The God pill

Avoy

 
The "pills" are more gateway steps to understanding human nature and how things really work more than anything else. I've gone through my phases with God. I don't think the two are related. Our relationship is complicated. I learn towards more of there being a "white pill" where one has understood and transcended the nonsense and triviality of life and self (ego).
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
sterling_archer said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
Personally I imagine God as the confluence of all sentience, as such all seeing and all knowing. My wife and I often unthinkingly read each others thoughts without even being in each other's peripheral vision and other members have expressed this telepathic experience. I also experience it in the sense that a person with whom I'm familiar will pop into my thoughts about five seconds before I get a phone call from them.

As such I believe God is in some sense the central nexus of all awareness.
Such experiences as described in quoted paragraph were very frequent in my childhood and puberty and with now becoming a bit rarer. In some periods they were very usual and normal.
Over the years they red pilled me into believing or better said, knowing that non phyiscal phenomena are real and that they hint to something greater than mundane materialistic worldview. I regard this as true red pill.
My initial suspicion is that people who are surrounded in their youth by dark consciousnesses learn to wall themselves off psychically. In essence they switch to "flight mode". Unfortunately this also by default puts up a barrier between them and God.

Later in life they might reach back out on that level but there are real and inherent dangers in doing so. When people are close to you and you've invested in them psychically then it's the equivalent of having everyone on a call blocking list except your chosen few.

On the other hand I know several people who I define as being either knowingly or unknowingly evil. Even to have a simple and seemingly benign conversation with them, sometimes even to think of them, invites the kind of disorder into your mind that one would associate with a virus being broadcast at high intensity.
 
I'm agnostic but had a on and off childhood experience in a christian church. I lean towards there being some higher power however because there are simply too many incredible things that have occurred in the universe to just to just chalk it up to everything being a series of random events.

On the other hand, my logical and skeptical side prevents me from fully embracing faith or religion; despite recognizing the numerous benefits. It's hard for me to accept the religious history that has been passed down and reinterpreted a thousands times is remotely accurate in 2019. I think to myself, "we can't even get the basic facts today with digital recordings and the internet. How can I put overwhelming trust in info from 2000 years ago?"

Throughout life, I have connected better with christians and other spiritual/religious people vs atheists. Like RIslander, I think atheists are generally libtard assholes. This has made dating in the US tough at time though since I hold polarizing opinions that seems to piss off everyone a little bit. I could be a fake but that isn't my style. Non-religious conservative oriented people seems to be a pretty small niche worldwide.

Sometimes, I wish there was some kind of religion that was based in conservative values/ethics but dropped the historical stuff. Recognize a higher power in the universe but kept it broad and general; similar to how LDN described his form of spiritually. Isn't that what some Asian religions sort of preach? I'm not sure honestly; religious stuff is really not my strong suit.

That all said, I hope Roosh and anyone else finds peace with the God pill.
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
Leonard D Neubache said:
On the other hand I know several people who I define as being either knowingly or unknowingly evil. Even to have a simple and seemingly benign conversation with them, sometimes even to think of them, invites the kind of disorder into your mind that one would associate with a virus being broadcast at high intensity.
I know exactly what you mean and I encountered such people a few times. But in my case I would put them into unknowingly evil category. Fun fact, I saw interesting new age term for such people. Organic portal. It tells you everything; they seem to be a portal through which evil emanates, like some kind of a node point in the Matrix.
 

Avoy

 
The one unique thing about living for God, as opposed for oneself, is that you end on a path that helps others. But this is the case for the majority of religions. It also makes decision making easier because you're doing "what's right." Again, for the benefit of others. Which, in turn, actually makes you feel good... like you're doing something positive with your life. But one thing I learned in life: good feelings, good will and gratitude are transitory and often never reciprocated. I think only saintly people are cool with that in the long-term.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
JohnKreese said:
Roosh, I've been in somewhat of a similar transition myself and I am most curious about the regional and demographic considerations that could arise for you.

You mention that you're adopting the Orthodox Church and that you would also like to move back to the US at some point. To what extent do you think it will be difficult leaving areas of the world where the Orthodox Church is most strong and prevalent to where it is a very minor (population wise) denomination (less than 1 million members)?
I'll cross that bridge when I figure out where I want to live.

BeardedMastodon said:
Roosh. What advice do you have to guys like me on this forum who are already God pilled but are continually tempted by wanting to expirence unbridled hedonism when they have not already? A snese that they will be missing out if we don’t?

If you knew what you did now before (20yrs ago) would you try to be A virgin or low notch count and shoot for marriage of a God pilled women?
Get out of the city. There is not much "God" there.

RoastBeefCurtains4Me said:
The Father said:
Ski pro said:
It’s April 1st on Monday. You’re early.
Did he get banned for this, or some other post?
I'm pretty sure it was an insta-ban for this post. Non-believers are often very quick to mock believers about their magical sky daddy or the like, but I really can't see Roosh putting up with that kind of thing on his own forum, and certainly not in this thread, when he said the atheists can start their own thread.

Ski pro chose poorly, which is too bad, because he was a good poster otherwise.
He was banned for attacking me via PM after receiving a warning.
 
I’m not religious - too much German philosophy at a young age - but Roosh your path reminds me a lot of Saint Augustine. If you haven’t read him, I give his work Confessions a very strong recommend.
 
I think religion is an expression of your genetics.

Like the Aztecs wanted to carve people up, now look at mexico. Or mongolian gengis kahn was a violent conqueror, and slavic russia is the most violent white country as they are mixed with central Asian groups.

I see white christians expressing their desires on so many other groups who couldnt care less. Even the white libtards have an altruistic pathology, even if it's twisted.
I think empathy is genetic. Christianity is an expression of this trait that helped cold climate nordics survive together. Applied to outward groups, is resulting in their own annihilation.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Disco_Volante said:
I think religion is an expression of your genetics.

Like the Aztecs wanted to carve people up, now look at mexico. Or mongolian gengis kahn was a violent conqueror, and slavic russia is the most violent white country as they are mixed with central Asian groups.

I see white christians expressing their desires on so many other groups who couldnt care less. Even the white libtards have an altruistic pathology, even if it's twisted. I think empathy is genetic. Christianity is an expression of this trait that helped cold climate nordics survive.
Maybe different antennae point in different directions.

That's a dark thought.
 

questor70

Ostrich
RIslander said:
Roosh has taken the black pill. And I think he is taking the only path that can solve his problem. Religious faith.
I don't think reglion (i.e. organized religion) is the only way to solve black-pill.
What gives life meaning, IMHO, is a sense of purpose and to find transcendance.

Most of life is about banalities. Humans are social creatures and so much of our effort goes towards elevating our social standing among our tribe. Dealing with women brings that into stark relief, as we have to usually demonstrate status like a peacock to get them interested. But all of this shit is banality in the sense that it services instinctive impulses that go back millions of years. We're smart enough to realize how banal all this is and yet we feel compelled to play out this script regardless. You've got no choice other than to make peace with it but it can feel like imprisonment.

The search for meaning comes in trying to look beyond that. That's the transcendant.

Where people find that is a personal thing. What's sacred to one person isn't to another. I find transcendance in art and in "flow-state" that I find while being creative or having good sex. That's my thing. If others find that through religion, fine, but it's about that feeling of getting elevated beyond the norm, the butterfly in the chest, the hair standing on your back, a natural high.
 

Glaucon

Ostrich
Gold Member
Disco_Volante said:
I think religion is an expression of your genetics.

Like the Aztecs wanted to carve people up, now look at mexico. Or mongolian gengis kahn was a violent conqueror, and slavic russia is the most violent white country as they are mixed with central Asian groups.

I see white christians expressing their desires on so many other groups who couldnt care less. Even the white libtards have an altruistic pathology, even if it's twisted.
I think empathy is genetic. Christianity is an expression of this trait that helped cold climate nordics survive. Applied to outward groups, is resulting in their own annihilation.
I do not think current libtards have anything to do with Christianity. They are closer to Satan than God in my opinion.

The current Christian church is a broken, hollow of its former self.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
I have been having similar thoughts about God but without the use of drugs. For me it too is about this senseless destruction and evil pervading through the world and the last few years has cemented that feeling.

My problem with being religious is that it has been hijacked by the masses as some form of crux or excuse when its just human weakness. The worse of it is Christianity and Islam being used as a weapon against Western civilisation.

I just couldn't attribute myself to those types but would quietly be Christian. Perhaps a vanguard of sorts against their evil and destructiveness.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
Of those people I know who have left the mainstream they have ended up calling themselves cultural Christians. And this is in Britain, where being a Christian is a subject of ridicule. But there is little direction for this. We're essentially at the beginning of this trend in a landscape that has been hollowed out by the likes of The Church of England, and Rome.

For me there has been a pulling force for a few years, particularly as I've now realised the best marriage options are from a background that is more than nominally religious. An issue is I don't believe in theology, just the culture.

Looking at civilisations it's apparent that there are two facets that civilisations need to survive.

One is regulation of sex that over generations changes the gene pool, which in term acts as a feedback loop with society. Society and genes are a considerable extent the same thing. The issue is that process has gone too far and we're going to have a pull back. This also calms society by giving most men a place, staving off incel rebellions.

The other is a religion where everyone subscribed to rules that they believe are divine and can't be tampered with by man. Humans won't follow the rules of a leader after they're dead. Other leaders come in with new rules. We are seeing this today in the largely Godless societies the laws have changed dramatically since the world wars. The increasingly further left are going towards the complete deconstruction of any structure they associate with Christianity onwards.

If you deconstruct social structures you don't get an empty milieu of freedom as these people would think. You end up getting society breaking down into ever smaller units that can't cooperate with each other. You see this with the new tranny vs. 3rd wave feminists and black, queer feminist vs. cis-white feminist battles. Their progressiveism is the creation of ever more groups who can't even communicate. None of the structures those people are trying to set up under the guise of deconstructing bigotry will be around for long.

The role religion has played is to put people within structures that are able to survive across centuries, which is owing to the fact the structure is divine, rather than man-made. There is a special place in peoples' minds that places the divine over what man can do. And it's only from the inter-generational stability this provided that we have had any civilizations at all.

If you read descriptions of pagan societies from classical civilisations, beyond them being terrible places to live, you will find that by going to the next village you'd find a similar but radically different religion. These people were at constant war with each other over their differences. The left insists chopping us back down to having radical differences is the future. But in the lack of cohesive structure and animosity they will create, something else will end up stepping into the void they create.

Britain ended up in a similar place we are now at the beginning of the 19th century. On the back of the agricultural revolution, people's lives became easier and morals became very loose. The church ebbed, welfare spending increased 800%, illegitimacy increased 500%. If you thought that these 'virgins' auctioning off their 'virginity' was something new, they were at that in the 1700s. The social fabric was damaged to the extent that society had to go very conservative in response: the rise of religion – particularly more conservative forms, temperance, workhouses and the promotion of etiquette in regards to women.

We're at the same stage again, where rampant liberalism has hollowed out society to the point it is falling apart. But we've never seen this level of degeneracy before. Gender under abolition, the nation state under abolition, marriage until death essentially dead, tweens watching a never ending conveyor belt of dildo-clad popstars twerking on stage and telling their fans to get sugar daddies and be strippers, the veneration of narcissistic botox whores who live in a valley of pedoes who raped them…

These are the kind of things you need structures in place to stop and a society that can maintain itself across generations is not possible in this environment.

So back to the main topic – Christianity and its slowly bubbling resurgence into consciousness against the current backdrop. You have the red pill, which is essentially the same as Peterson's “clean your room”. Become a competent individual - find out how to get things you want. But this doesn't fulfill all of healthy human desire. Liberalism gives you a whole host of things you can belong to: a fan of a vapid boy band, a registered member of some wank site, a member of a corrupt political party, a sunlight starved gaming clan… These provide something people can belong to. But in liberalism we are increasingly belonging to tiny little shards. In the case of some of those examples, they will not last our life time and will be forgotten. This is not to say those groups should not exist, but if all your belong to is PornHub, you are seriously lacking in fulfilling your needs.

Christianity provides the environment for you to fulfill this aspect of yourself. It's existed for longer than almost anything else you can touch, most of your ancestors were in it for over a thousand years; and it provides the structure that your descendants will need to go on living into the future. And there's not much more you could belong to than the creative force of everything.

We can already see the lineage of people who have low levels of structure and meaning (leftists) have decreasing birth-rates. Increasingly the meaning of their existence is that they should be the end of their family line. Any meaning they do have is limited to a very short time-frame and prone to radical change. While they move towards everything that cannot sustain their own microscopic, self-collapsing universe, we are moving more towards what will sustain an environment we would like ourselves and our descendants to live in.

You can see this dynamic in the increasing traffic of people leaving leftist areas in the US: IL, CA and NY in particular. The environments they have created are not permissible for healthy family life or a self-sustaining society. The people who live there belong to little of any importance, most of which will be gone in a few decades in an society that is doomed to failure. They've somehow managed to mix the worst of high taxes to pay for socially destructive and irresponsible projects with a shrinking area in which people can even afford to try and have a family.

Shelf life:

Communism - 70 years
Social democracy - I give it a few more decades
Christianity: ~2000 years

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ilostabet

Pelican
It's hard not to see the hand of Providence in your journey Roosh.

Before I was banned from twitter, I had a few discussions with trad types about your conversion, which everyone started noticing, some time in the last 2 years. They were doubters, but I believed it was inevitable since I watched your 'Red Pill Schism' video. Your face had changed. Something was broken, and something new was building. You called it Neomasculinity, but it was much bigger than a political or cultural movement.

Since that video I have believed that God was working through you, as he had worked through so many flawed men in the past, to become great and elevate others with them. History is full of people who did many bad things, so much worse than simple hedonism, and through trials and tribulations and by grace and prayer became great soldiers of God.

The biggest lie out there is that nothing good comes from suffering, when no spiritual growth can ever be achieved without it. We are spiritually stunted. We have unlearned the most basic truths about life because of it. Only in a world like this could something like 'cafeteria churchianity' even exist. Our Lord had to suffer tremendous physical and mental abuse and die so that we could be saved.

I would much rather learn from a man who was tried and failed before he succeeded, than one who has never been tried at all. We all witnessed your trials, because you shared them with us, and hopefully learned from them. And we're here to witness the last stage, and for that I am grateful.

This thread made my day.
 

Hypno

Crow
Roosh or others, did you ever try to reconcile fornication with faith. I mean, Solomon had 600 wives. Would be interested in anyone's views who has given this serious thought.

I'm coming at this from the opposite perspective. I was a church goer, made a serious attempt down that path for 40+ years and am increasingly leaving the path that you seem to be embarking on. I hope each of you find what you are looking for. I thought I had but in retrospect I think I was indulging in magical thinking.

I would echo the point that black pill is nihilism, not an evolution or improvement upon receipt pill. And by extension I don't think the god pill is a linear expansion on black pill just a different truth or world view.

Finally, I have read a little about UFOs and aliens. There is a view that aliens are multidemensional beings capable of telepethy, etc. God-like. I mention this not to diminish the existence of God but rather to note that eople who have experienced these beings say the beings have told them it all boils down to love (Jesus' teaching).
 
The black pill:

“Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both. This, gentlemen, is the essence of all philosophy.

The quote from Kirkegaard, who eventually concluded that the last stage in life and enlightenment was the leap of faith into the unknown, the rejection of the need to know. Ultimately a rejection of philosophy.

Also, too bad for Ski Pro, he was a good poster.
 

Avoy

 
Now I'm curious how Roosh is going to define the God pill. Part of me doesn't want to know. The other part is curious how he's going to portray and justify it for mass consumption. Something like this is better done in private IMHO as one figures it out for himself. This also leaves room to reconsider or take different paths after some time. Or he can take the Jesse Lee Peterson approach and take up the cross and preach the message -- and be strict with what's right and wrong in God's eyes when giving men (people?) advice. Personally, I was hoping Roosh would return to guy stuff after Lady. The masculinity angle was always interesting to me, as modern society has a lack of it.
 
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