hopes in Serbia (or sister-State Montenegro) and its future. Especially as I am a big fan of generous Right-Winger Nole Djokovic ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50448-post-1665421.html#pid1665421 ).

But, it is hard to harbor reasonable hopes, regarding a country whose PM is a lesbian :s . https://www.advocate.com/women/2019/2/21/serbias-lesbian-prime-minster-just-had-baby ""Ana Brnabić is one of the first prime ministers whose partner has given birth while in office ... and the first in the world in a same-sex couple,”"

My successive reactions a couple of years ago, when I heard that dignified Orthodox Serbia had a short-hair lesbian activist for PM:

Shock: What??
:whoa:

Anger: Blyat'! Have our Serb bros become crazy??
:fuckthat2:

Black-pill: There's no hope left for Europe. It's over, the gays have won.
:facepalm2:

Acceptance of Honk World: This world is so crazy, better to laugh about it all!
:laugh:

Acceptance of Honk World... but still, Brave-Heart might offer some interesting alternative option:

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Edit: note that the author of this thread, is at 333 posts. Beautiful symbol for a Serb, three times 3.
 
FilipSRB said:
In plain English, they will use this law to confiscate the churches and monasteries of the Serbian Orthodox Church and give them to the so called Montenegro Orthodox Church which literally no other Orthodox Church recognizes (the leader of the MOC was a former priest of Constantinopole Patriarchate that has anathema on his name by the Bartholomew himself).

Bartholomew and the Greek Church have been reduced to nothing more than an appendage of NATO/CIA/ZOG. The Constantinople Patriarchate is totally corrupted now, they base their decisions on geopolitical machinations rather than theology and serve the purpose of the Western establishment.

Bartholomew has met with John McCain, Mike Pompeo, and other Western officials many times. He also gave recognition to the "Orthodox Church of Ukraine" that was created purely for political reasons, apparently at the request of Pompeo, even though every other Orthodox Church denounced this.
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I am aware of the compromised status of Bartholomew, my comment was more to the point that this "Montenegrin Orthodox Church is so illegitimate that even the Constantinopole Patriarchate does not recognize her. In fact, Bartholomew (among others) sent a letter of support to Serbian OC, clearly stating that it is only legitimate Church in the territory of Mentenegro.
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Yes, they excommunicated (until they repent) all the meembers of the Parliament that voted for it, I think almost all the members of the Government inlcuding the PM, and of course President Milo Djukanovic. By the way Milo signed the Law into power on Saturday(!) the 28th, which is the birthday of Basil of Ostrog, who is the most venerated saint in Montenegro.

Daily protests in Montenegro continue, there are thousands of people in the streets and in the Churches and Monasteries of every city with sizeable Serbian population. There was a public case of a policeman who after 30 years of service resigned from the force after he refused to go on the street against his neighbours. Also several firefights refused to go on the streets and assist the police and are now facing disciplinary charges. One of them is not even an Orthodox, but a Catholic. This terrible business is uniting the Serbian people in Montenegro (and all other Serbian lands) and are finally breaking any remaining illusions about the current Montenegro state, it's regime and it's plans for completely removing any traces of Serbian identity. This event could in the future be seen as a big turning point for Serbian modern history. Nothing is decided yet of course, but I am more optimistic then ever before.

I leave you with a powerful picture that I think you'll like. It is from the protests in Herceg Novi, a predominantly Serbian city in Boka Kotorska Bay. Popular local priest Drago Pesikan (former multiple champion of Ex-Yugoslavia in karate) eye to eye against the head of the local police force:

[img=480x410]https://scontent.fbeg4-1.fna.fbcdn....d59fc3f05ac5eca29e6d3ca519b&oe=5EA7B8FC[/img]

A quick edit: A photo collage from New Year's eve Paraklesis and Liturgy in several Montenegrin cities:

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Ten thousand people in Litija (holy procession through the city) in Niksic:
 
It's great to see something about this appear in English language. There has been what seems to be a blackout in English language media (or possibly no one really cares about Montenegro, maybe a bit of both).

Still, there are a few important things to be mentioned in this thread but one very important point has been missed (maybe more?).

This attack on the Serbian Orthodox Church in Montenegro was orchestrated by NATO and other higher forces. Milo Djukanovich is just executing the orders of his overlords. The two people most likely behind this are former US-NATO general for all NATO forces in Europe, Ben Hodges, and US Senator Sam Brownback. Why these two guys?

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Ben Hodges


https://emerging-europe.com/voices/a-new-approach-to-serbia-and-kosovo/

There are a lot of things wrong with this article written by Ben Hodges, but the part where he writes, "Moscow often bypasses President Vučić, applying pressure through the clergy", is really the most important part to consider.

If a former or current high-ranking NATO/US official considers the Serbian Orthodox Church to be a threat because of its link to Russia, then it's no surprise that NATO has an interest in stomping on it. After all, Montenegro is in NATO, surprise surprise ...

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Sam Brownback


This guy is a US Senator that was basically the man behind the Ukranian Orthodox Church and Constantinople Patriarchy schism with Russia. He is rather cynically called the "United States Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom since 2018" considering that his achievements have basically been in dividing the Orthodox Christian world into NATO v anti-NATO churches and states for that matter. Dispossessing the Serbian church of its ancient, centuries old and clearly legitimate heritage in Montenegro is simply only the newest of his moves. Btw, this guy also visited Montenegro in early December before Milo Djukanovich decided to implement this law since he had been openly proposing it for the past several years by now.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I think that the well renowned Serbian author Matija Beckovic is correct when he states that, "The people [Serbs of Montenegro] will either defend their church, or they will disappear". We'll see ...
 

Louis IX

Pelican
FilipSRB said:
A little background as I promised:

The geographical area of current Montenegro state has always been inhabited by Serbs, and ruled by different Serbian noble houses during the Middle Ages. In fact, Stefan Nemanja, the fist in the noble house of Nemanjici, the longest ruling dynasty of Serbian people, was born in Podgorica, modern capital of Montenegro. Being a hilly desolate place populated by very tribal and conservative people (and when I say tribal I rally mean that, to this day Montenegrin Serbians identify themselves by the tribe they belong) it did not stay under Ottoman rule as long as Serbia proper did. and were de facto independent from 17th century onwards under the theocratic Petrovic-Njegos dynasty rule (yes, they were bishops of Serbian Orthodox Chruch and secular rulers at the same time). In fact during Ottoman occupation of Serbia, the Serbian Church survived in no small part thanks to Montenegrin independence and the Petrovic dynasty. Significant number of Serbs living in today's Serbian territories can trace their ancestral roots to modern day Montenegro. The work on creating separate Montenegrin identity started of course after WWII when communists came to power in Montenegro and it has been going on ever since.

I joined the protests yesterday in front of the Montenegrin Embassy in Belgrade and I am happy to report that it consisted of mostly Zoomers and Millenials. The beaten Bishop Metodije had to be transported to top Belgrade hospital (Military University Hospital) as they suspect on internal bleeding and inner organ damage. The opposition members of Montenegrin parliament were actually arrested (breaking their immunity) and three leaders of the opposition are still held in custody, and they are now starting a hunger strike. There were scenes of violence in Serbian Parliament as well.

I do not despair, I have faith in God that he will save his flock if we are worthy, but it is gonna be a long and heavy fight that will last years, decades even. This is just the beginning.

In the end I leave you with a photo from yesterday's protest held in town of Foca in Republika Srpska, that will hopefully better illustrate the mentality of Serbs:
81457932_10157456045576628_614112419895050240_o.jpg


Тhe banner are words from "Gorski Vijenac" (The Mountain Wreath) one of the most important and beautiful pieces of Serbian literature, written by none other then Petar II Petrovic-Njegos, the Prince-Bishop of Montenegro during the 19th century.

It says: "Everyone is born to die once, but Honor and Shame live forever!".

Thanks for your report. I am not from Balkans but live in Albania for many years now. They believe Podgorica is there ( in addition to Ulcinj region - and such places like Tuzi etc...).

Maybe 10 years ago , I went with the bus from Podgorica to Zabljak. I don't remember which road it was , but I guess it s still the same. There were plenty of villages with serbian flags only everywhere , is that the only area in majority serb in Montenegro ? Can you shed some light on this , maybe with a map or names of cities/villages. Thank you.

Even though many Montenegrins were happy about independance , I did not feel the local population as "anti-serb" , compared to the obvious ones (Croatia , Albania , Kosovo , probably Bosnia) . I know a couple of people in Montenegro and they did not seem to hold any grudge to Serbs. This leads to the following question : Will this new church be accepted ? I also know many Ukrainians who are very fiercely anti-Russian , but totally rejected this new "Kiev patriarchate".
 

FilipSRB

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I don't know where you got that information, there was a big protest outside the Embassy yesterday organised by Red Star fans, and Montenegro flag was burned, but no talk of bombing either yesterday or this morning.

 

Louis IX

Pelican
IT was a wrong info I apologize , someone told me it s a bomb - since albanian tv was talking about an attack :) I can't edit my previous message
 
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