The God pill

infowarrior1

Crow
Other Christian
Ultimately I cannot judge their experiences and intentions, and it'll be uncharitable for me to just dismiss them as fraudulent just because they're not in communion with my Church.

I can confirm from firsthand experience that there is an uplifting experience, both spiritually and psychologically, when worshipping in the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. For one the incense itself has a therapeutic and calming effect in addition to smelling pleasant:

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But the Divine Liturgy all in all is a peaceful and edifying experience, and I realized that this is how God ought to be worshipped, in contrast to the many Protestant worship services I attended that were just reduced into a larger Sunday routine of going to the mall in the afternoon or treating the church like a social networking club. There is no ego issue in the Orthodox liturgy, unlike in the Protestant "praise and worship" where the band singers and members try to show off their talents, or the pastors spent half an hour making an introduction and showing off their rhetoric skills.

There definitely are Protestant Churches that retain Liturgy and more orthodox doctrine. Although even the more traditional seeming churches are the most heavily subverted like the Episcopal Churches.

You are right. I find what you describe as absolutely distasteful. It always made me uncomfortable and gives me the creeps. Its like drinking corn syrup mixed with grape juice. Whilst Biblical preaching is like Fine Wine.

The Divine Liturgy is very beautiful. But I fear that without the iron curtain of the Soviet Union the assault to hollow out Orthodoxy like the Episcopal Churches have begun. The Greek Orthodox Church is the example that is happening right now.

I think that it goes to show. That God will really go far for many people even if they don't call on the Saints. The Son of God will still show up. And Angels will still attend to his faithful.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Other Christian
Why its recommended to Pray with your Eyes open:
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I notice when I pray with my eyes open. That I treat creation as a form of ikon that allows me to focus on the Sovereign God behind all creation. It trains us to believe that God is in this world and active. Rather than merely within us via the Holy Spirit.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
I pray with my eyes open normally, but close them at church. I figure it's part of being reverent in a public setting. I figure the purpose of doing it is simply to take your mind off the things around you, to focus on God. However, I figure it's optional, like kneeling or holding your hands in the prayer position.

Edit: now that I think about it, I haven't prayed with my hands in prayer position in years, possibly not since I was a small child. I have kneeled, but not often.
 

WesternPilgrim

Pigeon
Protestant
At the moment, my will for a spiritual life is strong, yet I am plagued by doubts. In particular, I feel that maybe all religions are an attempt to transcribe something unknowable to man. I fear that such thoughts are going to hinder my capacity to live an honest Christian life.

Yet I find secular humanism to be lacking as a way of life and ultimately leading to self-indulgence and narcissism.

Also, I find it hard to believe that God would allow children to be killed randomly by car accidents and disease. How can this be part of
his plan? I understand with murder that this is a result of free will. But random death of innocent people? How can he allow this? It makes
me think this God must have a streak of cruelty.
The abhorrent consequences of sin help men see the horror of sin and the radical depravity of mankind, upon which realisation they repent and turn to Christ. When you think about such things, read the ten commandments and the Sermon on the Mount and examine your sins. Realize you have been a rebel all your life. Then appreciate that it is because all men are sinners that we live under God's wrath. It is only when we aim at righteousness and blamelessness that we are stepping out of Satan's system of sin and suffering, to which we have all tacitly consenting by loving sin. As long as we are loving sin, we are contributing to the very thing you are complaining about. God sanctions this system as it is only the result of our own perversion. Mankind cannot be liberated from the consequences of sin without being free of sin itself.

I am also struggling a bit with understanding that the bread is literally the body of Christ (transubtantiation). It might be a limitation in my faith to fully believe this. I can intellectually understand it as symbolic, but it is a leap for me to go beyond this. Could anyone clarify this for me?

Transubstantiation is only one of the views of the literal presence of the body and blood of Christ in the Lord's supper. In any case, let's take first what Christ said.

"Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28


"I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe." John 6:51-63


He says that his flesh is truly food, and is blood is truly drink. And then he gives His disciples bread and wine and says "This is My body" and "This is My blood." What is complicated about that? Eating His flesh and drinking His blood gives eternal life; He says, and the Lord's Supper is His flesh and blood. By saying that His flesh is truly food it is shown that His flesh is truly there in the bread of the Supper, etc. This does not contradict justification by faith, as you must believe that Jesus is God and all the rest that He says about Himself in order to believe that he inhabits the Supper truly.

If is quite interesting that He also says that, if this is hard for you to believe, what about the ressurection and the ascension? If you believe Jesus is risen from the dead and has exited the Cosmos in his glorified body, which now reigns beyond the visible universe, how is it strange to you that His glorified body and blood can inhabit bread and wine at will? So indeed it is a matter of faith.
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But the Divine Liturgy all in all is a peaceful and edifying experience, and I realized that this is how God ought to be worshipped, in contrast to the many Protestant worship services I attended that were just reduced into a larger Sunday routine of going to the mall in the afternoon or treating the church like a social networking club. There is no ego issue in the Orthodox liturgy, unlike in the Protestant "praise and worship" where the band singers and members try to show off their talents, or the pastors spent half an hour making an introduction and showing off their rhetoric skills. otoh the actions and words of the priest or bishop in the Divine Liturgy signify that he is just another tool or servant and that Christ is the real focus of worship.

More often than not, the priest has a script or outline for the sermon, but that actually means that his preaching is concise and straight to the point; I never experienced my attention span running out in comparison to the 90+ minutes of sermons by Evangelical pastors

Evangelicals who see this as an issue but to otherwise are still commited to the sufficiency of Scripture ought to really attend some old school Presbyterian liturgies (you can find many of these in the U.S.) or Confessional Lutheran, particularly those of Scandinavian origin in the latter (there are some of these in the U.S.). As far as I know, all of the Reformed churches of Puritan origin (many in the U.S.) have reverent liturgy, albeit without images.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
"Truther", Hugo Talks, shares his experience of coming to Jesus Christ. HT was referenced by Eric Clapton when Eric was looking for answers during the plandemic, so he's no tiddler.

Being a Bitchute video the comments are diabolical, but it's worth listening just to hear the story of his prayer to Jesus and how Jesus answered and His message regarding the evil events of the past few years being all about Him.

I interpret this as a reference to His second coming, which I've now heard so many times now, from many sources, is imminent. I believe it is. So pray often, and keep close to Jesus and Our Lady/Theotokos through devotion and the Sacraments.

 

Gazza

Woodpecker
Other Christian
I go through periods of time where my relationship with God seems to take a secondary role to the responsibilities of life - something I often feel guilty for. I know how much He has done for me despite not deserving it.
How do we reconcile this divide between living a holy life and also dealing with the day-to-day?
This is a great question, one that also troubles me.
 

BasilSeal

Kingfisher
Trad Catholic
Gold Member
I agree; this is the challenge for us all: to make Christ crucified the lens by which we see the entire world. Somewhere I read that, when you focus your eyes on Christ, everything else looks small. There is no easy answer, though Saint Paul offers advice in his Epistle to the Ephesians (4:17-24)
This, then, is my message to you; I call upon you in the Lord’s name not to live like the Gentiles, who make vain fancies their rule of life.

Their minds are clouded with darkness; the hardness of their hearts breeds in them an ignorance, which estranges them from the divine life;

and so, in despair, they have given themselves up to incontinence, to selfish habits of impurity.

This is not the lesson you have learned in making Christ your study,

if you have really listened to him. If true knowledge is to be found in Jesus, you will have learned in his school

that you must be quit, now, of the old self whose way of life you remember, the self that wasted its aim on false dreams.

There must be a renewal in the inner life of your minds;

you must be clothed in the new self, which is created in God’s image, justified and sanctified through the truth.
 
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Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Here are some things I have done that have helped me. I have had success with these things, and so I think they are the right approach. However, I have struggled with consistency as well, even when I was trying to seek the Lord in my life.

First of all, pray without ceasing. What does this mean? Even a monk can't be down on his knees in active prayer continuously. My understanding is that this refers to an attitude of being in contact with God even when you are doing other things. Like being on the phone with somebody, but just leaving the line open while you do your work. You can't actively talk to them because you are busy, but you are still connected. I'm sure there are other, better explanations of prayer without ceasing, but I think this is a key factor.

Secondly, do your work as unto the lord. You may be doing work for a boss, or work for the family around the house, or even running errands, but you can do your best as if you were doing it for Lord. In fact, you are doing it for the Lord if you approach it this way.

Third, hum Christian music. Get an earworm going of some uplifting song while you are busy with your situation. This helps keep your mind on God when you are otherwise tied down with Earthly problems and tasks.
 
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paternos

Pelican
Catholic
I received the God pill in a Monastery.

I now find it in Holy Mass or other prayer times, being together with others (monks or laymen) in prayer or in mass, to me this is in 90% of the times the solution. Go to Mass, go to rosary prayer, be together with others in prayer, Mass.

It's the act of going there, put God first for an hour together with others, it's not about me, it's about God.

I go often, several times per week, 3/4/5 and that keeps me sane. I'm easily distracted.

And I see the same with others, I normally ask, when did you last go to Mass, when do you pray? It's a simple formula.

A week has 24 * 7 = 148 hours. How many hours do you spend in Church, how much reading the Bible, how much in prayer.

The goal is not to make it 70 but, when it's under 1 / week we are in problems. Then God is 0.6% of your life. I also can't do it alone, I need to be in church with others, pray together with others/ celebrate Mass with others.

What is good about Mass is that I can submit to it, I just go there, and follow whatever I think or feel, that doesn't matter.

It took me long to accept church, as I was a perfectionist. Trying to find the best priest, the best parish. If that keeps you from going or prayer, you are in deep problems. Then it's the devil speaking. (ah this priest isn't good, better wait till Saturday when the other priest is here)

Guess it's different for everyone. But time spent is a good indicator.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Other Christian
I go through periods of time where my relationship with God seems to take a secondary role to the responsibilities of life - something I often feel guilty for. I know how much He has done for me despite not deserving it.
How do we reconcile this divide between living a holy life and also dealing with the day-to-day?

Talk to God about your day. Give thanks for all the good you see to him. Lay problems that are out of your personal control on him. Short prayers are fine and good.

Such habits help you focus on God. And pray with your eyes open when you are looking at natural wonder to train yourself to see God operating behind them active in the world.

I consider nature and it's beauty to be living icons that help my worship.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Other Christian
Here are some things I have done that have helped me. I have had success with these things, and so I think they are the right approach. However, I have struggled with consistency as well, even when I was trying to seek the Lord in my life.

First of all, pray without ceasing. What does this mean? Even a monk can't be down on his knees in active prayer continuously. My understanding is that this refers to an attitude of being in contact with God even when you are doing other things. Like being on the phone with somebody, but just leaving the line open while you do your work. You can't actively talk to them because you are busy, but you are still connected. I'm sure there are other, better explanations of prayer without ceasing, but I think this is a key factor.

Secondly, do your work as unto the lord. You may be doing work for a boss, or work for the family around the house, or even running errands, but you can do your best as if you were doing it for Lord. In fact, you are doing it for the Lord if you approach it this way.

Third, hum Christian music. Get an earworm going of some uplifting song while you are busy with your situation. This helps keep your mind on God when you are otherwise tied down with Earthly problems and tasks.

A good habit is that when you read about bad news beyond your control. Instead of being consumed by said news you immediately lay it on God to deal with in a short prayer in your heart.

And if lets say you can donate to a disaster fund. You do so.

Such events are God's domain anyway. And your prayer will prompt God to action.

Ask and you will receive. Don't ask. Don't receive. Not even the Israelites got their manna and water without prayer first. Often done by Moses when they were supposed to do so themselves.
 

Fuchsia

Pigeon
Protestant
I go through periods of time where my relationship with God seems to take a secondary role to the responsibilities of life - something I often feel guilty for. I know how much He has done for me despite not deserving it.
How do we reconcile this divide between living a holy life and also dealing with the day-to-day?
It's about balance but do what needs to be done first (the day to day) then put God first once you've taken care of the "nitty gritty".
 

Holymanaspen

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
I consider nature and it's beauty to be living icons that help my worship.
Absolutely. I just went for a walk in the park on a sunny Melbourne day, and I practiced averting my eyes from the yoga-pant wearing women, and instead looking at the clear blue sky and the trees. Certainly made me feel better and connected me more to myself.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
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